The Shahada
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Peace all
Brother, if you are going to accept the Quran as a divine message, then you have to Believe and Testify that the ONE WHO WROTE AND DELIVER IT is a true Prophet and Messenger of God. If you understand that the Prophet did not deliver other message beside the Quran, then you are not committing Shrik.
Good Luck and May God Bless.one can accept the quran as a devine messege WTHOUT having to testify, shahada has nothing to do with mohamad its about beleiving in a being that we cannot see that is the purpose of shahada,
as gods law we are not allowed as humans to do shahada in court on something we did not see, but the fact that we cannot see god and we do shahada that is our proof to god our faith in him.
i do beleive mohamad was seen by many no need to do shahada on him -
one can accept the quran as a devine messege WTHOUT having to testify, shahada has nothing to do with mohamad its about beleiving in a being that we cannot see that is the purpose of shahada,
as gods law we are not allowed as humans to do shahada in court on something we did not see, but the fact that we cannot see god and we do shahada that is our proof to god our faith in him.
i do beleive mohamad was seen by many no need to do shahada on himDo you testify that Mohamed was a Prophet and Messenger of God?
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Peace all
This is my own humble understanding
-La illaha ill allah (No God but Allah) is always mentiond alone in the Quran , never assossiated with any prophet name.
-If what is meant by the Shehada is what one say when he become a submitter, God told us that he had given an example for everything we need.
3058 And We have put forth for the people in this Qur?an of every example.I think it will be in these verses
2131 When his Lord said to him ?Submit,? he said ?I submit to the Lord of the worlds.?
2744 It was said to her ?Enter the palace.? So when she saw it she thought there was a pool, and she uncovered her legs. He said ?It is a palace paved with crystal.? She said ?My Lord, I have wronged myself; and I submit with Solomon to God, the Lord of the worlds.?
peace
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Salaam Belalhammad,
Do you testify that Mohamed was a Prophet and Messenger of God?
According to the Quraan, we are discouraged from testifying/bearing witness about the prophets; this testimony is for Allah alone. That's why, in all the verses speaking about ones testifying to the prophets' messengership, the Quran repeatedly states that Allah is enough of a witness. The only verse speaking of an actual testimony given to Mohammed was rejected by GOD, and He called them hypocrites.
Peace,
Ahmad
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According to the Quraan, we are discouraged from testifying/bearing witness about the prophets; this testimony is for Allah alone. That's why, in all the verses speaking about ones testifying to the prophets' messengership, the Quran repeatedly states that Allah is enough of a witness. The only verse speaking of an actual testimony given to Mohammed was rejected by GOD, and He called them hypocrites.
Peace Ahmad
Do you testify that the Person who wrote the Quran for Us is a Messenger of God?
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Do you testify that Mohamed was a Prophet and Messenger of God?
i dont testify to anyone but god i witness that god is one
and as far as mohamad he was a messenger and his messege sent and recieved that was his job, whats the point of me testifying but not following the messege he brought from god as millions of muslims do today -
So, apparently you are testifying that Mohamed is the Messenger of God.
no im not testifying im telling you he is a messenger, but i would never say it in a shahada, just as god knows hes his messenger but he never did shahada tha mohamad is his messenger.
but now im confused again, i thought quran alone people knew they shouldnt do shahada for mohamad, so not only do you not trust in god alone when coming to reading quran to teach you, you rely on translations and interpertations from other humans, but now you do shahada for mohamad as well. well in submission that in itself is shirk.... i dont know la ilaha ila allah......allah yihdi ljami3 -
no im not testifying im telling you he is a messenger, but i would never say it in a shahada, just as god knows hes his messenger but he never did shahada tha mohamad is his messenger.
but now im confused again, i thought quran alone people knew they shouldnt do shahada for mohamad, so not only do you not trust in god alone when coming to reading quran to teach you, you rely on translations and interpertations from other humans, but now you do shahada for mohamad as well. well in submission that in itself is shirk.... i dont know la ilaha ila allah......allah yihdi ljami3Here are my views in regard shahada
Salam
There are the Verses(٦
How shall Allah guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that clear signs had come unto them? But Allah guides not a people unjust. (86-3) Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all mankind. (87)(١
When the Hypocrites come to thee, they say "We bear witness that thou art indeed the Messenger of Allah." Yea, Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His Messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the Hypocrites are indeed liars. (63-1)In these two verses, we can note that the Shahada was required from the people who came to the prophet to accept Islam. Moreover, one can ask what is the different between Jews & Christian? The answer is, the Jews do not testify that Jesus is the Prophet of God, and therefore, they rejected the Bible. And the same goes when asking what is the different between Jews, Christian, and Moslem (True Moslem)? The answer is the Testifying ?The Shahada?.
God Bless
Dear Tay
As we all know, every thing we do is Halal for us except what God excluded in the Quran; thus, testifying that the Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) is the prophet of God, as well as Jesus, Moses, Ibrhim... are the Prophets of God is not Haram, ?prohibited?, or something new that was invented in the religion.
My point is, if you and the group hold the same views regarding rejecting the Shahada, there will be very minimum chance to gather audiences from the Moslem World--they will reject you.
Shahada only for the new comers who did not accept the Quran before as the words of God, and for them to accept it, they have to accept the person whom was revealed to as the prophet of God.
I know that most of us suffered from many of the traditional Islamic teachings, but we cannot let our disliking make us reject every thing, including the right teachings.
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Here are my views in regard shahada
first of all im not looking for an audience, i am simply stating what i beleive, and if people want to do or say only to get an audience, well we know what god says of that, it is very clear in the quran that the majority is always in the wrong, as for chapter 631 http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597475.msg186326#msg186326
but i do not see a chapter for the other aya even though i have a pretty good idea what it is saying or implying but to be on the safe side if you can get me the chapter number it would be helpful -
but i do not see a chapter for the other aya even though i have a pretty good idea what it is saying or implying but to be on the safe side if you can get me the chapter number it would be helpful
Chapter three;
please note that any one who is accepting the Quran as a divine Message, he or she will have to testify that the person who Wrote that book for them is a Messenger of God; otherwise, why they are following the Book.If I were to be a new Moslem, who had no religion, first I will have to testify that there is no God But Allah (The One); second, in order for me to accept the Quran to be the words of Allah, I have to accept the person who wrote it as a True Prophet of God.
But if I were a Jew or a Christian, I had testified before that there is no God but the One (Alloha or YHOW); So, what will make me a Moslem is to accept the Quran and the Person who wrote it. -
Chapter three;
please note that any one who is accepting the Quran as a divine Message, he or she will have to testify that the person who Wrote that book for them is a Messenger of God; otherwise, why they are following the Book.If I were to be a new Moslem, who had no religion, first I will have to testify that there is no God But Allah (The One); second, in order for me to accept the Quran to be the words of Allah, I have to accept the person who wrote it as a True Prophet of God.
But if I were a Jew or a Christian, I had testified before that there is no God but the One (Alloha or YHOW); So, what will make me a Moslem is to accept the Quran and the Person who wrote it.is that a condition that one must testify, well i am a muslim and i dont testify, but i know he is a messenger and the very fact that i read quran proves that i beleive he was a messenger and that the quran is the word of god.
god is talking about the kafireen,which everything is nullified when it comes to them, that in itself proves that even if they did shahada it doesnt mean anything just like the monafiqeen, and that is also in there time, they didnt do shahada that he is a rasool they did it as he is true to what he says, but then again it really doesnt matter waht they say they are kufar.... god did shahda to himself, if it was abligatory do you not think that god would have added mohamad to the shahada in the quran in 318
even if you read the ayat after 386 it shows that these very people will enter hell or be punished -
3 86 How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they witnessed that the messenger is true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.
631 When the hypocrites come to you they say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
According to the previous verses my understanding is that we should testify sincerly that Mohamed is the messneger of God. The hypocrites testified but they were not sincere, they were lying.
But still i dont put this testmony in conjuction with la illah ila allah, cos la illah illa allah is always mentioned alone in the quraanIf I were to be a new Moslem, who had no religion, first I will have to testify that there is no God But Allah
And what about saying I submitt to the Lord of the world " " according to the stories of Ibrahim and the queen of chiba?
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Peace BelH,
Do you testify that the Person who wrote the Quran for Us is a Messenger of God?
Yes or No answer please, so we can move on.No. I ACKNOWLEDGE that Mohammed is a messenger of GOD, but I don't testify about other than Allah. GOD is enough of a witness for the messengership of the prophets.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Belh
salam
We cannot be a witness to the fact that Mohammad was/is a messenger, because we were not present, and hence we did not witness while he was being crowned/authorised as a prohphet/messenger in/by devine hierchey, and if we do so, we are jumping the gun and telling a lie.
peace
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is that a condition that one must testify, well i am a muslim and i dont testify,
I'm talking about the new comers and not you, as the thread is focusing on. The Thread is about a New Moslem.
I believe He should testify that the writer of the Quran is a prophet of God; otherwise, why would he accept the Quran.Belh
salam
We cannot be a witness to the fact that Mohammad was/is a messenger, because we were not present, and hence we did not witness while he was being crowned/authorised as a prohphet/messenger in/by devine hierchey, and if we do so, we are jumping the gun and telling a lie.
Peace
So in your words we can not testify that there is Haven or Hellfire nor their is Judgment Day. We can Testify about the unseen if God showed us the truth about it. We can Testify that the Prophet Mohamed is God Messenger because God Said so in the Quran.Peace BelH,
No. I ACKNOWLEDGE that Mohammed is a messenger of GOD, but I don't testify about other than Allah. GOD is enough of a witness for the messengership of the prophets.
Peace,
Ahmad
If God is a Witness then why should not you be a witness as well.
And what about saying I submitt to the Lord of the world " " according to the stories of Ibrahim and the queen of chiba?
Sure, I say that all the time and I never included Mohamed with it; The shahada we are talking about is for the New Moslems when accepting Islam.
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salam rashidala.
I think, a Shahada which just had "There is no God but God" in arabic would be quite sufficient..
there are many who claim to believe in god, and few who witness they believe in god and the messenger muhammad.
because the message, conveyed by muhammad to mankind, completes the faith, to exclude the name of him as a messenger, introduces ambiguity.
to say, there is no god but god and moses is his messenger, or, there is no god but god and jesus is his messenger, or to say, there is no god but god, introduces ambiguity.
the ambiguity introduced is, the witness does not acknowledge he has received the complete faith.allah is the truth.
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According to the previous verses my understanding is that we should testify sincerly that Mohamed is the messneger of God.
Perhaps you did not read my posting on this threat.. I will not repost it, but I think if you read it you would not insist on adding Muhammad's name into Shahadah. Furthermore, "Muhammad IS NOT a messenger of God" but "Muhammad WAS a Messenger of God" If you have not heard it yet, here is the news Muhammad died about 14 centuries ago.
Peace,
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Peace BelH,
No. I ACKNOWLEDGE that Mohammed is a messenger of GOD, but I don't testify about other than Allah. GOD is enough of a witness for the messengership of the prophets.
Peace,
Ahmad
Well said Ahmad... But, the main issue is this Why they insist adding Muhammad's name when they testify for the ONENESS of God? The answer is clear Satan wants to make that statement merely half lip-service.
Peace,
Edip