If for the Men there will be hooris,what will there be for women in Paradise?
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Mashah Allah
I did not know abt this one..
Anyways the traditionalists in Musjid here translated it by women..very beautiful onesJazaak Allah
Hi everyone is busy talking about herein for men and women nobody cares about she males why God never mention them '(
Note a year before ppls called me sister for advocating their right and i know somebody will call me a she male but I?m not I?m just a human and wondering why god never mentioned the.
Any way where god said that these hurain is for sex they may be for your service. eat yes
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Afridi, I know how sensible and sensitive to the sexes mistreatment you are in all your posts and here you touch also on stereotypes as opposed to archetypes. Those who as soon as they hear something told to people (and people are always male, unless explicitly and specifically it is stated that they are male and female) in connection with something or someone who is as a reward for males, automatically it is female they are going to profit from, be them hooris, be them whores, be them their mothers their wives... And anything else, however masculine they may be, must also be for some male benefit. It would be proposterous, can't we see that it could have been thought for females. Therefore the ghulam are also there in paradise to satisfy, but not sexually, just to serve them.
Going to archetypes, that kind of obssessed males (the ones I am talking about, which are a huge number) do not seem to consider that the Quran may be using them. That a hoori could be just some image, archetype, representation of beauty, inner beauty, companionable, restfulness, etc. and regardless of gender just doesn't occur to them. That the ghulam could be something of the same kind, also the same. That a male may act just as an archtypal haughty lady. That a woman may respond to wharrior archtype... The Quran, our religion has always given plenty of weight to companionship, comradeship, relationshps of equality. The followers of the Prophet, differently form the followers of other religious founders, were not called disciples or followers, but companions ?what an indication! Company for humans beings is full of beauty it is inspiring, it is also inspiring for the akhira, but company has nothing to do with sex. Sex is not company, it may be accompanied by company, but it is not and as it was stated in some other thread on this subject, people will not die nor be born in paradise. So no need for sex. There may be something that in this world sex is an allegory of. But no reproduction, no foundation for sexual organs nor functions. Deep abandonement of the self will be felt and expressed spiritually not physiologically. So women or men, it will be the same, it will be beauty, peace, purity, acceptance and understanding, beautiful and pure companionship and deep love and worship of God.
That is at least my very timid and tentative feeling on this question based on the data at hand.
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Afridi, I know how sensible and sensitive to the sexes mistreatment you are in all your posts and here you touch also on stereotypes as opposed to archetypes. Those who as soon as they hear something told to people (and people are always male, unless explicitly and specifically it is stated that they are male and female) in connection with something or someone who is as a reward for males, automatically it is female they are going to profit from, be them hooris, be them whores, be them their mothers their wives... And anything else, however masculine they may be, must also be for some male benefit. It would be proposterous, can't we see that it could have been thought for females. Therefore the ghulam are also there in paradise to satisfy, but not sexually, just to serve them.
Going to archetypes, that kind of obssessed males (the ones I am talking about, which are a huge number) do not seem to consider that the Quran may be using them. That a hoori could be just some image, archetype, representation of beauty, inner beauty, companionable, restfulness, etc. and regardless of gender just doesn't occur to them. That the ghulam could be something of the same kind, also the same. That a male may act just as an archtypal haughty lady. That a woman may respond to wharrior archtype... The Quran, our religion has always given plenty of weight to companionship, comradeship, relationshps of equality. The followers of the Prophet, differently form the followers of other religious founders, were not called disciples or followers, but companions ?what an indication! Company for humans beings is full of beauty it is inspiring, it is also inspiring for the akhira, but company has nothing to do with sex. Sex is not company, it may be accompanied by company, but it is not and as it was stated in some other thread on this subject, people will not die nor be born in paradise. So no need for sex. There may be something that in this world sex is an allegory of. But no reproduction, no foundation for sexual organs nor functions. Deep abandonement of the self will be felt and expressed spiritually not physiologically. So women or men, it will be the same, it will be beauty, peace, purity, acceptance and understanding, beautiful and pure companionship and deep love and worship of God.
That is at least my very timid and tentative feeling on this question based on the data at hand.
Peace Huruf
Very will explained, The problem why ppls thinks hurain are beautiful women and they are for men only cose all the clergy are male and very found of sex since they have no work and their minds are free and used by their great uncle >D -
The way of extracting meaning from the Quran on this subject and many others, always make me think of the French saying that goes
L'amour c'est comme un auberge espagnol on y mange ce que l'on aporte.
Love is like a Spanish inn, you eat there what you yourself bring with you.
Or as Jesus is said to have said in the Gospel
"It is not what goes into them what defiles men, but what goes out of them".
And all the praise of virginity (archetype) and "ummy"(ness) archetype also) is about that. Do not bring with you any bagagge when you approach the Quran, be an unwritten page, an empty blackboard, have no past, have no knowledge... be empty, so that the quran may fill you to the brim. If you have something in yourself already, you will contaminate the Quran. We must be virgins so that we may know that which comes on to us in its full power.
Of course, to be 100% virgin, illiterate, empty is impossible. But we must try our best at emptying as much as possible of our balast.
When you come to think of it, those fantasys about as many partners for sexual orgies as you can handle in Paradise, are really funny. It is the kind of thing you would expect in some magazine comic.
Salaam
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The way of extracting meaning from the Quran on this subject and many others, always make me think of the French saying that goes
L'amour c'est comme un auberge espagnol on y mange ce que l'on aporte.
Love is like a Spanish inn, you eat there what you yourself bring with you.
Or as Jesus is said to have said in the Gospel
"It is not what goes into them what defiles men, but what goes out of them".
And all the praise of virginity (archetype) and "ummy"(ness) archetype also) is about that. Do not bring with you any bagagge when you approach the Quran, be an unwritten page, an empty blackboard, have no past, have no knowledge... be empty, so that the quran may fill you to the brim. If you have something in yourself already, you will contaminate the Quran. We must be virgins so that we may know that which comes on to us in its full power.
Of course, to be 100% virgin, illiterate, empty is impossible. But we must try our best at emptying as much as possible of our balast.
When you come to think of it, those fantasys about as many partners for sexual orgies as you can handle in Paradise, are really funny. It is the kind of thing you would expect in some magazine comic.
Salaam
And who wrote those root the same ppls hadith followers why we cannot use common sensehmm
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peace be upon you all,
the descriptions of paradise are allegorical!, not literary...
no reason to discuss this because only GOD knows what paradise is.
just put your faith in GOD and trust Him.
remember that GOD says in the quran that every beliver will be pleased with their reward in paradise!
and, all your wishes will be fulfilled in paradise!
what a great abode for the righteousyay
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peace be upon you all,
the descriptions of paradise are allegorical!, not literary...
no reason to discuss this because only GOD knows what paradise is.
just put your faith in GOD and trust Him.
remember that GOD says in the quran that every beliver will be pleased with their reward in paradise!
and, all your wishes will be fulfilled in paradise!
what a great abode for the righteousyay
Assalaam Alaikum
Be you foremost (in seeking) Forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden / Jannah, the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in God and His apostles. that is the Grace of God, which He bestows on whom he pleases. and God is the Lord of Grace abounding.
Paradise is in this world.....
As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise / jannatu alfirdawsi,
alfirdawsi fertile land, opulence, fruitful, prosperous
For them are glad tidings, in the LIFE OF THE PRESENT and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.
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Salam
I have seen several place that there will be houris(hours) which are extremely beautiful in Jannah..
But it was never mentionned what will there be for women..
If you could find anything about it please do tell me Inshah AllahPeace all
There is nothing in Quran that shows rewards for Females, as were for Male (Hoor).
Why is that?Because Humans, when entring Heaven or Hillfire will be Single Souls--The Male Soule and the Female Soul Will be Joined, as when first created (Adam Soul).
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single Soul; and from it (the Soul) He created his mate; and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights) and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.` (4-1)
We will be resurrected as we were created, SINGLE SOUL
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And when the souls are joined (81-7)(
And your creation or your resurrection is in no wise but as an Single soul
for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). (31-2Here are more verses
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"And behold! ye come to Us Singls as We created you for the first time
Ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you We see not with you your intercessors whom ye thought to be partners in your affairs so now all relations between you have been cut off, and your (pet) fancies have left you in the lurch!" (6-94)(
And they will be marshalled before thy Lord in ranks, "Now have ye come to Us as We created you first
aye, ye thought We shall not fulfil the appointment made to you to meet (Us)!" (18-4(
The Day that we roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books even as We produced the first Creation, so shall We return them (as they were before) a promise We have undertaken truly shall We fulfil it. (21-104)Can I conclude that Humans will not be Male and Female but one Complete Soul (not missing the Female Part or the Male Part) as was created in the beginning (the Creation of Adam Single Soul).
If this is true, can we say that When God explained that Heaven ?In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched (55-56)? is because Humans (Male or Female) will be?.Males.In the following link, you will find my more details
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Peace all
I would like to addthe Two Souls will be, a Pair in a Single Body, as they were when creating ADAM. The Soul will be comfrtable as when were created.
Now, can each Soul (Male and Female) in the one Body feels that they were rewarded due to their Good Deeds? Yes.
But How? How can Soraya Nafs and "A" Nafs, if Soraya Nafs were to be joined by a Male Nafs that were named "A", enjoy or suffere in Heaven or Hellfire, in one Body? I can tell you that both will like, if in heaven, HOOR Eleain and the Jolman (The Kids); and in Hellfire, both will suffer the Fire.
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Assalaam Alaikum
The FIRST and LAST Nature of human development is feminine
The term nafsin wahidtin / in Sura 4.1 & kanafsin wahidatin / in Sura 31.28 & an-nufoosu zuwwijat / in Sura 81.7 is all FEMININE.
The governance of the soul on the Day of Qiyamah is feminine!
Again, what will explain to you what the Day of Judgment is?
(It will be) THE DAY WHEN NO SOUL SHALL HAVE POWER (to do) aught for another / la tamliku nafsun linafsin . For the command, that Day, will be (wholly) with Allah.
tamliku (imperfect, 3rd person feminine, singular) to have power, authority, control
nafsun / nafsin (feminine) soulI dont know where you got this statement or reference from "(55-56)? is because Humans (Male or Female) will be?.Males"
correction(s) sura 6.94 is mistranslation furada / meaning 'lonely state, alone, no companions' NOT 'Singls' as in a 'single soul'
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I dont know where you got this statement or reference from "(55-56)? is because Humans (Male or Female) will be?.Males"
Peace all
Hoor El3ean are Females( ( (
The verbs in red fonts can only be used for Females (Verse 55-56 and 5
And the ones who will be rewarded by females Cann't be Females.Why cann't you accept that Our first Creation was Single Soul--ADAM--Male.
and if our last creation=First; Then it will= Male.
I hope you do not not think that Female is less than Male (By the way I love and like females more that Males), but God knows better when He decides.
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Peace all
Hoor El3ean are Females( ( (
The verbs in red fonts can only be used for Females (Verse 55-56 and 5
And the ones who will be rewarded by females Cann't be Females.Why cann't you accept that Our first Creation was Single Soul--ADAM--Male.
and if our last creation=First; Then it will= Male.
I hope you do not not think that Female is less than Male (By the way I love and like females more that Males), but God knows better when He decides.
PeaceAssalaam Alaikum
uuh excuse me, but hoori / hoor / hooriayn is NOT in Sura 5556-58
Please clarify and illustrate your position cogently and succinctly
Secondly, I gave you the grammatical construct of the words, they are feminine, period. You cant change that, so accept it.
He created you (all) from a single essence / Nafsin Widatin. then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you eight genes / Al-'An`m in pairs. He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three stages of development/ Khalqin F ?ulumtin Thalthin. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher. to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but He. then how are you turned away (from your true Centre)?
Science has confirmed
The germ layers begin to form quite early in human embryonic development. The OUTERMOST LAYERS IS CALLED THE ECTODERM. The INNERMOST LAYER IS THE ENDODERM. BETWEEN THESE TWO GERM LAYERS LIES THE MESODERM. At first these three germ layers are more or less uniform. Soon they begin to take different characteristics. In each layers of embryo, tissues and organs begin to take shape. Every adult organ is identified with one of these three germ layers of darkness.
100% of the mtDNA contribution to a zygote is inherited from the mother and this is true for most, but not all, organisms. Thus when scientists wish to 'trace' human evolution they can use the DNA from females to trace humanities geographic origins!
All females are related by their DNA, because Allah created and developed the human being from ONE single essence, that essence is feminine.
Secondly, The gender of the foetus is determined by the feminine hormones 'bathing' the foetus in the womb.
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Peace all
Hoor El3ean are Females( ( (
The verbs in red fonts can only be used for Females (Verse 55-56 and 5
And the ones who will be rewarded by females Cann't be Females.Why cann't you accept that Our first Creation was Single Soul--ADAM--Male.
and if our last creation=First; Then it will= Male.
I hope you do not not think that Female is less than Male (By the way I love and like females more that Males), but God knows better when He decides.
PeaceBelalhamd, that that first soul was male you are inventing it, it is not in the Quran. You only take one instance where feminine is used in connection with hoor and ignore all the others where it can be either male or female and you ignore the ayas where females and males will be rewarded equally. You also ignore that according to knowledge at hand, humans are females basically and tha later along their development there is something, I am not sure about the mechanism, whereby if it intervenes it modifies the basic nature to make them into male, and if it doesn't they stay females. Then you take ghulam and take it that they are made for males again, whereas following your logic if you take the hoor to be for males you should take the ghulam for the females. In fact I think you are taking the Quranic ayas and adapting them to your theory and not the opposite. I know you like this theory very much. But it is just your theory and may be Plato's. Sexuation is necessary in the dunya for reproduction. In the akhira no reproduction that they Quran mentions nor death, therefore sexuation is meaninglesse females, but as far as the Quran states all be will be simply inhabitants of janna. Your assertion that those who can be rewarded by females cannot be females springs from your belief, not confirmed by Quraan, that the reward will be sexual physical activity. If you apply that to the ghulam you will come also the conclusion that the ghulam cannot be for males, they must be for females.
Again there is this aya where it is plainly stated that in these descriptions a language is used that must not be taken to the dot, but that its meaning is as images to describe something which we now are not able to see, except that those who do much good may feel something akin, and that is spiritual, it is not the feeling of having fun with the wife or the husband, although that may also be an allegory of something in paradise, but not sexual flesh activity like the one you seem to think that should be meant.
As to your theory of joining the nafs, there is not hint of that in the Quran, because in the Quran what came from one nafs were finally many, many nafs. And as to be joined, it seems that those that in sha Allah will attin janna will indeed by joined by the deepest bond, all of them, the love of God without the earthly veil. Being male or female is just part of the trial in this world and of this stafe of our return to Him. It is not stated as a condition in janna nor does the Quran say that each male and each female will be joined in one inhabitant of janna nor can I see that the way you derive that conclusion is warranted by the Quran. But, of course, we all know very little and Allah knows best.
Salaam
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Peace all
I would like to addthe Two Souls will be, a Pair in a Single Body, as they were when creating ADAM. The Soul will be comfrtable as when were created.
Now, can each Soul (Male and Female) in the one Body feels that they were rewarded due to their Good Deeds? Yes.
But How? How can Soraya Nafs and "A" Nafs, if Soraya Nafs were to be joined by a Male Nafs that were named "A", enjoy or suffere in Heaven or Hellfire, in one Body? I can tell you that both will like, if in heaven, HOOR Eleain and the Jolman (The Kids); and in Hellfire, both will suffer the Fire.
SalamWhy not all souls in one body Baba Adam so we can escaped punishment, yay rotfl
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Belalhamd, that that first soul was male you are inventing it, it is not in the Quran. You only take one instance where feminine is used in connection with hoor and ignore all the others where it can be either male or female and you ignore the ayas where females and males will be rewarded equally. You also ignore that according to knowledge at hand, humans are females basically and tha later along their development there is something, I am not sure about the mechanism, whereby if it intervenes it modifies the basic nature to make them into male, and if it doesn't they stay females. Then you take ghulam and take it that they are made for males again, whereas following your logic if you take the hoor to be for males you should take the ghulam for the females. In fact I think you are taking the Quranic ayas and adapting them to your theory and not the opposite. I know you like this theory very much. But it is just your theory and may be Plato's. Sexuation is necessary in the dunya for reproduction. In the akhira no reproduction that they Quran mentions nor death, therefore sexuation is meaninglesse females, but as far as the Quran states all be will be simply inhabitants of janna. Your assertion that those who can be rewarded by females cannot be females springs from your belief, not confirmed by Quraan, that the reward will be sexual physical activity. If you apply that to the ghulam you will come also the conclusion that the ghulam cannot be for males, they must be for females.
Again there is this aya where it is plainly stated that in these descriptions a language is used that must not be taken to the dot, but that its meaning is as images to describe something which we now are not able to see, except that those who do much good may feel something akin, and that is spiritual, it is not the feeling of having fun with the wife or the husband, although that may also be an allegory of something in paradise, but not sexual flesh activity like the one you seem to think that should be meant.
As to your theory of joining the nafs, there is not hint of that in the Quran, because in the Quran what came from one nafs were finally many, many nafs. And as to be joined, it seems that those that in sha Allah will attin janna will indeed by joined by the deepest bond, all of them, the love of God without the earthly veil. Being male or female is just part of the trial in this world and of this stafe of our return to Him. It is not stated as a condition in janna nor does the Quran say that each male and each female will be joined in one inhabitant of janna nor can I see that the way you derive that conclusion is warranted by the Quran. But, of course, we all know very little and Allah knows best.
Salaam
Serving will be immortal youths with jeweled and crystal cups filled with the purest wine which will neither give them headache nor hangover, with fruits and meats of their desire. They will be fair ones with lovely intense eyes like guarded pearls; A reward for the good deeds of their past life.? (5617-24)
?We have created mates for them and made them virgins, matched in age, for the companions of the right hand.? (5635-3?They will be chaste, restraining their eyes in modesty, never touched by man or Jinn."(5556)
?Serving them will be immortal servants. When you see them, they will look like scattered pearls.? (7619)
Allah mentions "them" as being the believers, not just men. And the "houris" as companions, not women
And i forget that aya where it says that ...there they will live with their family. so where Belal theory came from elektro -
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Peace all
I will not comment in my theory yet; but I will keep reading yours untill I come to my final comment; after all, it is still a hypotheses and not a proven theory.
And for Afridi, why do you keep changing your Flower color confused
handshakeCannot you see Allah in those flowers hmm
