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    farida
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    Testifying there is no God but God has a greater meaning that you and every one should know;
    When I say I testify that there is no God can be worshiped Except Allah, I have the following intention

    There is no one can be OBEYED except ALLAH.

    God knows that all the people of the Book believe that there is no God but Him; thus He want us to know that No one can be Obeyed (worshiped) except Him; no Bukkary, no Wahabi, no Emam or any other false religious Lords.
    And that is the True Meaning and essence of the Shahadda every one is talking about in this thread.

    Salaam,
    Obeying is not the primary issue here, first we need to have solid belief that God is watchful over us and HE is the provider. No one could harm us or benefit us, NO one can bring an end to our life, Nor can any one give us the relief from the suffering Except God, All our affairs are in the complete control God, when one instil this belief without any doubt only then he gets rids of all other gods who induce fear in us to control our lives. It is the fear that stops us from doing our duty towards God so when we are feeling scared we need to remind us the Kalima consciously "there is no other gods but God, all powers lies with GOD" only with this faith, we can get rid of fear of false power, who are nothing but inflated bubbles about to burst.
    In todays world JIHAD (striving against wrong) has been made to look like evil word and many do not use this word because of the fear of bubbles around us so if you do really want to give shahada testify it with your deeds showing complete faith in the power of God, otherwise its nothing but empty words.

    How does one worship God? By standing up against all wrongful practices ie the Jihad imposed on all of us promoting truth and eradicating false hood creating a just and fair society and be mindful of our duty to others by treating others as we would like to be treated.

    peace

    peace

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      belH
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      Peace BelH,

      That is not true at all. The shahaada prescribed by God is, "La ilaaha ila Allah" (There is no god except Allah). To further testify, "Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" is in fact TWO SHAHAADAS (shahaadayn), not one. To make shahaada is to utter ONE testimony, not two... And if you notice the verse where Muhammad is being recited in a shahaada in the Quran, it is uttered by the hypocrites, not the believers. Here's the verse

      When the Hypocrites come to you they say, "We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allah." Allah knows you are His Messenger, and Allah bears witness the Hypocrites are indeed liars. (631)

      AL Araf
      Do not try to understand 63-1 without reading the proceeding verses.
      That is how I understand the verses

      Free-Minds Translation

      In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
      631 When the hypocrites come to you they say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
      632 They have chosen their oath as a deceit, thus they repel from the path of God. Miserable indeed is what they do.
      633 That is because they believed, then disbelieved. Hence, their hearts are sealed; they do not understand.
      634 And when you see them, you are impressed by their physical stature; and when they speak, you listen to their eloquence. They are like blocks of wood propped-up. They think that every call is intended for them. These are the enemies, so beware of them. May God condemn them; they have deviated.
      635 And if they are told ?Come and let the messenger of God ask for your forgiveness,? they turn aside their heads, and you see them walking away in pride.

      When reading the above, please note in 63-2, the word "Their Oath"; What was the Oath they Took in 63-1?
      It is "Nshadoo anak Rasool Allah" we bear witness that you are God Messenger.

      Moreover, 63-3, please note "They believed...then disbelieved"; What was their first act that implied their Believing? is it the first act of 63-1, the Shahada-Oath?
      Now, note if this People, the Hypocrites were in Love with Mohamed (as the Suni of today), why they walked away from him in 63-5. Is it because they do not mean what they said in verse 1?
      Thus, my case is proven that Testifying that the prophet is the Messenger of God was Common during the Prophet time, which was confirmed by 3-86.

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        anna
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        AL Araf
        Do not try to understand 63-1 without reading the proceeding verses.
        That is how I understand the verses

        632 They have chosen their oath as a deceit, thus they repel from the path of God.

        now my question who chose this oath god or the hypocrites ???

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          belH
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          Salaam,
          Obeying is not the primary issue here

          Peace Frida
          IT IS the Primary Issue.
          Please reread what you posted, which I know it is the Truth, and think for a moment...is what you wrote is what God Showed you in His Book? Thus, you said what you said because you are Obeying and Believing in One Guidance, God's Words. All fall under Obeying and Following His guidance.

          now my question who chose this oath god or the hypocrites ???

          If you were living during Prophet Mohamed, what would you do if you believed He is a Prophet of God? Would you Testify and take the Oath to support Him? What will be the Arabic words that you will say to him? is it

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            Ahmad_Bilal
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            Peace BelH,

            When reading the above, please note in 63-2, the word "Their Oath"; What was the Oath they Took in 63-1?
            It is "Nshadoo anak Rasool Allah" we bear witness that you are God Messenger.

            This is false. The scriptures say that the hypocrites come to Muhammad with that testimony/shahaada, showing that they are ALREADY HYPOCRITES when they state this. The fact that they are said to be "believers, then disbelievers" is a clear sign that they took the same oath/aymaan that all submitters took the vow to worship GOD ALONE. They became disbelievers by taking partners alongside Allah.

            Moreover, 63-3, please note "They believed...then disbelieved"; What was their first act that implied their Believing? is it the first act of 63-1, the Shahada-Oath?
            Now, note if this People, the Hypocrites were in Love with Mohamed (as the Suni of today), why they walked away from him in 63-5. Is it because they do not mean what they said in verse 1?

            This is false. The Sunnis attest to this same shahaada, but they reject Muhammad. How so? Because they disregard his teachings. Bearing witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah is a manmade innovation, and it is only done by the hypocrites. When they are told of their wrongdoings, they walk away in pride (635) instead of ask for forgiveness and admit their blasphemy. 632 says they have chosen their oath/aymaan as "deceit" because they have deceived themselves into believing they are righteous worshipers of GOD ALONE, even though they are blasphemers who idolize the prophet Muhammad. Yet, they reject Muhammad by not obeying the message he delivered, and when they are informed of them, they become prideful and arrogant instead of repentant. And just like today's sectarians, their hearts become sealed, and "they do not understand" (633).

            Peace,

            Ahmad

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              Al_Khidr
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              AL Araf
              Do not try to understand 63-1 without reading the proceeding verses.
              That is how I understand the verses

              Free-Minds Translation

              In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
              631 When the hypocrites come to you they say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
              632 They have chosen their oath as a deceit, thus they repel from the path of God. Miserable indeed is what they do.
              633 That is because they believed, then disbelieved. Hence, their hearts are sealed; they do not understand.
              634 And when you see them, you are impressed by their physical stature; and when they speak, you listen to their eloquence. They are like blocks of wood propped-up. They think that every call is intended for them. These are the enemies, so beware of them. May God condemn them; they have deviated.
              635 And if they are told ?Come and let the messenger of God ask for your forgiveness,? they turn aside their heads, and you see them walking away in pride.

              When reading the above, please note in 63-2, the word "Their Oath"; What was the Oath they Took in 63-1?
              It is "Nshadoo anak Rasool Allah" we bear witness that you are God Messenger.

              Moreover, 63-3, please note "They believed...then disbelieved"; What was their first act that implied their Believing? is it the first act of 63-1, the Shahada-Oath?
              Now, note if this People, the Hypocrites were in Love with Mohamed (as the Suni of today), why they walked away from him in 63-5. Is it because they do not mean what they said in verse 1?
              Thus, my case is proven that Testifying that the prophet is the Messenger of God was Common during the Prophet time, which was confirmed by 3-86.

              BelH

              You haven't proven nothing. You will only be able to prove your shirk shahaada if and only if you can show us one verse that says "I bear witness that there is not god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" and we are all still waiting for you to produce just one verse!

              Even in the Holy Qur'aan Prophet Muhammad when he was giving the Shahaada, he did not place his name within the same abode as Allah when he was addressing the mushrikiyna in Qur'aan 619

              Qur?aan 619
              Say, ?What thing is greatest as a testimony?? Say ?Allah is the Witness between me and you that this Qur?aan has been inspired to me so that I may warn you with it and whomever it reaches. Do you really bear witness that there are other gods besides Allah?? Say ?I do not bear witness.? Say ?He is only One Creator, and indeed, I am free of what you associate (with Him).?

              This is another verse for the Shahaada and you will not find Prophet Muhammad injecting his name in the Shahaada, he bears witness that the Creator is One. Below is the Arabic break down for this verse on the Shahaada

              http//i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd277/sayf22/Shahaada%2018/Ch6v19Arabicbreakdown.jpg

              http//i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd277/sayf22/Shahaada%2018/Shahaadadifferentforms.jpg

              Again notice that you will not see ?Muhammad an Rasuwl Allah? mentioned in the Shahaada found in Qur?aan 619. Notice in Qur?aan 619 Prophet Muhammad does not bear witness to their Shahaada of the mushrikiyna

              http//i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd277/sayf22/Shahaada%2018/IdonotbearwitnessCh6v19.jpg

              And Prophet Muhammad went on to say

              http//i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd277/sayf22/Shahaada%2018/OneCreatorQuraan6verse19.jpg

              And notice that when Muhammad said this to the mushrikiyna ?Say He is only One Creator?-HE (MUHAMMAD) DID NOT PUT HIS NAME IN THIS KALIMA OR SHAHAADA. You will never find Muhammad?s name in the Shahaada inside the Holy Qur?aan because that never was the Shahaada. By placing Muhammad?s name or any other Prophet for that matter in the same abode with Allah is binding partners, it is associating partners with Allah. Our Creator is Waahid (One) and Wahdau (Alone), there is only but one True Kalima, Shahaada, First Pillar of Faith, which all the Prophets taught

              LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH

              The Muslims representing in this post who uphold Qur'aan alone have proven beyond doubt that the Shahaada bears Allah's name ALONE; We have proven in Qur'aan 318 that this is the Shahaada and we have proven in Qur'aan 619 that the Shahaada bears Allah's name alone and that Prophet Muhammad did NOT place his name in the Shahaada, so why are you going against Allah, The Qur'aan, Prophet Muhammad all because you believe in the Sunni's false, shirk, pagan, idol worshiop Shahaada which has no foundation in Al Qur'aan!

              http//kushite.webs.com/shahaada.htm

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                belH
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                And notice that when Muhammad said this to the mushrikiyna ?Say He is only One Creator?-HE (MUHAMMAD) DID NOT PUT HIS NAME IN THIS KALIMA OR SHAHAADA.
                The Muslims representing in this post who uphold Qur'aan alone have proven beyond doubt that the Shahaada bears Allah's name ALONE; We have proven in Qur'aan 318 that this is the Shahaada and we have proven in Qur'aan 619 that the Shahaada bears Allah's name alone and that Prophet Muhammad did NOT place his name in the Shahaada, so why are you going against Allah, The Qur'aan, Prophet Muhammad all because you believe in the Sunni's false, shirk, pagan, idol worshiop Shahaada which has no foundation in Al Qur'aan!

                Did anyone say That Mohamed is a Creator? Or did I say a Slave Creature who was chosen by our Creator to convey the Quran?

                I think when Mohamed name is Mentioned, many people have a panic attack rotfl He is a Slave and not God pr

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                  farida
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                  Peace Frida
                  IT IS the Primary Issue.
                  Please reread what you posted, which I know it is the Truth, and think for a moment...is what you wrote is what God Showed you in His Book? Thus, you said what you said because you are Obeying and Believing in One Guidance, God's Words. All fall under Obeying and Following His guidance.

                  If you were living during Prophet Mohamed, what would you do if you believed He is a Prophet of God? Would you Testify and take the Oath to support Him? What will be the Arabic words that you will say to him? is it

                  Salaam

                  Primary issue is the faith in God, once you have strong belief it is only after that stage you develop devotion to serve God.
                  Btw you have ignored other points I raise are you too scared to utter word Jihad. ???

                  I think when Mohamed name is Mentioned, many people have a panic attack

                  And I think when JIHAD is mentioned many more have panic attack &

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                    Al_Khidr
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                    Did anyone say That Mohamed is a Creator? Or did I say a Slave Creature who was chosen by our Creator to convey the Quran?

                    I think when Mohamed name is Mentioned, many people have a panic attack rotfl He is a Slave and not God pr

                    There is no panic attack but there is big time shuffling on your behalf. We have demonstrated that Allah did not put Muhammad's name in the Shahaada (31 and we have demonstrated that Muhammad himself did not put his name in the Shahaada (619) so who are you to put his (Muhammad's) name in the Shahaada! We are demanding the facts and you cannot produce just one verse to support your sunni fabricated shahaada which again has no bases in Al Qur'aan.

                    The only true Shahaada bears Allah's name ALONE is consistent throughout the teachings of Al Qur'aan as seen below

                    http//webzoom.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/Test%20Graphics/Ch39v45%20size%2030.JPG

                    http//webzoom.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/Test%20Graphics/Ch40v12%20size%2030.JPG

                    http//webzoom.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/Test%20Graphics/Ch60v4%20size%2025.JPG

                    The Sunni Shahaada that you believe in is only found in satanic innovations called hadiyth which Allah has clearly condemned and this is why you can't find it in the Qur'aan

                    http//webzoom.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/Test%20Graphics/Ch45v6%20size%2070.JPG

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                      belH
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                      There is no panic attack but there is big time shuffling on your behalf. We have demonstrated that Allah did not put Muhammad's name in the Shahaada (31 and we have demonstrated that Muhammad himself did not put his name in the Shahaada (619) so who are you to put his (Muhammad's) name in the Shahaada! We are demanding the facts and you cannot produce just one verse to support your sunni fabricated shahaada which again has no bases in Al Qur'aan.

                      I Got a Solution for you after taking the following facts into consideration
                      There is only one God-Allah
                      I Have to Worship Allah By Following His Guidences .
                      God Guidence is The Quran
                      The Quran was revealed and written By His Messenger Mohamed.
                      Thus, To Worship Allah, I have to Obey the Book that Was Written By Mohamed.

                      Here is the Solution
                      The New Comer to Islam should say the Following "I Bear Witness that There is no God worth of Worshiping and Obeying except Allah...waits 15 minutes and say the Following "and to worship him, I have to follow the Guidence that was written by his True Messenger Mohamed, the Quidence of Al-Quran.

                      Is that would solve Mohamedphobia Psychological problem?

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                        Btw you have ignored other points I raise are you too scared to utter word Jihad. ???And I think when JIHAD is mentioned many more have panic attack &

                        rotfl Woman woman woman, they will always remember every thing; but what can you say, we can not live without them; they are the fruit of life.

                        Now back to the issue you are trying to corner me for; What do you want me to do in Jehad? Should I go to Afganistan to fight with or against AlQaida?

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                          farida
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                          rotfl Woman woman woman, they will always remember every thing; but what can you say, we can not live without them; they are the fruit of life.

                          Goes both ways yes

                          Now back to the issue you are trying to corner me for; What do you want me to do in Jehad? Should I go to Afganistan to fight with or against AlQaida?

                          Typical concept of Jihad brickwall
                          For a start understand true concept of Jihad then you can work out where to apply it, especially since you consider yourself Rijal muscle

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                            belH
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                            Goes both ways yes

                            Typical concept of Jihad brickwall
                            For a start understand true concept of Jihad then you can work out where to apply it, especially since you consider yourself Rijal muscle

                            Can you teach me...please ;D

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                              farida
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                              Can you teach me...please ;D

                              Now it has come to a stage that Nisah have to teach Rijal underlying concept of jihad '(

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                                Now it has come to a stage that Nisah have to teach Rijal underlying concept of jihad '(

                                I'm okay with that? unless you do not know what is Jehad?

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                                  farida
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                                  Here is the Solution
                                  The New Comer to Islam should say the Following "I Bear Witness that There is no God worth of Worshiping and Obeying except Allah...waits 15 minutes and say the Following "and to worship him, I have to follow the Guidence that was written by his True Messenger Mohamed, the Quidence of Al-Quran.

                                  Should say following to convince who ???

                                  Good night

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                                    satanic innovations called hadiyth which Allah has clearly condemned and this is why you can't find it in the Qur'aan

                                    If I'm not mistaken you with someone else, are you the one who is promoting 5 prayer (Hadith) instead of 3 Prayer (Quran)? Please forgive me if you are not the one. ;D

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                                      belH
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                                      Should say following to convince who ???

                                      Good night

                                      I said that to you before To Say in front of GOD

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                                        belH
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                                        Secondly please read verse 253 of chapter 2

                                        These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks. And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Had GOD willed, their followers would not have fought with each other, after the clear proofs had come to them. Instead, they disputed among themselves; some of them believed, and some disbelieved. Had GOD willed, they would not have fought. Everything is in accordance with GOD's will

                                        Peace Raj-ah

                                        I want to clarify that the above verse is telling us that God is the one who can rank his prophets as He wishes; but the believers should not rank or favor any of them over the other, as God commanded us in Quran.
                                        Peace

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                                          If I'm not mistaken you with someone else, are you the one who is promoting 5 prayer (Hadith) instead of 3 Prayer (Quran)? Please forgive me if you are not the one. ;D

                                          That is because the 5 prescribed salaat is in the Qur'aan and Tawhiyd has annhilated your 3 Salaat Theory from the roots on up....

                                          http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm

                                          According to wakas the majority under Progress Moslems believe that there is only 2 salaat and not 3 so who is right under this sect? But nevertheless both theories are refuted and holds no weight in Al Qur'aan.

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