Never Say: " I am a Muslim!"
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Dear Fazl
You are making up a prohibition without evidence... I do not find in the Quran such an instruction. To the contrary, there are instructions to the opposite. For instance
4133 Who is better in saying than one who invites to God, and does good works, and says "I am one of those who have peacefully surrendered."
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Nothing can be clearer than this.
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Dear Tony and others
The oath we undertook before Allah is that we will not commit shirk is La Ilaha Illa Allahu i.e
Except Allah there is no other God. If you are muslims you must stand by your oath to Allah as follows..Except Allah there is no other ... Creator
Except Allah there is no other ... Producer
Except Allah there is no other ... Provider
Except Allah there is no other ... Helper
Except Allah there is no other ... Protector to prevent me from diseases
Except Allah there is no other ... Forgiver
Except Allah there is no other ... Curer when I am inflicted with a diseases
Except Allah there is no other ... Producer
Except Allah there is no other ... Saviour from all adversities
Except Allah there is no other ... gods for all my needs.......Thus the oath extends limitlessly until my life ends; I shall not commit the gravest sin of associating the things in the world and the peoples of the worlds to fulfill any of my needs; and such a covenant I made with Allah holds good till I breathe my last. During my such stint in the world I am endowed with His Bounties and Grace and Forgiveness and even more than what I even ever thought of. Such is the Truthfulness of Allah upon His bond men. Hence I am in total satisfaction with Allah as the sayer of Truth. I am contented with Allah as He is Content with me. This is the status of a Muslim. If you still think that you are a muslim and do not want to seek His help in becoming a muslim, then I am not even discussing the topic for God's sake.
Now follow Ibrahim "O God! Make us muslims! And teach us Prayer!"
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Dear drfazl,
Points you raised in your post at 054806 AM are twisted truth portraying it to an idea which is not even supported by Quran but the Question is what is Allah and how to obey him? When one comes to this question then the real answer comes. Following corrections are done according to my understanding.
Except Allah there is no other ... originator not Creator
Except Allah there is no other ... originator not Producer
Except Allah there is no other ... Provider but through his creation
Except Allah there is no other ... Helper but helps through his creation
Except Allah there is no other ... Protector from diseases but through his creation
Except Allah there is no other ... Forgiver but not for the sins committed against other humans.
Except Allah there is no other ... Curer when I am inflicted with a diseases but through men of understanding.
Except Allah there is no other ... Producer (this is repeated)
Except Allah there is no other ... Saviour from all adversities. To whom and why?(this needs very long debate)
Except Allah there is no other ... gods for all my needs.......may be you want to say goods that is also repeated as this comes in the category of producer.The system of submission is a long process with different steps to be passed along the way.
Basics to enter into system of submission is to Accept that God is One, One has to believe in standing before him for judgment, doing Good deeds.
Drfazal please remember that next step after one enters the system of submission(Islam) is to completely obey Allah and messenger(Rasool) at the same time. Prophets or ordinary humans alike.
Above is my understanding about the message of Quran. Quran provides information how to lead a life individually when not in power for the betterment of soul and what to do collectively to achieve power and then use the power to show the humanity practical living according to the system of God for the betterment of soul simultaneously.
In the last the verse you provided does not say prayer at all if you mean to say salat.
Regards.
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khyal,
Understand the essence of what I have posted; if you cannot understand never mind. Do not show your ignorance in trying to correct me. I never asked you to correct me; write something original; any body can rewrite what others say and it is not a post at all. It is you are posing to be posting. Post something of your own. God bless you.
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khyal,
Understand the essence of what I have posted; if you cannot understand never mind. Do not show your ignorance in trying to correct me. I never asked you to correct me; write something original; any body can rewrite what others say and it is not a post at all. It is you are posing to be posting. Post something of your own. God bless you.
Salaam,
3102 O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.
As I understand it this is a continuous process and one must, all the time fear deviating from the right path and do all one can to preserve one's faith and die finally as a muslim.
There are so many times when ones faith is shaken for any number of reasons and often it is associated with fear so the state of muslimhood is not finalised until one dies in submission to God.
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Dear brothers.
We are not supposed to call us muslims but to seek His Grant to Become One. This is following the foot steps of the prophets Ibrahim, Ismail and Yacub and Yusuf. Muhammad was ordained by Allah to follow only Ibrahim. And from this any one who calls himself a muslim is a kafir.
Let our prayers be
2 128 "Our God! make us muslims, and of our progeny a people submissive to you as muslims; and teach us how to pray; and forgive us (for our 5 times and 3 times prayer) ; for You are the Forgiver and most Merciful.?Where in the Quran does it say that calling ourselves Muslims is a sin? What in the world are you talking about? This website has a lot of great things on it, and then it has a lot of nonsense too. Your post would be a good example of the latter.
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Salaams All,
Was he realy!
Amazing Since the time of Abraham over 2500 years till the Quran no body ever used this name "Muslim" even after Jesus- no literature any where that i have ever come across, have you? apart from the quran, there is a lot of literature available the sea scrolls e.t.c
I believe Abraham said it as a descriptive term for people to surrender to........
Abraham wasn't a Jew, Cristian, Sikh, Muslim ..........but told people to behave themselves and serve the greater good, the greater cause, the cause of ALL humanity.
AND NOT OF A SELECT FEW.
and be a muslim.
hmm
God Bless All.
Oh my God! What is with all the stupid nonsense on this website! The word Muslim, just like every word in every language, is a label! It refers to a certain group of people; Muslims are followers of Islam. Islam is a religion, the true religion. Everybody can claim to be a Muslim, but whether they are one or not is up to God. You know what, I'm not even going to argue over this matter anymore here because I think what I have to say will go in through one ear and come out the other. It's like almost everybody on this website wants to find something wrong with the Quran, or think up of some conspiracy, or something of that nature. I like to talk about different viewpoints concerning different verses and aspects of the Quran; there needs to be more serious talks about these things and less of this nonsense.
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Brothers in islam
Islam is the way to salam - a continuous journey towards salam; and whoso has been in peace or in salam all the while is only by God's Grace a muslim, a great endowment from Allah indeed. It is for all of us to seek in prayer "O Allah there is none but you shall Bless me with Salam, and make me live with salam, as muslim having salam. We all follow Ibrahim in this regard for Allah says Ibrahim is not the one who shall associate. And he and Ismail were in continuous prayer O God! Make us Muslims; and Teach Us How To Pray!
Next, Islam is the only way for the mankind; you may call yourself a mumin, a christian, a jew, or sabians / other religious groups; but with Allah Islam is the Way. So whoever of the above groups believe in the Way of Allah and prayerfully follows the Way to Salam, Allah shall not lessen the benefits of his efforts in the path of salam, Islam. Such of them they shall neither grieve nor fear. Such are the True Muslims.
So a true muslim does not have grief, fear and worry at all in this worldly life. Are the so called muslims have this life today? They are in such great terror; always in the grip of fear and worry and they are the aggrieved persons in the whole world. So pray to Allah, following Ibrahim and Muhammad as O God! Make us people of Salam ( muslims )! Teach us the REAL PRAYER!
Allah says if you really are muslims, then shall we make you like the terrorists, the grave sinners?
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Shall We then treat the muslims like the People of Sin?
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So a true muslim does not have grief, fear and worry at all in this worldly life. Are the so called muslims have this life today? They are in such great terror; always in the grip of fear and worry and they are the aggrieved persons in the whole world. So pray to Allah, following Ibrahim and Muhammad as O God! Make us people of Salam ( muslims )! Teach us the REAL PRAYER!
There has never been a human being in the entire history of the world who has felt absoloutely no grief, fear, or worry at all. There is no such human being now and there never will be such a human being. However, as a person gets closer and closer to God, the more grief, fear, and worry they will be able to block, no matter what situation they are in. Only God can help us, and we must put our trust in God. As a person becomes a better and better Muslim, the more easily this is done.
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There has never been a human being in the entire history of the world who has felt absoloutely no grief, fear, or worry at all. There is no such human being now and there never will be such a human being. However, as a person gets closer and closer to God, the more grief, fear, and worry they will be able to block, no matter what situation they are in. Only God can help us, and we must put our trust in God. As a person becomes a better and better Muslim, the more easily this is done.
Salaam
Fear is the most damaging feeling and it's nothing but a feeling of uncertainty in ones mind and, you are right, no one is immune from fear and our dua should always be to rid us of fear and to help us to put our trust in Allah. Its Shaitaan who induces fear which can then lead to weakness and despair.
May Allah give us courage to strive in His cause at all times.
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khyal,
Understand the essence of what I have posted; if you cannot understand never mind. Do not show your ignorance in trying to correct me. I never asked you to correct me; write something original; any body can rewrite what others say and it is not a post at all. It is you are posing to be posting. Post something of your own. God bless you.
Dear drfazl,
Kindly tell me again what is the essence of what you have posted? When you use the words please try to understand what are the meanings or implications of those words. I have only tried to correct the words you used according to my understanding. If you have read my answer then tell me what is wrong with my understanding. Everyone has the right to his understanding but when you are in a debate you have to prove your point with verses, knowledge or logic. Everybody on this forum talks about Islam but without explaining clearly the reason for his understanding and thinks that he has conveyed the message.
Dear I have corrected according to my understanding where i felt you were portraying wrongly. That does not mean in any way that you were wrong or i was right. I have given my answer according to my understanding by changing the words I thought were correct and clearly marking my words in different color and if you feel that I was wrong then say so with the reason. I have told you that you posted a wrong translation without understanding what it was saying. Even after pointing it out you never bothered to check what I was trying to tell you. I was amazed that you have understood that we should not say ourselves Muslims but you did not bothered to see what the whole asking of Abraham and Ismail was. Let me show you with verses.
Literal Our Lord and make us two Moslems to you, and from our descendants, a nation submitting/surrendering/Moslems to you, and show us our rituals/methods of worship and forgive on us, that you are the forgiver, the most merciful.
Free_Minds "Our Lord, and let us submit to You and from our progeny a nation submitting to You, and show us our rites and forgive us; You are the Forgiving, the Merciful."
Khalifa "Our Lord, make us submitters to You, and from our descendants let there be a community of submitters to You. Teach us the rites of our religion, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer, Most Merciful.
Yusuf_Ali "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most
If you pay attention to the word they used in their asking was and that does not mean prayer. The same word is used in the following verse too2267
Literal To every/each nation We made/created a ritual or method of worship they are practicing the rituals or methods of worship , so they do not dispute/quarrel with you (E) in the matter/affair, and call to your Lord, that you are on (E) straight/direct guidance.
Free_Minds For every nation We have made rites which they will fulfill. So do not let the matter fall into dispute. And call upon your Lord, for you are on a guidance which is straight.
Khalifa For each congregation, we have decreed a set of rites that they must uphold. Therefore, they should not dispute with you. You shall continue to invite everyone to your Lord. Most assuredly, you are on the right path.
Yusuf_Ali To every People have We appointed rites and ceremonies which they must follow let them not then dispute with thee on the matter, but do thou invite (them) to thy Lord for thou art assuredly on the Right Way.What they were asking was made clear in the above verse that rites(rituals) are different for each nation. I hope this post will help you in making my understanding clearer to you. Please tell me what is Prayer according to you and if possible the basics of Islam according to you.
Regards.
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Salaam
Fear is the most damaging feeling and it's nothing but a feeling of uncertainty in ones mind and, you are right, no one is immune from fear and our dua should always be to rid us of fear and to help us to put our trust in Allah. Its Shaitaan who induces fear which can then lead to weakness and despair.
May Allah give us courage to strive in His cause at all times.
peacePeace. I agree exactly.
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Dear drfazl,
Kindly tell me again what is the essence of what you have posted?
The essence of my posting is unless God helps there is no way you will gain anything good, including the status of Muslims, the final victory of a man.
When you use the words please try to understand what are the meanings or implications of those words.
In your posting if you read for yourself you will know that in the free-minds translation you have just given the thesaurus of meanings without any implications attached. So will you please allow me to say the same advice to you?
I have only tried to correct the words you used according to my understanding. If you have read my answer then tell me what is wrong with my understanding.
Then you could have said "I only registered my way of understanding" for understanding means observation beyond the words can reach. But you pose as a teacher correcting the views of my postings word for word!
Everyone has the right to his understanding but when you are in a debate you have to prove your point with verses, knowledge or logic.
I believe in putting in my view point; so each puts in his view point. This helps a reader to pick up the best he feels of the points he has read. I never even knew I entered into a debate, until you said just now! Do you know what the words the ' knowledge and logic ' you have used here imply?
Everybody on this forum talks about Islam but without explaining clearly the reason for his understanding and thinks that he has conveyed the message.
By saying this do you understand you conveniently have forgotten yourself? This is the height of observation!
Dear I have corrected according to my understanding where i felt you were portraying wrongly. That does not mean in any way that you were wrong or i was right. I have told you that you posted a wrong translation without understanding what it was saying
Can you see you are contradicting your statements above? Just three sentences, each one contradicting the other!
I have given my answer according to my understanding by changing the words I thought were correct and clearly marking my words in different color and if you feel that I was wrong then say so with the reason.
I would appreciate if you walk in with your own shoes on without trying to getting into my shoes while still with your shoes on. Do you see brother, just because you say you typed clearly with a different color, you have not clarified each sentence; do you mean color speaks of your knowledge and logic and clarifies your changed words in each sentence? Strange! Isn't it?
Even after pointing it out you never bothered to check what I was trying to tell you.
Man! You've got the nerve! You were only trying to tell me. So you are not sure you have clearly told anything because you are not sure of what you are trying to tell me.
I was amazed that you have understood that we should not say ourselves Muslims but you did not bothered to see what the whole asking of Abraham and Ismail was. Let me show you with verses.
Literal Our Lord and make us two Moslems to you, and from our descendants, a nation submitting/surrendering/Moslems to you, and show us our rituals/methods of worship and forgive on us, that you are the forgiver, the most merciful.
Free_Minds "Our Lord, and let us submit to You and from our progeny a nation submitting to You, and show us our rites and forgive us; You are the Forgiving, the Merciful."
Khalifa "Our Lord, make us submitters to You, and from our descendants let there be a community of submitters to You. Teach us the rites of our religion, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer, Most Merciful.
Yusuf_Ali "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most
If you pay attention to the word they used in their asking was and that does not mean prayer. The same word is used in the following verse tooThat is Great! If you squeeze yourself in between the three as the fourth such as the free_minds in the second place, then it shall be assumed you are correct and the others are not; and then you will say "What! Even after pointing it out you never bothered to check what I was trying to tell you." Understand bro, you have simply words there you have not given any explanation to what you say whatsoever!
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Literal To every/each nation We made/created a ritual or method of worship they are practicing the rituals or methods of worship , so they do not dispute/quarrel with you (E) in the matter/affair, and call to your Lord, that you are on (E) straight/direct guidance.
Free_Minds For every nation We have made rites which they will fulfill. So do not let the matter fall into dispute. And call upon your Lord, for you are on a guidance which is straight.
Khalifa For each congregation, we have decreed a set of rites that they must uphold. Therefore, they should not dispute with you. You shall continue to invite everyone to your Lord. Most assuredly, you are on the right path.
Yusuf_Ali To every People have We appointed rites and ceremonies which they must follow let them not then dispute with thee on the matter, but do thou invite (them) to thy Lord for thou art assuredly on the Right Way.We will deal with this ayat later; now I am ready to debate the ayat! Go ahead!
Regards.
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Mumin is believing in the God and God alone for all our needs, say, for cure from all diseases, freedom from the financial crunches forever and for peace in the social life until the life ends. If we believe in men and matters and materials then we are against being mumin. We are associating things and men with the unseen God.
4 49 Have you not seen those who praise their own purity? Nay, Allah purifies who He will. And to none shall there be injustice even a speck.
Muslims are those who are endowed with the Grant of Grace and Forgiveness and final attainment of PEACE, the final and Greatest victory of all. So seek to be a muslim; never advance before allah and call yourself a muslim or a mumin.
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Dear drfazl,
I was shocked by your answer.
The essence of my posting is unless God helps there is no way you will gain anything good, including the status of Muslims, the final victory of a man.
Did i said something which says that one can get good from another source? I just tried to tell you simple fact that God does not help us with some kind of miracle but He helps us with his creations which are made to serve us and I have clearly mentioned that in my post. Here is an example if you did not understood previously. My dear God does not produce the wheat on its own for humans unless we sow,water and take care of it but yes without seed and water it is not possible. I thought that this is a matter of simple commonsense and that is what i have corrected if you read again my post.
In your posting if you read for yourself you will know that in the free-minds translation you have just given the thesaurus of meanings without any implications attached. So will you please allow me to say the same advice to you?
Please read again what I disputed about is explained.
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What they were asking was made clear in the above verse that rites(rituals) are different for each nation. I hope this post will help you in making my understanding clearer to you. Please tell me what is Prayer according to you and if possible the basics of Islam according to you.
Then you could have said "I only registered my way of understanding" for understanding means observation beyond the words can reach. But you pose as a teacher correcting the views of my postings word for word!
I believe in putting in my view point; so each puts in his view point. This helps a reader to pick up the best he feels of the points he has read. I never even knew I entered into a debate, until you said just now! Do you know what the words the ' knowledge and logic ' you have used here imply?Is there any need to tell that? My understanding was that it is a forum and forum is for putting ones opinions for discussion and debating. Regarding your understanding of of the Word UNDERSTANDING is strange. I cant say that what we write is understandable and agreeable or not but explanation is always in words.
By saying this do you understand you conveniently have forgotten yourself? This is the height of observation!
Please read again the answer, Explanation is in blue color. If you need explanation for all the points with verse references then it needs a lot of space to answer. You are not answering my questions nor other people have posted. It seems that you ignore what goes against you.
That is Great! If you squeeze yourself in between the three as the fourth such as the free_minds in the second place, then it shall be assumed you are correct and the others are not; and then you will say "What! Even after pointing it out you never bothered to check what I was trying to tell you." Understand bro, you have simply words there you have not given any explanation to what you say whatsoever!
what are you trying to say? If you mean to say that saying ourselves Muslims is wrong or right then it has been told in my first two posts. what I was referring to you in this ayah was minasik which you translated as prayers but everyone has translated it in rites. Please read carefully the answers and then say something about it but it seems that you have not bothered to read the answer with care.
Lastly I asked you the simple questions but you seem to be avoiding those questions. Answering without questions posted seems a deliberate avoiding. I am posting again for an answer from you. My answers are already there but if you need detailed answer with reference of verses too then let me know. I don't want to paste it here because this is not the point of discussion in this thread.
Please tell me what is Prayer according to you and if possible the basics of Islam according to you.
Regards.
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i am a muslim!
yeah
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Do you think so?
God spoke negatively of the "A3rab" and described them as "kafirs and mislead", but aslo asked them to not call themselves mu'mins but muslims. What do you think?Which Ayah do you mean 49 14 ? Or can you kindly say the ayah you mean to convey here?