Good news for all messengers.:)
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Peace
Non of the females you mentioned above were given Messages from God (Book) to deliver to here people.Any body who convay God's Messages (existed ones) to the People are considered "Shohadaa" .
Please note the different ranks of the Choosen People (4-69)
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Females, according to God, were never given a Book, as Moses, Abraham, Jesus, and Mohamed. And the reason is, as I stated before, due to the difficulties of such a mission.
If a Female choose to confront and deliver God's Words (exited books), then She will be rewarded by God; can you call her a Messanger of God because she is delivering God's Message? I do not know;
but as I said before, in a different thread, We can not disobey God's Messangers, and therefore, People will follow Messangers of God without questioning. And for this reason, I will not call them the messangers of God.Peace
Assalaam Alaikum
The Quran is NOT a 'history' or philosophy book....
Its admonition and guidance for all humanity.....
Your patriarchal interpretation of the Quran is irrelevant.
Maryam, as was given the kalam of Allah and Allah states her 'model' is an 'example' for all humanity.
Secondly, Saba / Sheba was given the kitab from Sulaiman,as and conveyed that guidance to her people, and as such Allah blessed them.
Allah chooses messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
Read Your Quran!!!
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Assalaam Alaikum
The Quran is NOT a 'history' or philosophy book....
Its admonition and guidance for all humanity.....
Your patriarchal interpretation of the Quran is irrelevant.
Maryam, as was given the kalam of Allah and Allah states her 'model' is an 'example' for all humanity.
Mariam were given The word of Allah--Jesus--and not the Bible
Secondly, Saba / Sheba was given the kitab from Sulaiman,as and conveyed that guidance to her people, and as such Allah blessed them.
Sheba was a powerful Queen and were given the Torah of Moses to spread between Here People. Two things to pay attention to a)she was the QUEEN, b) she did not recieve a book from God.
Allah chooses messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
True
Read Your Quran!!!
I will.
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Salaam Belalhammad,
Which Muslim men are you talking about? Do you really see many who are men enough or Muslim enough to fall in this category?
Just five persons contributed to the thread about the plight of a Muslim woman unjustly held in US prison,
It does not matter if the woman is a sunni or not; she is a Muslim and it is the duty of Rajal/foot of authority (men) to do something for her but never mind about doing something, even on the thread below not much interest was generated by the ones who consider themselves "qawm" of women. (
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596881.45
Whereas last week Edip was arrested and many swiftly reacted to that news even though he is just a political prisoner and has in no way suffered like Dr Aafia Siddiqui. This shows the sad state of the s.c. "qawwamoon". '(
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597353.0
peaceSalam Farida
I do not kow the story of the Suni Woman; but, I know that in the USA, people recieve Justice more than any place in the World (including Islamic contries).
Now; you cann't generalize a statment about all Man, otherwise, I will consider it Discrimination D
May Good Bless you.
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Salam Farida
I do not kow the story of the Suni Woman; but, I know that in the USA, people will recieve Justice more than any place in the World (including Islamic contries).
Now; you cann't generalize a statment about all Man, otherwise, I will consider it Discrimination D
May Good Bless you.
PeaceSalaam Belalhammad
I hope Dr Aafia Siddiqui who is currently held in the USA prison would recieve Justice more than any place in the World I am waiting to see it happen.
I hope you will take time to read about her plight, you can read all about her in the link I have given, then share with us what you think is the duty of Rijal/men in such situation since they are the one who are Qwan over women which should include all women. &
peace
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Salaam Belalhammad
I hope Dr Aafia Siddiqui who is currently held in the USA prison would recieve Justice more than any place in the World I am waiting to see it happen.
I hope you will take time to read about her plight, you can read all about her in the link I have given, then share with us what you think is the duty of Rijal/men in such situation since they are the one who are Qwan over women which should include all women. &
peace
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizA6bhybrc&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeDZcNBAA_s&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq4PFnl1S6Q&feature=related
I still see that the Women is more safe in the US than any other Moslem Country (she is a very well educated American who know the Aemrican system very well); the only thing we can do for her is to ask God to set her free if she is not Guilty.
Frida, are you sure that this woman did not committ the crimes that she is being charged with? After I read the thread, I could not find any thing to prove her innocence.
Peace
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Salam
Well I briefly read the replies out here..
Hmm can a woman be really a messenger?? If ya..we have Mary(Maryam) certainly..
But why we never had a woman Prophet though??I know that Allah knows best..But its a question that I really wish to have an answer to..
anyway..I know that my topic is quite irrelevant here..but I cudnt help asking this Question..
Fee Amanillah -
Mariam were given The word of Allah--Jesus--and not the Bible
Sheba was a powerful Queen and were given the Torah of Moses to spread between Here People. Two things to pay attention to a)she was the QUEEN, b) she did not recieve a book from God.
True
I will.
Who mentioned 'Bible'?
Saba / Sheba was NOT given any Torah, what are you talking about?
"Go you, with this letter of mine, and deliver it to them. then draw back from them, and (wait to) see what answer they return"...
Ithhab bikitabee hatha faalqih ilayhim thumma tawalla AAanhum faonthur matha yarjiAAoona
(The queen) said. "You chiefs! here is delivered to me - a letter worthy of respect.
Qalat ya ayyuha almalao innee olqiya ilayya kitabun kareemun
"It is from Solomon, and is (as follows). 'In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Read Your Quran!
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Salam
Well usually when I take examples of Queen Sheba..as being a woman who achieved..the traditionalists that I talk to says that she gave up Reigning when she took the Shahadah..I really wanted to confirm that..
Did she really quit reigning and made Solomon carry on the governing?/
Please help me find an answer to refute..
I cant find the answer to this -X -
Salam
Well usually when I take examples of Queen Sheba..as being a woman who achieved..the traditionalists that I talk to says that she gave up Reigning when she took the Shahadah..I really wanted to confirm that..
Did she really quit reigning and made Solomon carry on the governing?/
Please help me find an answer to refute..
I cant find the answer to this -XAssalaam Aalaikum
Saba / Sheba was alraedy blessed and worshiped Allah BEFORE meeting Sulaiman / Solomon
"I found (there) a WOMAN RULING OVER THEM and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.
And so, as soon as she arrived, she was asked ?Is thy throne like this?? She answered ?It is as though it were the same!? And Solomon said to his nobles ?She has arrived at the truth without any help from us, although it is we who have been given knowledge before her, and have surrendered ourselves unto Allah!
There was, for Saba, aforetime, a Sign in their home-land - two Gardens to the right and to the left. "Eat of the Sustenance (provided) by your Lord, and be grateful to Him. a territory fair and happy, and a Lord Oft-Forgiving!
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizA6bhybrc&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeDZcNBAA_s&feature=related
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq4PFnl1S6Q&feature=related
Frida, are you sure that this woman did not committ the crimes that she is being charged with?
PeaceSalaam Belalhammad,
Yes brother I am sure this woman did not commit the crimes that she is being accused of. Once her father too had faith in the US system, which is why she was sent abroad to study, but they had no idea how awful ?civilized? countries could be. You can read her story on the link below
http//www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/whos_afraid_of_aafia_siddiqui/.After I read the thread, I could not find any thing to prove her innocence.
I am truly saddened by your response; are you proposing that a highly educated woman, the mother of three, the youngest of which was but a few months old, was involved in terrorist activities? I can?t believe you concluded that she is guilty simply after reading the thread.. Where did you see her guilt when she has not been even tried in a court of law. Nothing has been proven and what about her children? Two are missing so far, and her girl; did you stop to think where that little girl is now? After all you are supposed to be of the qawamoon.
I still see that the Women is more safe in the US than any other Moslem Country (she is a very well educated American who know the Aemrican system very well); the only thing we can do for her is to ask God to set her free if she is not Guilty.
In this day and age a Muslim woman, never mind Muslim, a woman is suffering humiliation and all we can do is pray...well since it?s the Rijal who are the Qawmoon I guess they should pray then and duty done, whilst Pakistani and American women are the prominent ones campaigning about her plight ... how lame are today?s Rijal.
Please brother no offence to you but you said earlier that I made a generalized statement about men, but sadly your response, so far, has not convinced me otherwise. Today it?s women who have to play the part of Rijal and Qawamoon too .
6165 He is the One who made you inheritors of the earth, and He raised some of you above others in rank, in order to test you in accordance with what He has given you. Surely, your Lord is efficient in enforcing retribution, and He is Forgiver, Most Merciful.peace
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Salam all
Who mentioned 'Bible'?
Saba / Sheba was NOT given any Torah, what are you talking about?
"Go you, with this letter of mine, and deliver it to them. then draw back from them, and (wait to) see what answer they return"...
Ithhab bikitabee hatha faalqih ilayhim thumma tawalla AAanhum faonthur matha yarjiAAoona
(The queen) said. "You chiefs! here is delivered to me - a letter worthy of respect.
Qalat ya ayyuha almalao innee olqiya ilayya kitabun kareemun
"It is from Solomon, and is (as follows). 'In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Read Your Quran!
Complete reading the verses
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" `Be ye not arrogant against me, but come to me in submission (to the true Religion.)' " (31)The Ketab is the Letter that the Bird carried, in which Solmon told them to surround themself to him. As you know Sheba and her People were Sun Worshippers yes
After she went to Solmon, she became Moslem. Then She went back to teach here people the Torah (the Book of God at the time of Solmon) yes
!Assalaam Aalaikum
Saba / Sheba was alraedy blessed and worshiped Allah BEFORE meeting Sulaiman / Solomon
"I found (there) a WOMAN RULING OVER THEM and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.o nope
Are you reading from the same Quran I'm reading from( ( (
But the Hoopoe tarried not far he said I have compassed which thou hast not compassed, and I have come to thee from Saba with tidings true. (22) "I found a woman ruling over them and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne. (23) "I found her and her people worshipping the sun besides Allah Satan has made their deeds seem pleasing in their eyes, and has kept them away from the Path so they receive no guidance (24)
And so, as soon as she arrived, she was asked Is thy throne like this? She answered It is as though it were the same! And Solomon said to his nobles She has arrived at the truth without any help from us, although it is we who have been given knowledge before her, and have surrendered ourselves unto Allah!
Complete the verses brickwall
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And he diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah for she was from a trib (kAFFREEN) that had no faith. (27-43)She Was a Sun Worshipper .
Why do I have to spend so much time looking after what you write; please be advised to not mislead people.
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belalhammad
You seem to be off point. The relevance of the ayahs is that Saba / Sheba was blessed by Allah,swt PRIOR to the 'bird'....
"I found (there) a WOMAN RULING OVER THEM and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.
Irrespective of whether they were worshiping the 'Sun' or NOT Allah,swt blesses whom Allah pleases.....
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, SHALL HAVE THEIR REWARD with their Lord; ON THEM SHALL BE NO FEAR, nor shall they grieve.
Thus have We sent down Clear Signs; and verily Allah guides whom Allah wills!
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment. for Allah is witness of all things.
Which is confirmed in the following.....
There was, for Saba, aforetime, a Sign in their home-land - two Gardens / Jannatani to the right and to the left. "Eat of the Sustenance (provided) by your Lord, and be grateful to Him. a territory fair and happy, and a Lord Oft-Forgiving!
Between them and the Cities on which We had poured our blessings / jaAAalna baynahum wa bayna al-qura allatee barakna , We had placed Cities in prominent positions, and between them We had appointed stages of journey in due proportion. "Travel therein, secure, by night and by day."
But they said. "Our Lord! Place longer distances between our journey-stages". but they wronged themselves (therein). At length We made them as a Hadeeth (that is told), and We dispersed them all in scattered fragments. Verily in this are Signs for every (soul that is) patiently constant and grateful.
Read Your Quran
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Salaam Belalhammad,
Yes brother I am sure this woman did not commit the crimes that she is being accused of. Once her father too had faith in the US system, which is why she was sent abroad to study, but they had no idea how awful ?civilized? countries could be. You can read her story on the link below
http//www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/whos_afraid_of_aafia_siddiqui/.I am truly saddened by your response; are you proposing that a highly educated woman, the mother of three, the youngest of which was but a few months old, was involved in terrorist activities? I can?t believe you concluded that she is guilty simply after reading the thread.. Where did you see her guilt when she has not been even tried in a court of law. Nothing has been proven and what about her children? Two are missing so far, and her girl; did you stop to think where that little girl is now? After all you are supposed to be of the qawamoon. In this day and age a Muslim woman, never mind Muslim, a woman is suffering humiliation and all we can do is pray...well since it?s the Rijal who are the Qawmoon I guess they should pray then and duty done, whilst Pakistani and American women are the prominent ones campaigning about her plight ... how lame are today?s Rijal.
Please brother no offence to you but you said earlier that I made a generalized statement about men, but sadly your response, so far, has not convinced me otherwise. Today it?s women who have to play the part of Rijal and Qawamoon too .
6165 He is the One who made you inheritors of the earth, and He raised some of you above others in rank, in order to test you in accordance with what He has given you. Surely, your Lord is efficient in enforcing retribution, and He is Forgiver, Most Merciful.peace
The two arestill under us custody in afghanistan with more then 50pakistani childrens. (
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belalhammad
You seem to be off point. The relevance of the ayahs is that Saba / Sheba was blessed by Allah,swt PRIOR to the 'bird'....
Peace all
"I found her and her people worshipping the sun besides Allah Satan has made their deeds seem pleasing in their eyes, and has kept them away from the Path so they receive no guidance (24)
Is Satan made worshiping the Sun Pleasing in your Eyes...as well
Read The following and think about hard
And he diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah for she was among a trib of kAFFREEN(27-43)
Reading the Quran without understanding is what you are doing; I hope you are ot advicing me to do so when saying "Read your Quran" ;D
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Peace all
"I found her and her people worshipping the sun besides Allah Satan has made their deeds seem pleasing in their eyes, and has kept them away from the Path so they receive no guidance (24)
Is Satan made worshiping the Sun Pleasing in your Eyes...as well
Read The following and think about hard
And he diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah for she was among a trib of kAFFREEN(27-43)
Reading the Quran without understanding is what you are doing; I hope you are ot advicing me to do so when saying "Read your Quran" ;D
Take it easy brother she may have a different quran ;D
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The statement that Saba / Sheba is worshiping the Sun and Shaitan is making alluring her blessings is a 'hearsay' statement from the 'Bird' NOT from Allah,swt
If you read in the initial ayahs leading up to Saba and Sulaiman's meeting, you will find Sulaiman's mistrust of the 'Bird'
And he took a muster of the Birds; and he said. "Why is it I see not the Hoopoe? Or is he among the absentees?
"I will certainly punish him with a severe penalty, or execute him, unless he bring me a clear reason (for absence)."
Sulaiman's motivation is to determine whether the 'Bird' is lying upon the character of Saba
(Solomon) said. "Soon shall we see whether you have told the truth or lied!
Obviously, the 'Bird' has trust 'issues' with Sulaiman, as hearsay is NOT admissible as evidence and slandering is mentioned in the Quran as a grievous sin.
Thus I dont know why your so 'stuck' on what the 'Bird' stated. Sulaiman,as mistrusted the 'Bird', so why should you trust the statement of the 'Bird'?
When ultimately Saba accepted Sulaiman's invitation to guidance WITHOUT Sulaiman's intervention!
And so, as soon as she arrived, she was asked ?Is thy throne like this?? She answered ?It is as though it were the same!? And Solomon said to his nobles ?She has arrived at the truth without any help from us, although it is we who have been given knowledge before her, and have surrendered ourselves unto Allah!
And he diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah. She had descended from a people who rejected and denied the truth.
Wasaddaha ma kanat taAAbudu min dooni Allahi innaha kanat min qawmin kafireena
The highlighted references above denote past tense references.
- Allah,swt guided Saba to the truth and blessed her people, obviously PRIOR to meeting Sulaiman,as (past tense)
- She descended from a people who, at some point in the past rejected and covered the truth
Even the Messenger of Allah's people rejected the guidance. Allah,swt still blessed the Messenger and his people!
Example
And the Messenger will say, ?O my Lord! Surely, my people / inna qawmee took this AL-QURAN and abandoned it.
(Allah has knowledge) of the (Messenger?s) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!"
Whatever good, happens to you, is from Allah
The 'Bird' was truthful regarding Saba's 'blessings'
"I found (there) a WOMAN RULING OVER THEM and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.
There was, for Saba, aforetime, a Sign in their home-land - two Gardens to the right and to the left. "Eat of the Sustenance (provided) by your Lord, and be grateful to Him. a territory fair and happy, and a Lord Oft-Forgiving!
Allah,swt guided Saba NOT shaitan
NO SOUL CAN BELIEVE, EXCEPT BY THE WILL OF ALLAH, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.
An-Naml 27.44] ... She said. "O my Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul. I do (now) submit (in Islam), with Solomon, to the Lord of the Worlds."
Read Your Quran
By the way pasting in 24 font size text is NOT required.
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Now the obvious question now that we have confirmed that Saba
- Was blessed and guided by Allah
- She accepted Islam
- She was given and accepted Al-Kitab from Sulaiman,as
What is the problem?
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The statement that Saba / Sheba is worshiping the Sun and Shaitan is making alluring her blessings is a 'hearsay' statement from the 'Bird' NOT from Allah,swt
If you read in the initial ayahs leading up to Saba and Sulaiman's meeting, you will find Sulaiman's mistrust of the 'Bird'
And he took a muster of the Birds; and he said. "Why is it I see not the Hoopoe? Or is he among the absentees?
"I will certainly punish him with a severe penalty, or execute him, unless he bring me a clear reason (for absence)."
Sulaiman's motivation is to determine whether the 'Bird' is lying upon the character of Saba
(Solomon) said. "Soon shall we see whether you have told the truth or lied!
Obviously, the 'Bird' has trust 'issues' with Sulaiman, as hearsay is NOT admissible as evidence and slandering is mentioned in the Quran as a grievous sin.
Thus I dont know why your so 'stuck' on what the 'Bird' stated. Sulaiman,as mistrusted the 'Bird', so why should you trust the statement of the 'Bird'?
When ultimately Saba accepted Sulaiman's invitation to guidance WITHOUT Sulaiman's intervention!
And so, as soon as she arrived, she was asked ?Is thy throne like this?? She answered ?It is as though it were the same!? And Solomon said to his nobles ?She has arrived at the truth without any help from us, although it is we who have been given knowledge before her, and have surrendered ourselves unto Allah!
And he diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah. She had descended from a people who rejected and denied the truth.
Wasaddaha ma kanat taAAbudu min dooni Allahi innaha kanat min qawmin kafireena
The highlighted references above denote past tense references.
- Allah,swt guided Saba to the truth and blessed her people, obviously PRIOR to meeting Sulaiman,as (past tense)
- She descended from a people who, at some point in the past rejected and covered the truth
Even the Messenger of Allah's people rejected the guidance. Allah,swt still blessed the Messenger and his people!
Example
And the Messenger will say, ?O my Lord! Surely, my people / inna qawmee took this AL-QURAN and abandoned it.
(Allah has knowledge) of the (Messenger?s) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!"
Whatever good, happens to you, is from Allah
The 'Bird' was truthful regarding Saba's 'blessings'
"I found (there) a WOMAN RULING OVER THEM and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.
There was, for Saba, aforetime, a Sign in their home-land - two Gardens to the right and to the left. "Eat of the Sustenance (provided) by your Lord, and be grateful to Him. a territory fair and happy, and a Lord Oft-Forgiving!
Allah,swt guided Saba NOT shaitan
NO SOUL CAN BELIEVE, EXCEPT BY THE WILL OF ALLAH, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.
An-Naml 27.44] ... She said. "O my Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul. I do (now) submit (in Islam), with Solomon, to the Lord of the Worlds."
Read Your Quran
By the way pasting in 24 font size text is NOT required.
What about 2743 & 44
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An-Naml 27.44] ... She said. "O my Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul. I do (now) submit (in Islam), with Solomon, to the Lord of the Worlds."
Read Your Quran
hypno did I read my Quran right confused
Does the verse says that she was not a sbmitter before meeting Solmon?[
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hypno did I read my Quran right confused
Does the verse says that she was not a sbmitter before meeting Solmon?[
Peace,
Why else she said she has wronged her soul?
Maria