Number of wives?
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Quran rules out polyandry for believers. Therefore it cannot suggest multiple husbands. It does not however rule out polygyny. ?Wives of their adopted sons? therefore suggests whether a believer has ?
one wife of one adopted son,
many wives of one adopted son,
or many wives of many adopted sons, ??there is no haraj in marrying them.
I have not seen this post before, so sorry for the belated response.
Since you can infer from it the confirmation of your understanding, and I can infer from it the refutation of your understanding, this means that this verse is insignificant in this subject, and you cannot use an insignificant result to build a theory
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Human beings are not socially monogamous... ask any divorce attorney, or a guy who spends time with many women. Well... that's in the case of fornicating humans. But masculine individuals desire many feminine partners, even when they are in abstinence. Feminine individuals desire one close masculine individual, with perhaps many non-sexual relationships.
But seriously, if you believe men are monogomous in their heads... then you can in no way be a man in that old brain of yours.
There is very much a man in my brain but maybe it isn't old enough to be so jaded. It's nothing to do with desire. It's to do with what works. It doesn't matter how many people divorse. It doesn't matter how many commit adultery. The fact is that many monogamous couples do not divorse, and many husbands and wives do not cheat. And you know what? It is the children of these couples who succeed in staying together and treating each other with respect who do best in life.
If you want an example of how psychologically healthy a child from a polygamous relationship is, just look at Bin Laden.
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I have not seen this post before, so sorry for the belated response.
No problem.
Since you can infer from it the confirmation of your understanding, and I can infer from it the refutation of your understanding, this means that this verse is insignificant in this subject, and you cannot use an insignificant result to build a theory
But where is the refutation?
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Human beings are not socially monogamous... ask any divorce attorney, or a guy who spends time with many women. Well... that's in the case of fornicating humans.
would matter who you ask.
But masculine individuals desire many feminine partners, even when they are in abstinence. Feminine individuals desire one close masculine individual, with perhaps many non-sexual relationships.
I'm fine with one wife
But seriously, if you believe men are monogomous in their heads... then you can in no way be a man in that old brain of yours.
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Well, yes, that's why I don't regard myself as 'quran alone',
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Therefore you think we can take aaliha/ilahs other than Allah? Like you are taking time and your "common sense" as your ilah? We can make haraam and halaal from extra-Quranic sources? We should reject Bukhari and create our own hadees instead?
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You did not answer this before Why do you think the Quran did not leave everything for your ?common sense? or for time to dictate? Quran deals with the rights of men, women and children. Why did it exclude this ?right? and include others?
and this isn't just a 'quran alone' website, it's the 'freeminds' forum encompassing broader monotheistic concepts.
?Broader monotheistic concepts? in the light of the Quran which is the reference point for forum discussions. ?Free-minds? is just the name of the site. Read the description of the site and the forums rules to see what it is about. Therefore, if you are saying something is prohibited, back it up by the Quran.
Besides, monotheism and shirk can co-exist. Just like you are making shareek your ahadees and your aaliha.
I find the hadiths etc quite irrelevant but science and reason are very relevant
I find your hadees (your ?reasons?) just as irrelevant and non-sense. And since, like I have said, what is making sense to you is not making sense to me, let us solve our dispute by referring back to the Quran. OK? I wrote
I do( believe that common sense also exists outside the Quran). But what is making sense to you is not making sense to me. Since the book of Allah is revealed so we can solve our disputes with it, we need to refer back to the book. And the book is also revealed so people can establish Justice. By referring back to the book we can figure out whose interpretation is being unjust, whose interpretation will take away the rights if implemented.
What do you think?
and as I have said before human beings are socially monogamous, and polygamy is an abuse of human nature.
Was the nabi not a human being? Was he abusive of the human nature?
And btw, I was not discussing how they are. I was discussing how they are supposed to be. Two different things.
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1 - there are plenty of people who believed in Allah before the Quran. God has sent lots of messengers. God encompasses everything, is within everything and without everything. He can teach us in any way he likes.
4162 "But those of them who are firm in knowledge, as well as the believers, they believe in what was sent down to you and what was sent down before you; and those who uphold the communion, and those who contribute towards betterment, and those who believe in God and the Last Day; to these We will give them their reward greatly."
As you can see, being firm in knowledge is also a way of ascertaining the truth of God.
2 - yes, actually, I think the Quran gives us both complete freedom to use our reason and indeed requires us to do so - 1736 - "And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for." - see, it's a requirement that you use your reason and scientific understanding to back up your religious opinions. Not the other way round.
5811 "God will raise those among you who believe, and those who acquire knowledge to higher ranks. God is fully aware of everything you do." See, acquire knowledge. You need to understand the world. Not just the Quran. You cannot understand the Quran unless you are mature enough in your behaviour in the world.
Was the nabi not a human being? Was he abusive of the human nature?
It's only the hadiths that tell us he had more than one wife at the same time. But even if it did, so what? He was a human being. He can make mistakes. The quran says he made mistakes.
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But where is the refutation?
When you wrote the following underlined sentence, did you mean "It definitely supports polygamy"?
It does not however rule out polygyny. ?Wives of their adopted sons? therefore suggests whether a believer has ?
one wife of one adopted son,
many wives of one adopted son,
or many wives of many adopted sons, ? -
Salaams Samia,All,
More then one husband! Is it allowed? hypno
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Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).How is a woman guarding her chestity in the absence of one husband when she is having it off with another husband?
if she has more then one husband.
If the ayah is correct!
God Bless.
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Salaams Samia,All,
More then one husband! Is it allowed? hypno
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Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).How is a woman guarding her chestity in the absence of one husband when she is having it off with another husband?
if she has more then one husband.
If the ayah is correct!
God Bless.
The verse doesn't actually say chastity? It says "what Allah would have them guard" - and that should surely apply to men to! Men should guard what Allah would have them guard.
So you're just taking your subjective opinion to say that female chastity is important, but male chastity is not. I disagree. I think both are important.
We all know that the actual verse about this is the one that says "forbidden to you are women already married, except those whom your right hands possess", however that verse is so subjective and open to interpretation that we might as well not bother. I for one think it right hands possess refers to husbands, hence "forbidden to you (in marriage) are married women, unless you're their husband".
But if we want to keep chatting on about nothing, I have no objection. FAR, are you unhappy about my bin laden comment?
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The verse doesn't actually say chastity? It says "what Allah would have them guard" - and that should surely apply to men to! Men should guard what Allah would have them guard.
So you're just taking your subjective opinion to say that female chastity is important, but male chastity is not. I disagree. I think both are important.
We all know that the actual verse about this is the one that says "forbidden to you are women already married, except those whom your right hands possess", however that verse is so subjective and open to interpretation that we might as well not bother. I for one think it right hands possess refers to husbands, hence "forbidden to you (in marriage) are married women, unless you're their husband".
But if we want to keep chatting on about nothing, I have no objection. FAR, are you unhappy about my bin laden comment?
Look closely and you will see its talking about the righteous women.........
Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard.
Nothing about the men guarding what ever is to be guarded in the absence of their wives......... confused
We all know that the actual verse about this is the one that says "forbidden to you are women already married,
yep! that is good though.
God Bless.
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Salaam Simple
More then one husband! Is it allowed? hypno
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Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).Since when did (ghaib) mean "husband's absence"?
and BTW, a husband can also be "nashez", so he can be "disloyal" and have "bad conduct"; should she still obey him? Did God tell her to "lightly beat" him? Do you know of any justice, let alone a divine one, where the punishment is based on the gender? What did God ask her to do in the case where the husband is "nashez"? The answer will explain what "adribuuhunna" means, because it's almost the same action she can take get seperated, but God says that there's no harm if "you make peace between them".
How is a woman guarding her chestity in the absence of one husband when she is having it off with another husband?
if she has more then one husband.
If the ayah is correct!
God Bless.
If she can legally be married to more than one husband, she is still guarding her chastity, just like a husband married to more than one woman, unless you believe that in such a case he will not be guarding his chastity, and that I will definitely agree with.
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Salaam Simple
Since when did (ghaib) mean "husband's absence"?and BTW, a husband can also be "nashez", so he can be "disloyal" and have "bad conduct"; should she still obey him?
but surely she can still guard it until matters are sorted.
Did God tell her to "lightly beat" him? Do you know of any justice, let alone a divine one, where the punishment is based on the gender? What did God ask her to do in the case where the husband is "nashez"? The answer will explain what "adribuuhunna" means, because it's almost the same action she can take get seperated, but God says that there's no harm if "you make peace between them".
If she can legally be married to more than one husband, she is still guarding her chastity,Then she will be guarding it for more then one husband,surely.
just like a husband married to more than one woman, unless you believe that in such a case he will not be guarding his chastity, and that I will definitely agree with.
yes that is what i meant, a husband isn't guarding it but flaunting it when he is with another wife.
So if she has to guard it when her husband isn't around only one husband option fulfills it- i think.
God Bless.
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but surely she can still guard it until matters are sorted.
Guard what?
yes that is what i meant, a husband isn't guarding it but flaunting it when he is with another wife.
So if she has to guard it when her husband isn't around only one husband option fulfills it- i think.
God Bless.
Why does she "have" to guad it and not flaunt it when she is with another husband?
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Guard what?
Surely you know!
What does a righteous woman have that she needs to guard?
Why does she "have" to guad it and not flaunt it when she is with another husband?
of course , when she has another husband she can flaunt it, but only one husband at a time
Salaam Samia.
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Surely you know!
What does a righteous woman have that she needs to guard?
The same thing a righteous man has that he needs to guard. Dignity and integrity.