Women are more independant,(e.g career,education) in the society.
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Peace,
Respectfully.I didn't vote because there needs to be added some more options.
However, i believe that men and women are equal according to The Quran and that a woman can do anything that na man can do and i also believe, know and hope that women will finally take charge and march out from the shade of the male and make her print.God willing.
Glory be to our God.
Peace.I agree with you but i believe the environment in the work places is not women oriented and they are always harassed by their male co workers and bosses and the men on street. First of all they should be given full protection from such beasts and there should be no restriction on them if they want to work on their free well or of their need.
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Well Brother..Frankly am gonna get married soon Inshah Allah..and that guy is a pure TRADITIONALIST..He even wanted me to be in niqab and stay home and all.
I believe it depends upon the capacity of the woman..For instance, if I stay home,am sure I'll become crazy..
Its about achieving my own potential and contributing to society..
Personally..I like the way I am,independant..My dad has got an awesome lot of money..and I have just started working..But my mum..she prefer to ask me money instead of my dad..I wanted to know why..but she said she just dont feel at ease to ask my dad money..even for the most trivial issues at home..
I am sure if 1 day I have kids..I WILL NEVER NEGLECT THEM coz of career..And I pray that Allah give me the strength to cope with my duties Inshah Allah..Peace sister,
Why you will get married with a traditionalist?
You seems to be so free-minded and longing for something good in your life.
Beware that he perhaps will put you down and when you rebellion him it will be problems and fight in your life.
I was married with a sunni traditional during nearly 16 years so i know what I'm talking about.Take care sis,
Maria
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I agree with you but i believe the environment in the work places is not women oriented and they are always harassed by their male co workers and bosses and the men on street. First of all they should be given full protection from such beasts and there should be no restriction on them if they want to work on their free well or of their need.
Why do women keep asking to be treated equal but at the same time complain about not getting special treatment?
I mean thats how it is among the men. We harass each other especially those who wont fight back such as wimpy guys. We are wild, and we know that we need to fight for ourselves in order to survive. So if women wanna be treated equal as men then welcome and be a 'man' so to speak. Stop being a 'woman' in work places and learn to fight for yourselves. Somebody harasses you? Dont just cry. Show him/her the big stick and trust me it will stop. If you cant do that, please just stay home. Mkay? ;D
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Why do women keep asking to be treated equal but at the same time complain about not getting special treatment? )
I mean thats how it is among the men. We harass each other especially those who wont fight back such as wimpy guys. We are wild, and we know that we need to fight for ourselves in order to survive. So if women wanna be treated equal as men then welcome and be a 'man' so to speak. Stop being a 'woman' in work places and learn to fight for yourselves. Somebody harasses you? Dont just cry. Show him/her the big stick and trust me it will stop. If you cant do that, please just stay home. Mkay? ;D
Peace,
I really agree with you on this, we women have to show what we are capable of, Get to work!!!
Maria
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These last messages are the kind of thing that have led me long time ago to think that women's liberation was done the wrong way. It was not right to try to make women equal to men. There ws nothing wrong with women. It was men who should have been made equal to women. But we are prisonners of the myth that men are right, perfect and it is women who need repair. So now we live in a "competitive" world, a show off world, nd we are better off because materially we are better off, but if it wasn't for the material comforts in fact I do not think that socially we are a damned millimiter more socially and companionably oriented than before.
I would propound more social qualities at work at home, everywhere, which might result also in making work and home less incompatible pleaces and more homely for real human beings and not worriless men and superwomen, which can carry their usual traditional burden and the burden of being like men besides. The men should have taken on some worries and and women shaken off some of the traditional burden and be free for something less burdening. The material comforts we have attained could have made that very feasible, but no. Men have always been right. There has never been anything wrong with them and their personality and position are ideal and worth emulating. We are "malists" to the core and think we ar eprogressing. What a pity.
When I say men and malists, of course I am not referring to thousands of years of history but just immediately previous history. Because going backwards there are too many econocmic, physiological and social questions which should be the subject of much wider and deeper analysis than the spontaneous ranting I am putting here where I see where the lead of maliness is leading us.
Salaam
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Wassalam..
frankly its one of the best answers i were least expecting to have.
Maybe liberation were really done in a wrong way Brother but..am sorry I have to blame the traditionalists for this to occur..In my country, the imaams are still criticising women that drive,work in KHUTBAHS..
I have stopped attending them anyway..and I dunno why they always criticise women and use stupid hadith to justify their acts..and also they say most women will be in hell..thanks
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These last messages are the kind of thing that have led me long time ago to think that women's liberation was done the wrong way. It was not right to try to make women equal to men. There ws nothing wrong with women. It was men who should have been made equal to women. But we are prisonners of the myth that men are right, perfect and it is women who need repair. So now we live in a "competitive" world, a show off world, nd we are better off because materially we are better off, but if it wasn't for the material comforts in fact I do not think that socially we are a damned millimiter more socially and companionably oriented than before.
I would propound more social qualities at work at home, everywhere, which might result also in making work and home less incompatible pleaces and more homely for real human beings and not worriless men and superwomen, which can carry their usual traditional burden and the burden of being like men besides. The men should have taken on some worries and and women shaken off some of the traditional burden and be free for something less burdening. The material comforts we have attained could have made that very feasible, but no. Men have always been right. There has never been anything wrong with them and their personality and position are ideal and worth emulating. We are "malists" to the core and think we ar eprogressing. What a pity.
When I say men and malists, of course I am not referring to thousands of years of history but just immediately previous history. Because going backwards there are too many econocmic, physiological and social questions which should be the subject of much wider and deeper analysis than the spontaneous ranting I am putting here where I see where the lead of maliness is leading us.
Salaam
laugh . I have seen men hanging babies on their chest so don?t worry I?m also trying to learn from kangaroo how to carry a baby in a sack. ;D
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Wassalam..
frankly its one of the best answers i were least expecting to have.
Maybe liberation were really done in a wrong way Brother but..am sorry I have to blame the traditionalists for this to occur..In my country, the imaams are still criticising women that drive,work in KHUTBAHS..
I have stopped attending them anyway..and I dunno why they always criticise women and use stupid hadith to justify their acts..and also they say most women will be in hell..thanks
She is a sister not brother dont make things upside down
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These last messages are the kind of thing that have led me long time ago to think that women's liberation was done the wrong way. It was not right to try to make women equal to men. There ws nothing wrong with women. It was men who should have been made equal to women. But we are prisonners of the myth that men are right, perfect and it is women who need repair. So now we live in a "competitive" world, a show off world, nd we are better off because materially we are better off, but if it wasn't for the material comforts in fact I do not think that socially we are a damned millimiter more socially and companionably oriented than before.
I would propound more social qualities at work at home, everywhere, which might result also in making work and home less incompatible pleaces and more homely for real human beings and not worriless men and superwomen, which can carry their usual traditional burden and the burden of being like men besides. The men should have taken on some worries and and women shaken off some of the traditional burden and be free for something less burdening. The material comforts we have attained could have made that very feasible, but no. Men have always been right. There has never been anything wrong with them and their personality and position are ideal and worth emulating. We are "malists" to the core and think we ar eprogressing. What a pity.
When I say men and malists, of course I am not referring to thousands of years of history but just immediately previous history. Because going backwards there are too many econocmic, physiological and social questions which should be the subject of much wider and deeper analysis than the spontaneous ranting I am putting here where I see where the lead of maliness is leading us.
Salaam
Men never asked to be treated as equal to women and we never ask women to be treated as equal to men. It is the women themselves who demand to be treated equal. And nobody is perfect both sexes have plus and minus. Mkay?
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Peace,
Respectfully.I didn't vote because there needs to be added some more options.
However, i believe that men and women are equal according to The Quran and that a woman can do anything that na man can do and i also believe, know and hope that women will finally take charge and march out from the shade of the male and make her print.God willing.
Glory be to our God.
Peace.Peace, i'd like to see a woman working in a mine alongside with many man, i don't think it would be best for the woman to work with "manyman", if you know what i mean.
Also men can't birth children
of course woman are not lower than men and men are not lower than women, but each has a role that the other might not be able to take
as for feminism in the western world, i believe it will go away naturally, it's kind of like trial and error, son enough the society will see how bad extremism feminist is bad, hey same can be said for Misogyny
Wasn't one of the wife of the prophet a merchant with her own business?
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Men never asked to be treated as equal to women and we never ask women to be treated as equal to men. It is the women themselves who demand to be treated equal. And nobody is perfect both sexes have plus and minus. Mkay?
what man would ask to be equal to a woman, when men do there job go out and work they are doing what god has asked of them to take care of the family what woman would be agaisnt that, but when women do there job as in having children raising them taking care of the home and mind you, this is a much harder job then mens work, i have worked in all kinds of jobs mens included as in warehouse work, were we are lifting 50 pound boxes 10 hours a day, but at the end of the day we get paid, who pays women for being mothers for waking up at night 2 and 3 times to breastfeed, or to clean up after our children or to take them to school........ a mothers job is a 24 hour job with no pay, and im talking as in money, and men come at the end of the day not appreciating what women do, as far as men are concerned the food that is ready on the table was magically put there and the house that is clean, a snap of the finger........all there wives do is have coffee with the ladies and talk about men. i beleive that why women are fed up with men and want equallity because they are never appreciated for what god created them for, and if men give ther women money they now think they have the right to oppress them, its not like we were living on the street before they married us.
i once over heard a man on the phone arguing with his wife and i will never forget what he said to her, " dont i have a roof over your head" whatever man, we can talk and debate about equality forever,god knows what equality is and humans will never learn, it will always be like this till the end of time, i have siad it once i will say it again......men are those who break or make this world, they have not only broken it but it is shattered, and everyone women, children, and the old are all paying for there greed and power............the only man who will ever succeed in this world is that who follows gods word 100%.............good luck to us finding them...... -
what man would ask to be equal to a woman, when men do there job go out and work they are doing what god has asked of them to take care of the family what woman would be agaisnt that, but when women do there job as in having children raising them taking care of the home and mind you, this is a much harder job then mens work, i have worked in all kinds of jobs mens included as in warehouse work, were we are lifting 50 pound boxes 10 hours a day, but at the end of the day we get paid, who pays women for being mothers for waking up at night 2 and 3 times to breastfeed, or to clean up after our children or to take them to school........ a mothers job is a 24 hour job with no pay, and im talking as in money, and men come at the end of the day not appreciating what women do, as far as men are concerned the food that is ready on the table was magically put there and the house that is clean, a snap of the finger........all there wives do is have coffee with the ladies and talk about men. i beleive that why women are fed up with men and want equallity because they are never appreciated for what god created them for, and if men give ther women money they now think they have the right to oppress them, its not like we were living on the street before they married us.
i once over heard a man on the phone arguing with his wife and i will never forget what he said to her, " dont i have a roof over your head" whatever man, we can talk and debate about equality forever,god knows what equality is and humans will never learn, it will always be like this till the end of time, i have siad it once i will say it again......men are those who break or make this world, they have not only broken it but it is shattered, and everyone women, children, and the old are all paying for there greed and power............the only man who will ever succeed in this world is that who follows gods word 100%.............good luck to us finding them......Salam,
bravo I love u sister, u really said it all, the truths about most of the males.
Maria
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Thank you for not saying all the males like anna said ;D
peace
Peace,
He he well I still have hope therefore I didn't said ALL the males
Maria
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what man would ask to be equal to a woman, when men do there job go out and work they are doing what god has asked of them to take care of the family what woman would be agaisnt that, but when women do there job as in having children raising them taking care of the home and mind you, this is a much harder job then mens work, i have worked in all kinds of jobs mens included as in warehouse work, were we are lifting 50 pound boxes 10 hours a day, but at the end of the day we get paid, who pays women for being mothers for waking up at night 2 and 3 times to breastfeed, or to clean up after our children or to take them to school........ a mothers job is a 24 hour job with no pay, and im talking as in money, and men come at the end of the day not appreciating what women do, as far as men are concerned the food that is ready on the table was magically put there and the house that is clean, a snap of the finger........all there wives do is have coffee with the ladies and talk about men. i beleive that why women are fed up with men and want equallity because they are never appreciated for what god created them for, and if men give ther women money they now think they have the right to oppress them, its not like we were living on the street before they married us.
i once over heard a man on the phone arguing with his wife and i will never forget what he said to her, " dont i have a roof over your head" whatever man, we can talk and debate about equality forever,god knows what equality is and humans will never learn, it will always be like this till the end of time, i have siad it once i will say it again......men are those who break or make this world, they have not only broken it but it is shattered, and everyone women, children, and the old are all paying for there greed and power............the only man who will ever succeed in this world is that who follows gods word 100%.............good luck to us finding them......Why so serious? ;D
Anyway, I agree with everything you said however I dont exactly understand why you are angry at my comment because it was merely a reply to a previous post that said men should be made equal to women which I disagreed, mkay? I dont wanna be made equal to women and I dont need women to be made equal to men but as I said the fact is that its the women themselves who keep asking to be treated equal as men, mkay? And I fully support the idea that women and men should be treated equal. But as I already stated in my previous post the problem is that many if not most women expect to be treated equal at workplaces but also demand special treatment which makes no sense. So I dont understand, mkay? D
Update
I think this topic is quite interesting so I made a little research related to Anna's complain and I found this story from a stay-at-home dad on Yahoo AnswerStay at home dad and divorce?
I am a stay at home dad and my wife all of a sudden resents me for this arrangement, even though we agreed on it before the children were born. She says she wants me to work while she stays at home but she has a pretty good paying job and I would not be able to match the salarie that she is making and we are currently barely making it. She doesn't think my contributions (taking care of a 2year old and a 8month old, cleaning, cooking, shopping, working part time nights on the weekend) are of any value and is very dismissive of my sacrifice and hard work. She basically doesn't respect me or appreciate me anymore.
So two days before Christmas I'm facing divorce, the problem is I am not in a financial position to stand up for myself and walk out that door. I plan on getting a job asap but we have the whole child care issue and It's very expensive around my area.
My question is what should I do in this situation? Has anyone else gone through this? Any information/advice would be helpfulAdditional Details
10 months ago
I work as a bouncer on the weekend nights to have some extra cash. I though about swing shift but then I would never have any time with her and I'm already exhausted most of the time as it is!10 months ago
She is the one who wants to end it and I refuse to continually beg someone to love me.Her critical attitude towards me has effected my self esteem and confidence. I feel so unappreciated and taken for granted, she makes me feel like a piece of crap sometimes. I have never done anything wrong to her even though she has to me. I go out of my way to make her feel beautiful and wanted but she is just sick of me i guess.
http//answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AlhY3Tq7VNYO6_qY_fqNNTkjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20071223154732AAaAVkmSo this is what we call 'The Power of Situation'. Men arent really inherently unappreciative. Its just that what you perceive about your role is what determines your behavior. When you have a career and work hard and make money to feed your family you feel that you are in power. When women are put in the same role not surprisingly they turn out to be just exactly the same ...
The same thing about the accusation that men destroy the world. Well, have you read much of history? Many women have become heads of states. But were they any different than men? No. Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, Queen Isabella, Queen Elizabeth or Golda Meir were no less warmongers ...
So please dont demonize men, mkay? )
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Precisely, you do not understand. May be if you got the same treatment as women you would. Great novelty that most men do not ask for it. Of course they don't just as usually children do not ask for summerholidays to be over. Women do not ask for the deal they get either,but they get it anyway. If everybody got the women's treatment at least there would be a fair sharing of the burden by all.
I do not like either your talking in the name of men as if they were all the same and they shared your views. Some men are honourable and fair and just, they also bear the burden of the abuse and irresponsibility of the large number of those whose only god on this earth is their comfort and convenience. And woo to those who trespass on that comfort and convenience... but we know already how illogical and evil women are, don't we?... They are always asking for unreasonable things, there is no way to make them happy they want the all the advantges but they are not ready to take shoulder the inconveniences... In what world do you live?
Salaam
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In other words women dont wanna be treated equal as men. As simple as that. They only want equal or more pay.
lets make something clear men and women are equal only in taqwa each to there beleif and there strength in faith, only one problem very few follow faith.......... very few,
lets put it this way all people with good hearts tend to get stepped on be it women or men and its not till after the fact that we realize that are hearts have to be strengthened, but then you wonder why would i need to stregthen my heart towards my spouse are we not to work as one , one heart one pocket one mind for the sake of our lives and the lives of our children. i beleive there is men out there who are as i put them great men, and to me as a female i worship the word man indirectly in other words i only worship god but the word man has great responsibitly and meaning, he should have the heart of a lion yet kind and loving.......... there is no more of that these days its all about money, we can talk religion all we want but nowadays anyone would be kidding themselves if they said that life is anything then money.........corruption from men...........if there were great men, (that i one day hope to meet in heaven), on this earth i will gladly accept my role as female wife mother and accept whatever comes, but to do all that then get treated miserably by men...............they are diffinetly not worth it....................im sorry im not angry at anyone i just like to also bring reality into the forum and reality is much more uglier then one imagines. as much as we would like to live happy the only happiness that we will get is when we all have faith in god alone, and i truley am thankful that i found this forum, you ppl have no idea.
when i speak of men, i speak in general, but i know there are some good men out there and some are great but agai they are very very few. no matter how bad a woman gets when she has a strong husband he will put her in place in the right way in the respectable way, not to throw her like garbage. he is the man afterall his word should be the last, if he is good to his wife she should accept his word as last as well.