Wife Beating is a Therapy
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Peace,
24 2 shall have to be taken as the yard stick that whoever disobeys between wife and husband must be punished as severely as possible without mercy. Because man's threshold for pain is much better, to make the punishment even, the husband shall have to be thrashed harder and worse, if the husband disobeys. This is Quran.
With
Regards to both hubby and wify..
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Peace,
24 2 shall have to be taken as the yard stick that whoever disobeys between wife and husband must be punished as severely as possible without mercy. Because man's threshold for pain is much better, to make the punishment even, the husband shall have to be thrashed harder and worse, if the husband disobeys. This is Quran.
With
Regards to both hubby and wify..
This is applicable when adultery is confirmed. But if you fear nushuz from your wife, you go through the checklist. And no Doc, quite the reverse, a woman's threshold for pain is better. Now this is The Quran.
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Peace all,
OK. First what does it mean 'If he/she fears nushuz' ?? Nushuz seems like something very bad not simply disobedience. Adultery maybe? Because nushuz being disobedience doesn't make any sense.
Husband Wify, where is launch?
Wife (delays a bit), OK hun, its coming up.
Husband Hmm, Wify lagged, seems she is going to disobey me one day.
Wife brings launch.
Husband Come here baby.
Wify comes close.
Husband SPANKS her hard.
Wife Why did you hit me? I didn't do anything!
Husband JUST IN CASE.Peace,
Rami
Salaam
How about this
Mother Son today your wife was out and about as soon as you left the house and I saw her going out with a man in the side road behind houses and then I don?t know where she disappeared for one hour.
Husband to his wife Where did you go today?
Wife No we just went out shopping.
Husband And who was the man with you?
Wife Which man?
Husband; The one you were chatting with and went behind the houses with?
Wife I was chatting with no man.
Husband My mother told me she saw you with a man.
Wife Your mother is always spying on me coming up with lies.
Husband How dare you call my mother a liar
Wife She?s been telling so many lies about me and you only trust what she says. I can?t even tell you what a nasty women she is; always looking to make stories out of nothing.
Husband Bang!!!! How dare you call my mother nasty?! She is my mother and you answer back and you go out with other men!
Wife; You had no right to do that to me
Bang Husband Are you telling me you know more than all the Imams.There is Knock on the door. A neighbour comes to thank the wife for helping her husband, who suffers from dementia, to get home safely.
Now in this case, 'If he/she fears nushuz'
Is it the husband who fears he may break the boundaries that he may not be able to keep his temper in control or his temper in obedience? hmm -
The man actually 'rents' the woman to pass his seed. This is called 'agr' or wage. You could aslo rent a woman to breastfeed your child.
Peace,Rami
Salaam
Since a husbands rents a womb and as long as his seed has been fertilizes he should not expect any thing else from a wife.
And what happens where the wife is barren? hmm -
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Salaam
Since a husbands rents a womb and as long as his seed has been fertilizes he should not expect any thing else from a wife.
And what happens where the wife is barren? hmmAnd what happens when we have a squatter? elektro
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In that case a prostitute is much better off, no obligation just pay for pleasure and off she goes her way. tempt
No if she sleep with another man before the waiting period passes, this is Zina and deserves punishment. Plus the man should care for her all that period.
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So she can complete her waiting period and be more free than a wife? tempt
Once the waiting period is over, she can go and marry anyone. Marriage without intercourse requires no waiting period to break, so Zina is adultery on the woman's side only (polygamy is permitted).
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Once the waiting period is over, she can go and marry anyone. Marriage without intercourse requires no waiting period to break, so Zina is adultery on the woman's side only (polygamy is permitted).
Why should a woman enter into marriage only to be beaten up since she is for rent? Why not take the easy way out of all the hassle and obligations to obey?
Btw., since you are answering my posts, maybe it would be helpful if you could take a look at my reply N0 31. -
Why should a woman enter into marriage only to be beaten up since she is for rent? Why not take the easy way out of all the hassle and obligations to obey?
Btw., since you are answering my posts, maybe it would be helpful if you could take a look at my reply N0 31.She doesn't have to marry if she refuses to. And why da heck will she undergo 'nushuz' and insist on it. Regarding reply 31, the man in your example didn't take the steps before he spanked her.(reminds me of the viscious guy in my avatar)
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She doesn't have to marry if she refuses to. And why da heck will she undergo 'nushuz' and insist on it.
Undergo Nushuz who, the husband or the wife?
Regarding reply 31, the man in your example didn't take the steps before he spanked her.(reminds me of the viscious guy in my avatar) D
Nor did the husband in your reply no 28 P, which goes to show that husbands don?t really understand the relevance of 'nushuz' ie fear of temper crossing its limit and important instructions to curb it.
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Undergo Nushuz who, the husband or the wife?Nor did the husband in your reply no 28 , which goes to show that husbands dont really understand the relevance of 'nushuz' ie fear of temper crossing its limit and important instructions to curb it.
peaceBoth should respect the marriage. I still cant get this nushuz business. What will a human do in a marriage to be called 'nashez' ? how can you know that nushuz is coming to fear it and act?
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Both should respect the marriage. I still cant get this nushuz business. What will a human do in a marriage to be called 'nashez' ? how can you know that nushuz is coming to fear it and act?
Yes! Both should recognise their respective roles and respect each other as equal partners but different in character.
Once we understand exact relevance of nashez' only then we would understand this passage of the Qur?an properly..
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Peace,
Beating wife is force; but then using force is not Islam! And this shall be the essential practice of a muslim in the path of Islam. Therefore meaning to the ayat concerned must be constructive to Islam and Quran. Stop beating Islam; stop beating Quran!
Regards,
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Peace,
Beating wife is force; but then using force is not Islam! And this shall be the essential practice of a muslim in the path of Islam. Therefore meaning to the ayat concerned must be constructive to Islam and Quran. Stop beating Islam; stop beating Quran!
Regards,
Salaam,
Yes using force is not in line with the character of one who is supposed to be QWAMOON/protector/assurer. They can very well perform this role when they have non-challenging, believing women, but as for those who are provoked in their manhood, to the extent that they are unable to maintain their task as the protector, and fear that they may not be able to obey to God in their duty as qwamoon are reminded about this 'nushuz' and to follow certain procedures that prevent them from using force. This is how I see it; otherwise to give a go-ahead to beat a woman, perhaps the mother of your child, is not in line with other passages where man and woman are given equal rights and respect.
Men are told that the wives are as their tilths and many people take this to mean that they are simply for the menial task of passing on man?s seed. This, IMO, is a wrong understanding, as the tilth, the tilled land, is a farmer?s most precious possession that he protects and nurtures , averting any harm to it, as from his tilth grows his livelihood. Similarly, as expected of a qwamoon over nisa, a man should strive to live in love and tranquillity with his most treasured companion, his wife and vice versa.
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Salaam,
Men are told that the wives are as their tilths and many people take this to mean that they are simply for the menial task of passing on man?s seed. This, IMO, is a wrong understanding, as the tilth, the tilled land, is a farmer?s most precious possession that he protects and nurtures , averting any harm to it, as from his tilth grows his livelihood. Similarly, as expected of a qwamoon over nisa, a man should strive to live in love and tranquillity with his most treasured companion, his wife and vice versa.
peacefarida,
Any God Blessed true mumin will have the same meaning to the ayat; and one more important thing to be explored in the ayat is that they must go to them in just manner that Allah had admonished. None cares to know what this admonition is. Since with monthly periods Allah purifies a woman, it is mandatory upon the husband to complete certain norms before he nears his purified wife like he is newly wedded. So it is incumbent upon a person to give the dowry before he touches her as had given her for the first time when he got married to her.
Peace,
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