Good news for all messengers.:)
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Should I write 27-44 in a larger font; no I will try smaller
An-Naml 27.44] ... She said. "O my Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul. I do (now) submit (in Islam), with Solomon, to the Lord of the Worlds."
Now, what can you read; can you see that she is saying that she wronged her Soul; can you see that she accepted to submitt to Solmon God, which means she was submitting to a wrong God--THE SUN 27-24.
That is it, I will not discuss this further.
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Allah states throughout Allah's Quran.....
'I bless whom I please....You do NOT know...I know...Allah ONLY knows...YOU dont know....Im Lord of the Worlds NOT Man...You dont instruct Allah in my deen...'
Even the Angels 'advised' Allah...'You will create one will cause mischief on earth and be ungrateful to your blessings'
Allah tells the Angels and Iblis 'Yes your correct but You dont know what I know, let me handle it and Iblis, If they follow you I will throw you and them in the fire (Iblis is &"
Thus it doesnt matter to Allah whether one states and declares that they submit, Allah blesses them because Allah chooses to.
Get over it
Read Allah's Quran
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Peace,
Why else she said she has wronged her soul?
Maria
Assalaam Alaikum
Saba came to the realization as to who her Creator was, by accepting and understanding the guidance that Sulaiman conveyed to her.
We all 'wrong' our souls from time to time, but the recognition of the wrong is guidance.
Many of the Messengers and Prophets of Allah,swt 'wronged' their souls as they were conveying and understanding the message.
Ibraaheem, Muusa, Ayub come to mind......
Dont get so hung up on the words.
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2743 And that which she was worshipping other than Allah had averted her . Indeed, she was from a disbelieving people
2744 She was told, "Enter the palace." But when she saw it, she thought it was a body of water and uncovered her shins . He said, "Indeed, it is a palace made smooth with glass." She said, "My Lord, indeed I have wronged myself, and I submit with Solomon to Allah, Lord of the worlds."
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2743 And that which she was worshipping other than Allah had averted her . Indeed, she was from a disbelieving people
2744 She was told, "Enter the palace." But when she saw it, she thought it was a body of water and uncovered her shins . He said, "Indeed, it is a palace made smooth with glass." She said, "My Lord, indeed I have wronged myself, and I submit with Solomon to Allah, Lord of the worlds."
Peace to All
These verses explain it all MrFlower(aka afridi220) bravo
Again, MTR, you keep spreading your MISinterpretations everywhere on this forum.... I have strong doubts on you now... I wonder what is your real motives.... I have been discussing with you many times on various threads about your misinterpretation and voluntary distortion of the Quranic meaning ALTHOUGH things are made very clear in the Quran... You still try to forge your ideas in between the lines... So beware, Allah is watching... He knows what is being hidden in thy heart... as well as mine...
You have strong doubts on the Bird because Solomon said he will execute it... You tend to forget that Solomon was a king... And PUNCTUALITY was one of his rules... It was not about trust... Although you do not trust the Bird, it spoke THE TRUTH to Solomon... So, there is no place for non sense here...
May Allah guide us ALL
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Its funny how people just hear something without understanding.
The point was whether Saba received guidance, that was confirmed by the following ayahs
"Go you, with this letter of mine, and deliver it to them. then draw back from them, and (wait to) see what answer they return"...
Ithhab bikitabee hatha faalqih ilayhim thumma tawalla AAanhum faonthur matha yarjiAAoona
(The queen) said. "You chiefs! here is delivered to me - a letter worthy of respect.
Qalat ya ayyuha almalao innee olqiya ilayya kitabun kareemun
belalhammad, obviously doesnt like the fact that Saba received Al-Kitab and accepted it, so he 'flipped' the focus to a circular argument about whether Saba 'wronged' her soul and a 'talking bird'. laugh
Its called Obfuscating meaning To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understandto make obscure or unclear to obfuscate a problem with extraneous informationto confuse, bewilder, or stupefy
Its a common practice among individuals who dont wish to humble themselves to the truth.
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laugh
Wayfinder...NO one is arguing about a 'talking bird', you just fell for belalhammad's 'hook'
laughThis is why Allah states in the Quran
Woe to every (kind of) scandal-monger and-backbiter,
O? you who believe if an immoral person comes to you with slander / fasiqun / binabain, so seek clarification that you may injure people in ignorance then you begin the day regretting over what you have done.
O you who believe! When you present yourself/set forth in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation. "You are not a believer!" Coveting the perishable goods of this life. with Allah are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were you yourselves before, till Allah conferred on you His favours. Therefore carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware of all that you do.
So hearken
not to those who deny (the Truth).
Their desire is that you should be influenced by them. so that they can dominate/impress you (misguide you).
Heed not the type of despicable people,- ready with oaths (threats),
A slanderer / Hammazin , going about with calumnies, -
Again, MTR, you keep spreading your MISinterpretations everywhere on this forum.... I have strong doubts on you now... I wonder what is your real motives.... I have been discussing with you many times on various threads about your misinterpretation and voluntary distortion of the Quranic meaning ALTHOUGH things are made very clear in the Quran... You still try to forge your ideas in between the lines... So beware, Allah is watching... He knows what is being hidden in thy heart... as well as mine...
Peace All
I have noticed the Same about MTR; now i'm wondering why Free-Minds administration silent about his or her posts, when knowing its intention. Is it aginest thier Rules?
But any way, MTR will keep us busy utill God Take care of him or her.
Thank you MTR for giving us the apportiunity to defend Our Lord Book from Lies. police -
I don?t know if pizza deliver man is also called messenger I will like to order one I?m really feeling hungryeat
Yes they are.. (Pizza Hut's messenger, Rasol Al-Pizza Hut)
The word "Rasol" actually doesn't have any 'special meanings', it is as plain as 'messenger'. -
peace to everyone,
may God guide us in His straight Path.i have just registered at this site, so i am not really sure how to use it.
this is a reply comment to BelHyou quoted Surah 12109 to show that only men could be Messengers of God
"Nor did We send before thee (as Messengers) any but men, whom We did inspire living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the Hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand? (12-109)"First of all, the word "men" in the Scripture could clearly be a generic reference. after all, there are at least three female Prophetess listed in the Bible Deborah, Huldah and Anna.
but let's just say it does mean literally men. while this Scripture did apply to Muhammad initially, it also has meaning for another Messenger who arrives later. why could the understanding of the Scripture not be this
"Nor did We send before you (O woman Messenger) any but men, whom We did inspire..."?
God clearly identifies a Messenger who is coming, who is indeed a woman, in the Bible.
Isaiah 60; Revelation 12
she is even named in the Quran as Becca.
Surah 396, 515
actually, there will be several Messengers
Surah 735it is too much to explain in just comments, but it is explained in detail on youtube, under that same username WhereIsTruth.
peace once more to all of you,
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"They said, 'Did you come to divert us from what we found our parents doing, and to attain positions of prominence for yourselves? We will never join you as Believers.'"
Surah 1078While the context of this Scripture is what Pharaoh accused Moses of desiring to attain a position of prominence, God had this conversation recorded because the Messengers who would arrive right before the Last Day would be accused of the same thing trying to divert people away from the "teachings of their fathers" in order to benefit themselves some how.
peace once more
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peace to everyone,
may God guide us in His straight Path.i have just registered at this site, so i am not really sure how to use it.
this is a reply comment to BelHyou quoted Surah 12109 to show that only men could be Messengers of God
"Nor did We send before thee (as Messengers) any but men, whom We did inspire living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the Hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand? (12-109)"First of all, the word "men" in the Scripture could clearly be a generic reference. after all, there are at least three female Prophetess listed in the Bible Deborah, Huldah and Anna.
but let's just say it does mean literally men. while this Scripture did apply to Muhammad initially, it also has meaning for another Messenger who arrives later. why could the understanding of the Scripture not be this
"Nor did We send before you (O woman Messenger) any but men, whom We did inspire..."?
God clearly identifies a Messenger who is coming, who is indeed a woman, in the Bible.
Isaiah 60; Revelation 12
she is even named in the Quran as Becca.
Surah 396, 515
actually, there will be several Messengers
Surah 735it is too much to explain in just comments, but it is explained in detail on youtube, under that same username WhereIsTruth.
peace once more to all of you,
BeccaPeace
This is in regard to 10-109(
Please note that the red word can only be used for male. Thus, before you (O Male Messenger)
for Male for Female
But Females are welcome to join the Team of the thousands of Messengers that exist in our time who are delivering God's words without adding to it nor discounting from. But if such a person add or discount, then know that he or she is a wicked one.
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Peace
This is in regard to 10-109(
INCORRECT *Please note that the red word can only be used for male. Thus, before you (O Male Messenger)
Is Masculine and Female, when a word does NOT have a feminine marker it is referring to BOTH males and females
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee (Imperfect, 3rd person, singular, Verb Form VIII, assimilation) He chooses from the best of Us/Me, chosen, to take the best of, to be clear, pure; Root word Safa
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 317 (safa)an-nasi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
And when the angels said, O?Maryam/Mary surely Allah has chosen you / istafaki / and purified you and He has chosen you / istafaki / above the women of all nations.
istafaki / SAME Root meaning and word as yastafee /
This issue has already been addressed in regards to Maryam and Saba / Sheba on this page from this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597271.150
This individual (BelH) is just regurgitating the same argument (Be careful who you take your understanding from)
'Speak What You KNOW....not What You THINK'
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peace to everyone,
may God guide us in His straight Path.i have just registered at this site, so i am not really sure how to use it.
this is a reply comment to BelHyou quoted Surah 12109 to show that only men could be Messengers of God
"Nor did We send before thee (as Messengers) any but men, whom We did inspire living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the Hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand? (12-109)"First of all, the word "men" in the Scripture could clearly be a generic reference. after all, there are at least three female Prophetess listed in the Bible Deborah, Huldah and Anna.
but let's just say it does mean literally men. while this Scripture did apply to Muhammad initially, it also has meaning for another Messenger who arrives later. why could the understanding of the Scripture not be this
"Nor did We send before you (O woman Messenger) any but men, whom We did inspire..."?
God clearly identifies a Messenger who is coming, who is indeed a woman, in the Bible.
Isaiah 60; Revelation 12
she is even named in the Quran as Becca.
Surah 396, 515
actually, there will be several Messengers
Surah 735it is too much to explain in just comments, but it is explained in detail on youtube, under that same username WhereIsTruth.
peace once more to all of you,
BeccaPeaec sister and welcome .
I am slowly packing up to move out and you are coming in.
My leaving is due of short time to do my own things and study other way this forum is one of the best same as 19.org one and many other one that their goal is informing and educating others using this era thought and understanding.I am not rejecting for new messengers as far they tell me what is propose of their task and duty if are chosen one.
Glorious Reading itself with its solid proof is earth life time messenger and any body reciting it for uninformed people in any language by correct meaning is automatically messenger . But claiming being chosen one needs Clear Proof . This Clear proof can not repeating same proof as for example opening sea by or stock of Moses, miracles of Jesus , delivering another Quran or using code 19 which has been used by Rashad.
Your claim that name of you is in 396 Becca remember me June 11 1998 when for first ever time I involved in religious discussion and my first time using yahoo board which did not know how to use the tools.
How ever Becca is name of place and there are many other names in GR that any body can claim is he or she.
When authored that GR is complete and detail then it means we close older scripture and our reference would be GR ?Quran Alone? . If you like to use older scripture for your claim you should discard anything is you do not find in GR.
At the end reminding you speeding truth and messages do not need any special assignment or special name by God, any body with clear heart and free of prejudices and hate can perform it as I have witnessed for last 10 years on this screen.
And reminding that rules and laws of GR is for all generation beyond to the end of world and should be considered for the time and location.
We have to do our best by using messages for this era and present time.
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Is Masculine and Female, when a word does NOT have a feminine marker it is referring to BOTH males and females
No; it does not in the case of the verse and this thread.
The evidence supports that God was speaking to Male prophet in 10-109 and not a Female prophet as "whereistruth" claiming. And that is how I understand verses.MTR, Read your Quran and get a life. I could be doing better things than answering to your comments that shows a clear LACK of Intelligence.
tempt
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Assalaam Alaikum
Its quite clear that Allah has chosen and continues to choose Messengers from BOTH Male and Female....
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee (Imperfect, 3rd person, singular, Verb Form VIII, assimilation) He chooses from the best of Us/Me, chosen, to take the best of, to be clear, pure; Root word Safa
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 317 (safa)an-nasi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
And when the angels said, O?Maryam/Mary surely Allah has chosen you / istafaki / and purified you and He has chosen you / istafaki / above the women of all nations.
istafaki / SAME Root meaning and word as yastafee /
Why its an issue for some people, can only be answered by how the female nature is regarded. Those individuals who have been indoctrinated to subjugate and oppress the feminine nature through a 'patriarchal' view of the world will have less regard for the feminine nature.
Those individuals who view the world in 'pluralities' will have regard for the feminine nature as 'equal'.
Maryam,as is the 'model' for ALL Women for ALL times.....Her womb nutured and produced the Messenger of Allah!!!
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Peace all,
I just want to ask some person who knows Arabic grammar if it's true that if the word not is written in feminine it will be genderless?
Maria
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peace BelH,
please let me clarify one thing before you start a false rumor.
i have NEVER claimed to be a Prophet. i am not a Prophetess.
i am a Messenger.
as i explained to Bahman, when he notified me about this conversation on this site
i do not have time to start a whole new debate here.
i cannot kept re-explaining things to each person, or even each group.
please understand, there is only one of me, and many of you.
i invite you to watch my videos, if you like, and ask follow up question there.
i only came here to leave a couple of comments since the conversation was about me.
only God can guide any of us.peace again
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All plural words are BOTH male and female, unless preceded by a preposition/case construct (minha, minhum, etc.)
When we say 'Assalaam AlayKUM', 'Kum' is a plural masculine pronoun, which refers to BOTH male and female.
Actually in the following ayah....
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee / is a feminine verb! and rusulan is plural and an-nasi is plural /
So its clear that the feminine verb yastafee / is determining, who are the Plural, Male & Female 'Human Rasools'
Not a big deal...