Good news for all messengers.:)
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Wayfinder...NO one is arguing about a 'talking bird', you just fell for belalhammad's 'hook'
laughThis is why Allah states in the Quran
Woe to every (kind of) scandal-monger and-backbiter,
O? you who believe if an immoral person comes to you with slander / fasiqun / binabain, so seek clarification that you may injure people in ignorance then you begin the day regretting over what you have done.
O you who believe! When you present yourself/set forth in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation. "You are not a believer!" Coveting the perishable goods of this life. with Allah are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were you yourselves before, till Allah conferred on you His favours. Therefore carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware of all that you do.
So hearken
not to those who deny (the Truth).
Their desire is that you should be influenced by them. so that they can dominate/impress you (misguide you).
Heed not the type of despicable people,- ready with oaths (threats),
A slanderer / Hammazin , going about with calumnies, -
Again, MTR, you keep spreading your MISinterpretations everywhere on this forum.... I have strong doubts on you now... I wonder what is your real motives.... I have been discussing with you many times on various threads about your misinterpretation and voluntary distortion of the Quranic meaning ALTHOUGH things are made very clear in the Quran... You still try to forge your ideas in between the lines... So beware, Allah is watching... He knows what is being hidden in thy heart... as well as mine...
Peace All
I have noticed the Same about MTR; now i'm wondering why Free-Minds administration silent about his or her posts, when knowing its intention. Is it aginest thier Rules?
But any way, MTR will keep us busy utill God Take care of him or her.
Thank you MTR for giving us the apportiunity to defend Our Lord Book from Lies. police -
I don?t know if pizza deliver man is also called messenger I will like to order one I?m really feeling hungryeat
Yes they are.. (Pizza Hut's messenger, Rasol Al-Pizza Hut)
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peace to everyone,
may God guide us in His straight Path.i have just registered at this site, so i am not really sure how to use it.
this is a reply comment to BelHyou quoted Surah 12109 to show that only men could be Messengers of God
"Nor did We send before thee (as Messengers) any but men, whom We did inspire living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the Hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand? (12-109)"First of all, the word "men" in the Scripture could clearly be a generic reference. after all, there are at least three female Prophetess listed in the Bible Deborah, Huldah and Anna.
but let's just say it does mean literally men. while this Scripture did apply to Muhammad initially, it also has meaning for another Messenger who arrives later. why could the understanding of the Scripture not be this
"Nor did We send before you (O woman Messenger) any but men, whom We did inspire..."?
God clearly identifies a Messenger who is coming, who is indeed a woman, in the Bible.
Isaiah 60; Revelation 12
she is even named in the Quran as Becca.
Surah 396, 515
actually, there will be several Messengers
Surah 735it is too much to explain in just comments, but it is explained in detail on youtube, under that same username WhereIsTruth.
peace once more to all of you,
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"They said, 'Did you come to divert us from what we found our parents doing, and to attain positions of prominence for yourselves? We will never join you as Believers.'"
Surah 1078While the context of this Scripture is what Pharaoh accused Moses of desiring to attain a position of prominence, God had this conversation recorded because the Messengers who would arrive right before the Last Day would be accused of the same thing trying to divert people away from the "teachings of their fathers" in order to benefit themselves some how.
peace once more
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peace to everyone,
may God guide us in His straight Path.i have just registered at this site, so i am not really sure how to use it.
this is a reply comment to BelHyou quoted Surah 12109 to show that only men could be Messengers of God
"Nor did We send before thee (as Messengers) any but men, whom We did inspire living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the Hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand? (12-109)"First of all, the word "men" in the Scripture could clearly be a generic reference. after all, there are at least three female Prophetess listed in the Bible Deborah, Huldah and Anna.
but let's just say it does mean literally men. while this Scripture did apply to Muhammad initially, it also has meaning for another Messenger who arrives later. why could the understanding of the Scripture not be this
"Nor did We send before you (O woman Messenger) any but men, whom We did inspire..."?
God clearly identifies a Messenger who is coming, who is indeed a woman, in the Bible.
Isaiah 60; Revelation 12
she is even named in the Quran as Becca.
Surah 396, 515
actually, there will be several Messengers
Surah 735it is too much to explain in just comments, but it is explained in detail on youtube, under that same username WhereIsTruth.
peace once more to all of you,
BeccaPeace
This is in regard to 10-109(
Please note that the red word can only be used for male. Thus, before you (O Male Messenger)
for Male for Female
But Females are welcome to join the Team of the thousands of Messengers that exist in our time who are delivering God's words without adding to it nor discounting from. But if such a person add or discount, then know that he or she is a wicked one.
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Peace
This is in regard to 10-109(
INCORRECT *Please note that the red word can only be used for male. Thus, before you (O Male Messenger)
Is Masculine and Female, when a word does NOT have a feminine marker it is referring to BOTH males and females
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee (Imperfect, 3rd person, singular, Verb Form VIII, assimilation) He chooses from the best of Us/Me, chosen, to take the best of, to be clear, pure; Root word Safa
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 317 (safa)an-nasi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
And when the angels said, O?Maryam/Mary surely Allah has chosen you / istafaki / and purified you and He has chosen you / istafaki / above the women of all nations.
istafaki / SAME Root meaning and word as yastafee /
This issue has already been addressed in regards to Maryam and Saba / Sheba on this page from this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597271.150
This individual (BelH) is just regurgitating the same argument (Be careful who you take your understanding from)
'Speak What You KNOW....not What You THINK'
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peace to everyone,
may God guide us in His straight Path.i have just registered at this site, so i am not really sure how to use it.
this is a reply comment to BelHyou quoted Surah 12109 to show that only men could be Messengers of God
"Nor did We send before thee (as Messengers) any but men, whom We did inspire living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the Hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand? (12-109)"First of all, the word "men" in the Scripture could clearly be a generic reference. after all, there are at least three female Prophetess listed in the Bible Deborah, Huldah and Anna.
but let's just say it does mean literally men. while this Scripture did apply to Muhammad initially, it also has meaning for another Messenger who arrives later. why could the understanding of the Scripture not be this
"Nor did We send before you (O woman Messenger) any but men, whom We did inspire..."?
God clearly identifies a Messenger who is coming, who is indeed a woman, in the Bible.
Isaiah 60; Revelation 12
she is even named in the Quran as Becca.
Surah 396, 515
actually, there will be several Messengers
Surah 735it is too much to explain in just comments, but it is explained in detail on youtube, under that same username WhereIsTruth.
peace once more to all of you,
BeccaPeaec sister and welcome .
I am slowly packing up to move out and you are coming in.
My leaving is due of short time to do my own things and study other way this forum is one of the best same as 19.org one and many other one that their goal is informing and educating others using this era thought and understanding.I am not rejecting for new messengers as far they tell me what is propose of their task and duty if are chosen one.
Glorious Reading itself with its solid proof is earth life time messenger and any body reciting it for uninformed people in any language by correct meaning is automatically messenger . But claiming being chosen one needs Clear Proof . This Clear proof can not repeating same proof as for example opening sea by or stock of Moses, miracles of Jesus , delivering another Quran or using code 19 which has been used by Rashad.
Your claim that name of you is in 396 Becca remember me June 11 1998 when for first ever time I involved in religious discussion and my first time using yahoo board which did not know how to use the tools.
How ever Becca is name of place and there are many other names in GR that any body can claim is he or she.
When authored that GR is complete and detail then it means we close older scripture and our reference would be GR ?Quran Alone? . If you like to use older scripture for your claim you should discard anything is you do not find in GR.
At the end reminding you speeding truth and messages do not need any special assignment or special name by God, any body with clear heart and free of prejudices and hate can perform it as I have witnessed for last 10 years on this screen.
And reminding that rules and laws of GR is for all generation beyond to the end of world and should be considered for the time and location.
We have to do our best by using messages for this era and present time.
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Is Masculine and Female, when a word does NOT have a feminine marker it is referring to BOTH males and females
No; it does not in the case of the verse and this thread.
The evidence supports that God was speaking to Male prophet in 10-109 and not a Female prophet as "whereistruth" claiming. And that is how I understand verses.MTR, Read your Quran and get a life. I could be doing better things than answering to your comments that shows a clear LACK of Intelligence.
tempt
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Assalaam Alaikum
Its quite clear that Allah has chosen and continues to choose Messengers from BOTH Male and Female....
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee (Imperfect, 3rd person, singular, Verb Form VIII, assimilation) He chooses from the best of Us/Me, chosen, to take the best of, to be clear, pure; Root word Safa
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 317 (safa)an-nasi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
And when the angels said, O?Maryam/Mary surely Allah has chosen you / istafaki / and purified you and He has chosen you / istafaki / above the women of all nations.
istafaki / SAME Root meaning and word as yastafee /
Why its an issue for some people, can only be answered by how the female nature is regarded. Those individuals who have been indoctrinated to subjugate and oppress the feminine nature through a 'patriarchal' view of the world will have less regard for the feminine nature.
Those individuals who view the world in 'pluralities' will have regard for the feminine nature as 'equal'.
Maryam,as is the 'model' for ALL Women for ALL times.....Her womb nutured and produced the Messenger of Allah!!!
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Peace all,
I just want to ask some person who knows Arabic grammar if it's true that if the word not is written in feminine it will be genderless?
Maria
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peace BelH,
please let me clarify one thing before you start a false rumor.
i have NEVER claimed to be a Prophet. i am not a Prophetess.
i am a Messenger.
as i explained to Bahman, when he notified me about this conversation on this site
i do not have time to start a whole new debate here.
i cannot kept re-explaining things to each person, or even each group.
please understand, there is only one of me, and many of you.
i invite you to watch my videos, if you like, and ask follow up question there.
i only came here to leave a couple of comments since the conversation was about me.
only God can guide any of us.peace again
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All plural words are BOTH male and female, unless preceded by a preposition/case construct (minha, minhum, etc.)
When we say 'Assalaam AlayKUM', 'Kum' is a plural masculine pronoun, which refers to BOTH male and female.
Actually in the following ayah....
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee / is a feminine verb! and rusulan is plural and an-nasi is plural /
So its clear that the feminine verb yastafee / is determining, who are the Plural, Male & Female 'Human Rasools'
Not a big deal...
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peace BelH,
please let me clarify one thing before you start a false rumor.
i have NEVER claimed to be a Prophet. i am not a Prophetess.
i am a Messenger.
as i explained to Bahman, when he notified me about this conversation on this site
i do not have time to start a whole new debate here.
i cannot kept re-explaining things to each person, or even each group.
please understand, there is only one of me, and many of you.
i invite you to watch my videos, if you like, and ask follow up question there.
i only came here to leave a couple of comments since the conversation was about me.
only God can guide any of us.
peace againPeace Sister
I remember an old Persian expression says
A developed village is better than ten ruined cities.
I think finding you by me on you tube and inviting you here when I was in middle of discussion with one messenger having knife in his hand and other one obsessed to number 19 in his imagination and presence of me which my ex belief do not relates ao any of members on these forums is not coincidence.
Here is forum mixed of all kind people with good back ground in scriptures and their number is small but their understanding of them is more far away so many thousand clicks on my works .
I f same people come to youtube and comment it is valuable but those click without comment has no value .Each topic here and responses have more power and is more informative that thousand clicks on clip.As this forum has been meesengerized and up to now none of them has had Clear Proof now is your turn to go through such test.
It is wasting time to talk about gender of words in the GR . when you have not shown any ?Clear Proof? up to now.
I will be the first one to congratulate you for such assignment by God Alone.
But remember God Authored ?Quran Alone? and any messenger going out of this limit is ruled by Satan.
Manipulating minds of people by mixing 2-3-4 ?. Scriptures together is wrong .
God Alone Quran Alone.
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istafaki / SAME Root meaning and word as yastafee /
is for Female;
When God speaks to a Female He uses feminine Words like the above example (3-42) for Mariam.
peace BelH,
please let me clarify one thing before you start a false rumor.
i have NEVER claimed to be a Prophet. i am not a Prophetess.
i am a Messenger.
as i explained to Bahman, when he notified me about this conversation on this site
i do not have time to start a whole new debate here.
i cannot kept re-explaining things to each person, or even each group.
please understand, there is only one of me, and many of you.
i invite you to watch my videos, if you like, and ask follow up question there.
i only came here to leave a couple of comments since the conversation was about me.
only God can guide any of us.peace again
Peace Sister
I have no problem for any one to claim he or she a Messenger of God until that person starts to add or discount from God's words.As I told you, I disagree with you when you translated 10-109 as "O Female Messenger". The verse clearly speaks to a Male Prophet, and specifically, Prophet Mohamed.
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peace BelH and Bahman,
i did not translate that scripture to say "O Female Messenger"...i put that in brackets for explanation, which i clearly explained before i did it.
i have presented clear proof Bahman. God's Messenger is suppose to be able to recite and explain God's Revelations, plural. anyone can come to their own conclusion as to whether i am doing that or not by considering the videos.
there a numerous Scriptures in the Quran that show you are to believe in the Torah, Gospel, and the Quran. many are presented in Part 46 of my videos. the invalid excuse that those in any sect of Islam use to reject the Bible is discussed in Part 74. basically, the Bible was ALREADY altered BEFORE we were given the Quran...God says so in the Quran...so the fact that they have been altered is an invalid excuse to completely reject the Bible. besides, God is Omniscient. He would have never said so clearly and so often instructed us to believe in the Previous Scriptures, and what was given to All the Prophets, if at anytime those Words would be too altered to do so. with the Quran we know what was altered.
the Truth is most of the Bible is True and Important. the reason your Imams have conditioned you to reject the Bible, is because the Bible exposes that the things done in ALL Sects of Islam...the repetitious prayers...the idolatrous unQuranic circling a kissing of a black cube, and other things...are wrong.
even to the Submitter i will ask...where does the Quran tell you to circle a black cube seven times??? if you truly follow the Quran only...where are you getting that from?please understand, i have already explained this over and over. My only duty is to deliver the Message. it is God who guides whomever HE pleases.
i do not need anyone's recognition. God knows who His Messengers are.
believe as you do, and so i will i, and so will everyone else.
in the end, God will tell us the Truth of all that we did.i invite all of you to the Message, you can accept or decline.
i do not have time for debate here. my hands are very full. the work needs to be kept in one area.
i have been invited to many sites and chat rooms, but i have to turn it down because i certainly cannot keep explaining the same things over and over. the videos and comments on youtube are heavy backed by Scripture. in fact, many of the videos are virtually nothing but Scripture.
perhaps many of you will consider them, God willing.peace to all of you,
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Peace all
there a numerous Scriptures in the Quran that show you are to believe in the Torah, Gospel, and the Quran. many are presented in Part 46 of my videos.
I agree; I and others have said that before in this forum and other places.
the invalid excuse that those in any sect of Islam use to reject the Bible is discussed in Part 74. basically, the Bible was ALREADY altered BEFORE we were given the Quran...God says so in the Quran...so the fact that they have been altered is an invalid excuse to completely reject the Bible.
Can you please tell me where God says that the Bible and Torah were altered?
besides, God is Omniscient. He would have never said so clearly and so often instructed us to believe in the Previous Scriptures, and what was given to All the Prophets, if at anytime those Words would be too altered to do so. with the Quran we know what was altered.
That is why I think that the Original Bible and Torah still exist and the altered versions are the translated ones-as in the case of the translated versions of Quran.
the Truth is most of the Bible is True and Important. the reason your Imams have conditioned you to reject the Bible, is because the Bible exposes that the things done in ALL Sects of Islam...the repetitious prayers...the idolatrous unQuranic circling a kissing of a black cube, and other things...are wrong.
I do not have an Imam, but I have My Lord who Teaches and Guide those who seek his Guidance.
even to the Submitter i will ask...where does the Quran tell you to circle a black cube seven times??? if you truly follow the Quran only...where are you getting that from?
Most of the people if not all say what you are saying; thus we agree.
i invite all of you to the Message, you can accept or decline.
I accept as it is the same Message that I and most of us have been following for years.
May God Bless you and protect you from any harms.Now, can you tell me how did God communicated to You? and what was the content of the communication?
And; did they tell you about your age (in what age will you die)?
Peace
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BelH
And when the angels said, O?Maryam/Mary surely Allah has chosen you / istafaki / and purified you and He has chosen you / istafaki / above the women of all nations.
Your off point, the issue is not 'how Allah references females'
Again, the grammatical rule, when a word does NOT have a feminine marker it is referring to BOTH males and females
Al-Hajj 22.75] Allah chooses / yastafee / messengers / rusulan / from angels and from human beings / an-nasi / for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).
yastafee (Imperfect, 3rd person, singular, Verb Form VIII, assimilation) He chooses from the best of Us/Me, chosen, to take the best of, to be clear, pure; Root word Safa
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 317 (safa)an-nasi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
Rusulan (fu"ul = both singular & plural, Indefinite, Nasb, Irregular Plural) Messenger/Messengers
Irregular plurals that refer to humans, like Rusulan / , are often treated as plurals and refer to males & females
The gender of an irregular plural noun will not always match the gender of its singular. Classically, all irregular plurals were considered and treated as singular feminine nouns.
Allah chooses Female and Male Messengers
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yastafee (Imperfect, 3rd person, singular, Verb Form VIII, assimilation) He chooses from the best of Us/Me, chosen, to take the best of, to be clear, pure; Root word Safa
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 317 (safa)an-nasi means human beings, plural; Root word anisa See Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 38-39 (anisa)
Rusulan (fu"ul = both singular & plural, Indefinite, Nasb, Irregular Plural) Messenger/Messengers
Irregular plurals that refer to humans, like Rusulan / , are often treated as plurals and refer to males & females
The gender of an irregular plural noun will not always match the gender of its singular. Classically, all irregular plurals were considered and treated as singular feminine nouns.
Allah chooses Female and Male Messengers
In the case of plural, God uses Masculine. but when singular , God uses the proper noun and verb, as in the case of 10-109, which our main focus, for now.
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This statement doesnt make any sense...."In the case of plural, God uses Masculine. but when singular , God uses the proper noun and verb, as in the case of 10-109, which our main focus, for now."
Nor did We send before you any but men & women / qabliKA illa rijalan / , whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will you not then understand?
qabliKA meaning 'You', a 2nd person masculine, present tense pronoun, again referring to BOTH Male and Females
rijalan / is a broken plural, pattern of ?fi?alun?, masculine & FEMININE, irregular (broken) plural nouns are grammatically singular nouns that refer to plural units or to large amounts of uncountable objects.
Again, same rules apply, Irregular plurals that refer to humans, like Rijalan / , are often treated as plurals and refer to males & females
The gender of an irregular plural noun will not always match the gender of its singular. Classically, all irregular plurals were considered and treated as singular feminine nouns.
Again, Allah chooses Messengers from Men and Women...