Muhammad is a White Man?
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You have followed a mindset that is in conflict with the statement that Iblis refused to bow, because he was of the jinn race. He refused to do the will of God. Any human can be muslim.
And some jinn too. However, satan refused. And this does not support your racist statment. Indeed it is Iblis here, who is the racist. -
Hey Progod,
I understand your reaction to what I said about Caucasians but please don't misunderstand me. I am not trying to promote one race over another. All I'm saying is that in the beginning their were two races. One happened to have black skin and the other white skin. It doesn't really matter what color their skin was. I myself am a mix of European Caucasian, Central American Native and Palestinian Semite. I may very well have blood from the original Jinn race in me. I think we have to stop thinking in terms of race as we understand it today. No one is pure anymore. We should just say their were to types of men created and they had different skin color for whatever reason God chose this to be. Research the origins of the words Al Jinn and Al Insan. You will see what I'm talking about. These are clearly separate titles that God used to describe the different lineages.
Who really cares what color they were in the beginning, except to understand our history. Also notice how I mentioned above that despite the fact that this pair of races were created separately and as enemies, God with his divine sense of humor, made it physically impossible for us not to interbreed. Man I love Gods sense of humor and irony. Despite our different origins, we are forced to interact and work together. However, their still exist some Jinn families who are hell bent on fulfilling Iblis' goal of trying to take as many Insan to hell with him, through idolatry. The only way they can guarantee success.
Yes, many people who you would look at and in first glance call Caucasian are indeed of the Insan bloodline or mostly of it. But what is a Caucasian to you nowadays anyway? Someone who is REALLY white or just a little white? Or do they have to be from Armenia? I think you are getting upset mostly about semantics. The word Caucasian does not stand for either Insan or Jinn or any race for that matter. It is a relatively new word that people generally identify with anyone who has a lighter shade of skin. So yes, some so called Caucasians are Insan AND some so called Caucasians are Al Jinn. It's common sense to see it that way. Besides, even modern science has put a thorn in the side of racism based on skin color because now we can trace our racial ancestries through genetic blood lines and not by our shade of black or white or brown.
The word race is a misnomer today. It really cant describe accurately what race really is because we always connect it with skin color. Race is simply ancestry and bloodlines, or in other words families, tribes etc, and in the beginning there were 2 families. Al Jinn and Al Insan. Everything in pairs brother. I love the way God works.
BTW, its nice to be active again on these boards. Hope everyone is fairing well.
Peace
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You have followed a mindset that is in conflict with the statement that Iblis refused to bow, because he was of the jinn race. He refused to do the will of God. Any human can be muslim.
And some jinn too. However, satan refused. And this does not support your racist statment. Indeed it is Iblis here, who is the racist.Hey Mr. Deen,
I don't quite follow what you are saying here, but I do agree that Iblis was the racist. He simply could not consider himself as an equal to Adam and his lineage. This is why he was damned from the get go. And this is why a small minority of people alive today who are very obsessive with their direct genetic line to Iblis are still trying to carry out his plan of trying to drag as many Insan to hell with them. However there are some members of these Jinn families that don't walk the walk of their first father.
Think about it. What is the main form of corruption that has infiltrated every religion? That's right Idolatry or shirk. Remember, the only unforgivable sin if practiced until death? The Hadith, the Talmud, the Straw man of Jesus, all of these things are innovations of the very Human Jinn living among us coercing us all towards idolatry through our ignorance. It's easy to identify them because God revealed their master plan to us all in Quran. They have specific character traits, one being arrogance but over all it is their master plan that will identify them. Anyone who manipulates us towards Shirk on a mass scale willingly is definitely a Jinn. Think United Nations and their call to a New world order and religion of earth worship. It's all there. Thank God for Quran or we might still really be in the dark as to who these people are and what they are up to.
peace brother
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Amin74 Jesus was white, in other words?
No Jesus was black and a direct line of Al Insan. Even in the Bible he frequently makes this known by calling himself the Son of Man. The Son of Man means of the lineage of Adam. He also uses the dichotomy of the two races when he confronts the corrupt Pharisees on the Mount of Olives as seen in John 8, who were no doubt of a much paler skin tone. He first makes a strong emphasis on his own origins when asked who he is by the Pharisees by almost sternly proclaiming he is the Son of Man, or of Adams blood line, then he turns to the Pharisees and openly proclaims them to not only be NOT of Jesus' ancestry but children or descendants of the Devil. Read it. Its quite good. It was these Pharisees and their heritage that were responsible for the mammoth tome of Talmud, the idolatrous addition to Judaism, the equivalent to Islam's hadith. The Jinn at work.
Peace
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http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/4/171/
No, he calls himself Son of Man, is because he is of fatherless origin, like Adam.
What is your commentary on the above verse, where Jesus is said to be a spirit of God? (and according to you, Jesus by this, is a decendant of Satan, and white)
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http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/4/171/
No, he calls himself Son of Man, is because he is of fatherless origin, like Adam.
What is your commentary on the above verse, where Jesus is said to be a spirit of God? (and according to you, Jesus by this, is a decendant of Satan, and white)
Mr. Deen,
Right now, based on the evidence I have collected, I am leaning more towards the concept that Mary was not a virgin and that Jesus was born the old fashioned way just like the rest of the prophets. But that is another topic. However if this were true than he couldn't possibly be speaking of a fatherless birth when mentioning the Son of Man. I'm quite sure that his Son of Man reference was about his lineage to Adam's blood line. Also, it may have been that his father was Gabriel in human form...hmmmm. I noticed in that link you showed me, that the word for spirit might be equated with Gabriel. If so, perhaps Gabriel was his father, but Mary would have been a black woman and of the Al Insan bloodline which would make Jesus also a Son of Man or a descendant of Adam. Also, if you look at every other reference to Angels in Quran when they interact with people, they are always in the form of Men or humans. As if, once Angels enter the physical world they must take human form. Both Lut and Abraham were fooled into thinking their angelic guests were just human. If this is the case, then it would make sense that when Gabriel visited Mary he was in Human form and perhaps he procreated with her. But Gabriel is not Iblis as Iblis is a completely different personality and came to Earth the same time Adam did and fathered children as Adam did. In other words Iblis was just a mortal man. So I don't see how you equate this with Jesus being white and a son of Iblis. Besides, do we know what color Gabriel's skin was when he came to Mary in human form? Me thinks he would have chosen to appear much like the people of the area and been black, but who knows. Interesting, but now that you have reminded me, I think I have heard of this theory of angelic copulation which lead to Jesus birth before. Have to look into it more.
Peace
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MTR,
Progod...
The indigenous population of Senegal, Tooba and various other regions are NOT speaking 'Arabic'...
They speak Woloof and dialects related to Woloof NOT 'Arabic'
'Arabic' is NOT Woloof, yet its used as a 'common' language, just like english or swahili
Again, Speak what you KNOW not what you THINK
Ok, either you don't speak English well or you can't read very well.
The indigenous population of Senegal, Tooba and various other regions are NOT speaking 'Arabic'...
First of all Tooba is in Senegal, I think you know this already but this sentence belies your understanding. Secondly some Senegalese do speak Arabic. if they don't speak it natively (as most of the population doesn't) they can learn it in school instead of French (which is the official language of the country and most people learn French instead of Arabic). Secondly I said that before Colonialism, Arabic was the language of scholarship among the Muslim population of Senegal (who are the majority). Just as in Timbuktu everyone studied Arabic as well, and many still do learn and speak Arabic in Timbuktu, although French is also the official language of Mali (where they speak BAMBARA and NOT BEMDARA!) and most people learn French (instead of Arabic) in school in Mali. But there are populations of people from Mauritanian families who live in Senegal and who are native Hassaniyah Arabic speakers. But even these families learn Wolof on the street and French (or Classical Arabic or MSA if they choose) in school.
'Arabic' is NOT Woloof, yet its used as a 'common' language, just like english or swahili
I never said that Arabic is Wolof. So why are you even saying this? Actually French is the most common language in Senegal. Wolof is the National langauge because most Senegalese are of the Wolof ethnicity. But there are also the Soninke, the Fulani, Mauritanian families and other ethnicities with their own langauges who live in Senegal, hence if any of these ethnicities hasn't learned Wolof, they can use French to communicate. Before Colonialism Classical Arabic was fulfilling the role that French does now as a language of education, scholarship and trade. And since most Senegalese are Muslims and interested in the Quran and other Islamic traditions that are written in Classical Arabic they gladly accepted learning Classical Arabic and using it as a lingua franca and a langauge of education. That is, until French Colonialism came.
Again, Speak what you KNOW not what you THINK
I AM speaking what I know. Unfortunately you are speaking what you DON'T KNOW.
I think at this point I have made my points clear and exposed your ignorance. You need to let go of your pride and go open up some books on these issues.
Godbless,
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Mr. Deen,
Right now, based on the evidence I have collected, I am leaning more towards the concept that Mary was not a virgin and that Jesus was born the old fashioned way just like the rest of the prophets. But that is another topic. However if this were true than he couldn't possibly be speaking of a fatherless birth when mentioning the Son of Man. I'm quite sure that his Son of Man reference was about his lineage to Adam's blood line. Also, it may have been that his father was Gabriel in human form...hmmmm. I noticed in that link you showed me, that the word for spirit might be equated with Gabriel. If so, perhaps Gabriel was his father, but Mary would have been a black woman and of the Al Insan bloodline which would make Jesus also a Son of Man or a descendant of Adam. Also, if you look at every other reference to Angels in Quran when they interact with people, they are always in the form of Men or humans. As if, once Angels enter the physical world they must take human form. Both Lut and Abraham were fooled into thinking their angelic guests were just human. If this is the case, then it would make sense that when Gabriel visited Mary he was in Human form and perhaps he procreated with her. But Gabriel is not Iblis as Iblis is a completely different personality and came to Earth the same time Adam did and fathered children as Adam did. In other words Iblis was just a mortal man. So I don't see how you equate this with Jesus being white and a son of Iblis. Besides, do we know what color Gabriel's skin was when he came to Mary in human form? Me thinks he would have chosen to appear much like the people of the area and been black, but who knows. Interesting, but now that you have reminded me, I think I have heard of this theory of angelic copulation which lead to Jesus birth before. Have to look into it more.
Peace
cough for the sake of argument. And if Iblis has decendants, of which Jesus is not (he is of fatherless origin), who is Iblis contemporary today? Maybe a man named Charles? And why doesn't the Quran warn of this Charles?
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Mr. Deen,
Quote "cough for the sake of argument. And if Iblis has decendants, of which Jesus is not (he is of fatherless origin), who is Iblis contemporary today? Maybe a man named Charles? And why doesn't the Quran warn of this Charles?"
Beats me.... maybe David Rothschild or Prince Charles...or hey,...maybe Obama? The Quran warns us of Al Jinn. If there is reference to a specific person I am not aware of it. But I think its not important to focus on one personality but on the entire families or tribes so to speak.
BTW, whats your take on the fact that Quran ALWAYS mentions Angels in HUMAN form when they mingle with people and prophets??
Peace
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Peace Mr Deen,
cough for the sake of argument. And if Iblis has decendants, of which Jesus is not (he is of fatherless origin), who is Iblis contemporary today? Maybe a man named Charles? And why doesn't the Quran warn of this Charles?
The Quran warns of Satan/Iblis and his decendants throughout the message, but many are not aware.
Peace Amin74,
BTW, whats your take on the fact that Quran ALWAYS mentions Angels in HUMAN form when they mingle with people and prophets??
The Quran explains this as well. Everything in the spirit realm is in spirit form (i.e. without mass), and everything in the earth/physical realm is in a physical form. That's why Adam was made from "black mud" and placed on the earth, in the physical realm. When the angels come down to this planet/realm, they also get a physical form, and this is shown in many examples in the Quran, including the stories of Lot, Abraham, Mary, etc. When they come down to the earth, they are "dressed" as humans and in our form (69). When they return to GOD, they do so in a spirit form.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Dear brother, Al Khidr
I think you are as racist as the white men you condemn. Here are a few points
- Differences in colors are not major differences... It is only skin deep.
- Adam being created from black clay or mud does not necessarily make him black nor mud. But, Adam, our homo sapien ancestor was most likely from Africa and had dark skin.
- Muhammad was an Arab and Arabs are not black.
- Arabs were cousins of Jews and they are not black either.
- God sends messengers to every nation; to blacks, to whites, to yellow and brown people.
- Remember that Satan disobeyed God's instruction because he bragged about its genealogy.
- Beware of charlatan leaders who live like kings while some of their supporters struggle for food.
- Remember 4913
Peace
Edip YukselPeace,
Edip YukselWhite or black, racism originates from ignorance and arrogance and as an Satanic ideology, it plants the seeds of hostility among the children of Adam.
Peace,
Edip
Peace,
Edip -
White or black, racism originates from ignorance and arrogance and as an Satanic ideology, it plants the seeds of hostility among the children of Adam.
Exactly. And Obama is a decendant of Satan, the jinn? He is a jinn? Ok, following this logic.. Obama inherits the qualities of Satan, which would not be a far off relative, since
the earliest abrahamic scriptures we know (judaism) is atleast 10000 years old, and he was still alive at the time of Mohammed (pbuh). This will be the longest president running we have ever had! -
Exactly. And Obama is a decendant of Satan, the jinn? He is a jinn? Ok, following this logic.. Obama inherits the qualities of Satan, which would not be a far off relative, since
the earliest abrahamic scriptures we know (judaism) is atleast 10000 years old, and he was still alive at the time of Mohammed (pbuh). This will be the longest president running we have ever had!Mr. Deen,
I was just kidding about Obama. Anyway, Iblis is dead. He grew old and died just like Adam and all other mortal men on Earth. Iblis has descendants just like Adam did. They know their ancestry and lineage and know where they came from. I also agree about Edip's comment. Iblis was very arrogant and he passed that trait onto his following generations. I also agree that skin color doesn't matter, that's why I prefer to use the words Allah gave us in Quran to describe the two different races. Al Jinn and Al Insan, rather then split hairs over what color their skin was.
Peace
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Peace Amin74,
Anyway, Iblis is dead. He grew old and died just like Adam and all other mortal men on Earth. Iblis has descendants just like Adam did. They know their ancestry and lineage and know where they came from. I also agree about Edip's comment. Iblis was very arrogant and he passed that trait onto his following generations. I also agree that skin color doesn't matter, that's why I prefer to use the words Allah gave us in Quran to describe the two different races. Al Jinn and Al Insan, rather then split hairs over what color their skin was.
I disagree with this, to an extent. Knowing the skin colors of the people can give us insight into their lineage, and this enables us to differentiate between Adam's offspring and Iblis' offspring. Contrary to some people's opinions, if something is molded from BLACK mud or clay, that makes the object BLACK, plain and simple. If Adam was molded from RED mud, it would make his skin RED, and in turn, all his decendants would also have red skin. If Adam's wife was molded from Adam, then this would also make her skin "hamaa"/black, and also their children. These are facts of reproduction. Children take on the physical characteristics of their parents, and this is based on genetic distribution and featural dominance. Since both Adam and Eve were black, they could not have physically produced red, yellow, white, or blue children. It's not physically possible. The only exception to this is through the spread of albinism, and if the people were living in hot weather conditions during that time period (i.e. Africa), children living with albinism would've developed skin cancer. Regardless, though, this is unlikely since, if Adam and Eve were the first humans, they had no recessive genes and therefore couldn't have produced albino children. So, that means the genealogy of people who weren't "hamaa"/black during that time period must've come from ancestors other than the first pair of humans.
On the contrary, if Adam, who was "hamaa"/black, reproduced with a person of a different race/color (i.e. white, red, blue, etc.), it is possible that the offspring could've been exhibiting a different skin texture and color, and this is likewise the case for Eve. Now, according to the Jewish legend, Satan/Iblis was banished to the earth, where, in Adam's absence, he reproduced with Eve, breeding Cain. So, since Satan/Iblis was NOT molded from this black mud, his skin would not be black, and in reproducing with Eve, his decendants would also not have black skin. Also, Cain is said to have been cursed with leprosy, and therefore his offspring may have been more succeptible to recessive genes (i.e. lighter skin, lighter eyes, etc.). Considering the fact that Adam and Eve didn't have any recessive genes, this is the most likely root of the biological makeup of the separate races and genetic characteristics that separate humanity today... I'm not saying all blacks are decendants of Adam and all whites are decendants of Satan, and I'm don't believe in the racist ideologies of some of the world's modern-day pseudo-Muslims. However, it's foolish to say that color and race mean nothing in terms of genealogy. In the process of separating "al-jinn" from "al-insan", skin color could very well play a huge part in telling the difference between the two...
Peace,
Ahmad
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I can't believe some of what was written here is actually seriously believed by people. White people descendants of Iblis? Black mud being a reference to skin color? Give me a break, does everything have to be about race? I've never really thought about it like this before but after reading the website linked to in the very beginning of this thread I've come to the conclusion that people who like to characterise entire masses of people based on superficialities like skin color only do so because they are insecure concerning something about themselves. That webpage screams "inferiority complex," I'm not saying the author is "inferior" (whatever that is supposed to mean) in any way, but that he or she is exaggerating and fabricating differences between different skin colors because of some personal insecurities. This is the same kind of angst that fuels white supremacist and nazi groups (Hitler being a perfect example now that I think about it)
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Edip,
I agree with you in general but you said two wrong things.
- Muhammad was an Arab and Arabs are not black.
- Arabs were cousins of Jews and they are not black either.
There are black Arabs, and some of them are Native to Saudi Arabia. The Mahra are an example of this
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeJFoK9jWLshttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsXVRmahwko
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHz7CbOxTV8
http//www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter47/text47.htm
As for Jews being black there are also black Jews.
http//www.blackjews.org/
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HDHR3Ck3BE
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmcEPv9F_Ao
http//www.mindspring.com/~jaypsand/index.htm
And if Moses' (God bless him) hand turned white, he could not have been white.
And if you take it from the Bible, Arabs are mixed with Black Egyptians. Remember Hagar? And there are a whole other slew of children of Mizraim that mixed with the children of Mizraim and I believe aslo Kush. And Moses married an Ethiopian and I'm sure they intermarried with the black Egyptians during their stay in Egypt. So despite this issue of cousins of Shem and Ham and etc, if we take the children of Ham as black (and assume that the other brothers were not black) then if your read through the Bible you will see that the children of Ham intermixed heavily with the children of Ham. Even Nimrod, who founded Ur, was a Hamite
Godbless,
Anwar