Every verse that has to do with salat?
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Peace
I think these vesres may contribute also
17107 Say ?Believe in it or do not believe in it. Those who have been given the knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating.?
17108 And they say ?Praise be to our Lord. Truly, the promise of our Lord was fulfilled.?
17109 And they fall upon their chins crying, and it increases them in humility.
2564 And those who stay awake for their Lord, in prostration and standing. -
Peace
I think these vesres may contribute also
17107 Say ?Believe in it or do not believe in it. Those who have been given the knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating.?
17108 And they say ?Praise be to our Lord. Truly, the promise of our Lord was fulfilled.?
17109 And they fall upon their chins crying, and it increases them in humility.
2564 And those who stay awake for their Lord, in prostration and standing."when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating.?
In plain english to me anyways;
"They nod their heads in acceptance/showing aproval"
nod Show phonetics
verb nodding, past nodded
to move your head up and down as a way of agreeing, to give someone a sign, or to point to something
They nodded enthusiastically at the proposal.
Barbara nodded in approval.
She nodded towards Hugh.
nod noun
He gave a nod of approval.peace
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peace,
I recommend looking up the root saad-lam-waw here
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htmDoing so, will lead one to finding every occurrence in The Quran, classical Arabic meanings and grammar info
= Sad-Lam-Waw = prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnifiy, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached.
In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse?s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached).
Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.musalla (ي n. m. - 2125
salat (ة n. f. sing. - 23, 243, 245, 283, 2110, 2153, 2177, 2238, 2277, 443, 477, 4101, 4102, 4103, 4103, 4103, 4142, 4162, 56, 512, 555, 558, 591, 5106, 672, 692, 6162, 7170, 83, 835, 95, 911, 918, 954, 971, 9103, 1087, 1187, 11114, 1322, 1431, 1437, 1440, 1778, 17110, 1931, 1955, 1959, 2014, 20132, 2173, 2235, 2241, 2278, 232, 2437, 2441, 2456, 2458, 2458, 273, 2945, 2945, 3031, 314, 3117, 3333, 3518, 3529, 4238, 5813, 629, 6210, 7023, 7034, 7320, 985, 1075
salawat (ت nom. gen. n. plu. - 2157, 2238, 999, 2240, 239salla (ي vb.II m.
perf. act. 7531, 8715, 9610
impf. act. 339, plu. neg. 4102, plu. 4102, tusalli (ل neg. 984, yusallee (ي sing. 3343, yusalloona (ن plu. 3356
salli (ل impv. 9103, salloo (ا plu. 3356, 1082
musalleena (ن pcple. act. plu. acc. gen. 7022, 7443, 1074LL, V4, p 444, 445
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?Humble themselves consentingly? becomes ?bow and prostrate?
Posted on January 5, 2009 by Aidid SafarThe last phrase in 2125 is wa-roka?is-sujud, which means those who humble themselves consenting. The religionists have mangled the meaning here and say it means to physically bow and prostrate. It embroils a regimented body movement only worthy of pagan rituals.
Physical bowing and prostrating have become the critical components of the body movements in the Arab religion. Without these pantomimed movements their rituals will become redundant and useless. They believe the instruction of these body movements were ordained by God by virtue of 2125 and 2226.
For many centuries, non-Arabs who have mastered the Arabic language have allowed themselves to be subjugated by the religionists without verifying simple words by reference to other verses in the Reading. Having discovered this, I feel sorry for the Muslims who perform these silly body movements without verifying the correctness of their understanding from their own Book.
Since they are conditioned to believe that the word bayta in 2125 means the house, naturally, bayti-ya in the same verse must mean My house. Although they do not physically cleanse God?s house, they derive tremendous satisfaction by circumambulating the Cube. The Muslims were made to believe that the meaning of the passage in 2125 is
Thor-hira Cleanse the house.
Thor-iffin Walk around the house (because they believe the religionists who say that the word Tho-iffin has the same meaning as the word Thawwaf. However, these two words are not the same).
a?kiffin Retreat to a house.
wa-roka? is sujud Bow and prostrate physically to a house (since they also believe the word roka? is sujud is physical bowing and prostrating).
Since they proudly claim Islam abhors all images and icons, how can they not notice that the religious rites they faithfully observe are blatant idol-worship? Do they not devote their faith and bow and prostrate to a physical house?
If their answer is no
- Then why do they say it is ?God?s house??
- Why do they use the expression baytul-lah which is not found in the Reading?
The truth is the innovators of the Arab religion have been very successful in deceiving people. They make their followers perform ridiculous body movements without telling them why. Yet they cannot even answer these simple questions!
No modern Arab or scholar of the Arab religion can provide intelligent answers to these basic questions
- Is the stone house in Mecca God?s house or baytul-lah?
- Why is God not inside His house - or is He?
- Why do they have to bow and prostrate to the rocks carved by the Arab?
- Are they prostrating to God or to the rocks?
- Why do they walk around the house and in an anti-clockwise direction?
- If they are prostrating to God and not the rock hunk, can we move the stone structure to Japan, Australia, Canada, Mexico or other countries?
- Would their pilgrimage ritual and their five daily ritual prayers be nullified without making the rock hunk as their focal point.
Of course, the crux of the matter lies in simple logic. If they worship the house, they need to say that God is present in it. If that is the case - fine. However, if God does not live in the Cube, they are venerating the cube-idol. All they have to do is prove that God is in there.
If no sensible answer is forthcoming from the religionists themselves, why then should the Muslims continue to put their trust in the religionists? Perhaps they naively assume it is not harmful to follow the religionists blindly. The pertinent question is whether obeying such absurdity will save them from the Hell Fire? Is it worthwhile ignoring something so important by not verifying the correctness of its meaning by using one?s own common sense? According to the Reading ?the worst creatures at the sight of God are those who do not use their common sense?.
Is it not time yet for the sensible Muslims to come to their senses and seek forgiveness and mercy from their Lord while they still can? Is it so difficult for them to be sincere to Him alone in pursuing for His grace and pleasure? These are some of the fundamental questions the non-Arabs should consider seriously.
The religionists have, indeed, twisted the meaning of many words in the Reading to divert mankind from the path of God including wa-roka?is-sujud in 2125 which simply means those who humble themselves consentingly.
The message in 2125 is that Abraham was directed to the system and had diligently committed himself to devote and humble himself with consent to the will of God in the system. His son Ishmael was similarly committed, and both of them cleansed the system for throngs of people who are devoted and also those who humble1 themselves consentingly to the same system. Abraham and Ishmael were not devoting themselves to a physical house, neither have they circumambulated, or bow and prostrate physically to some rocks. Those who follow the footsteps of Abraham are not expected to bow or prostrate to anything. They should devote and humble themselves by consenting themselves to the same system by upholding their commitments to observe the deen prescribed by God. That is all that is meant.
There is no verse in the Reading that implies that roka?is-sujud carries the sense of physical bowing and prostrating.
1 Humble, humbling or humbled is derived from the word ruku?. Humble people feel they are not important or good enough to criticise others or to have much attention paid to them by other people. God told the children of Israel to be humble to accept His revelations. In 243 He said, ?war-ka?u-ma?al-ror-ke-en?
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Hello, I am new to freeminds.
I have a question. Why does God say "Offer the salat in the manner He has taught you, which you knew not"? (Chapter2 verse 239-Yousuf's translation)
I don't the manner in which He taught us to offer salat.I used to offer prayer as my parents taught me this (Sunni). Then it got repetitive and I did not feel close to God. At certain part of the act though, I would feel it was working, I felt close to GOD, felt at peace. I don't if that was what God was intending. I am confused about God's meaning about Salat and whether it is a form of prayer.
Any comments/suggestions?
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Sorry that post was not from Roshan, it was from me. I did not know he was logged on.
Hello, I am new to freeminds.
I have a question. Why does God say "Offer the salat in the manner He has taught you, which you knew not"? (Chapter2 verse 239-Yousuf's translation)
I don't the manner in which He taught us to offer salat.I used to offer prayer as my parents taught me this (Sunni). Then it got repetitive and I did not feel close to God. At certain part of the act though, I would feel it was working, I felt close to GOD, felt at peace. I don't if that was what God was intending. I am confused about God's meaning about Salat and whether it is a form of prayer.
Any comments/suggestions?
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peace yara,
First of all, welcome to the forum.
Secondly, why do you try to base your following on only one translation? ALL translations are imperfect, and as a minimum whenever one has a question one should check at least several translations. Doing this simple step would have resolved your question.
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Intelligent_Approach_to_Islam.htm
Please utilise the tools at www.StudyQuran.org for example
The literal translation of M&S Ahmed for example is as follows
So if you feared, so walking or riding , so if you became safe/secure , so mention/remember God, as He taught you what you were not knowing.
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Salam
Every translation is one's individual understanding based on his own reasoning; so every one has to read with his own perception in the good sense. Never take into consideration at all anybody's translation which is not at all feasible to you for the practice. Your own natural understanding shall befit your nature. Thus practicing Islam becomes natural without force.
Salat means pondering every ayat in the direction of Allah 62 9 that it strengthens one's own Iman 9 123 every time an ayat is recited. The understanding gained on account of such salat makes you go for His Bountiful Grace 62 10 rather than race for money.
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Peace,
In order for 'salaat' to be non-physical, it means other aspects concerning salaat are also presumed to be non-physical, right? So, what about wudhu - is this a physical act? Based on the Reading, YES, it is a physical act of cleansing oneself before the salaat observance... So, why would you have to physically cleanse yourself (wudhu) before committing a non-physical action (salaat)? Does this make sense? What is wudhu preparation for doing?
Also, the condition of "bow and prostrate" could be determined to be 'humble themselves consentingly' ONLY IF THEY ARE CONJOINED. According to the Reading, they're not conjoined, and the scriptures mention bowing without prostrating, as well as prostrating without bowing. This means they have separate meanings and designations. In other words, "bowing" is one action, and "prostrating" is a different action, whether you want to consider them physical or not. If you can bow without prostrating (or prostrate without bowing), then these two concepts can't be conjoined... So, for those who believe salaat is non-physical, then what is "ruku", and what is "sujood"?
Peace,
Ahmad
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peace AB, all,
I find it interesting that two spheres of meaning seem to dominate when it comes to discussing "salat" on this forum.
- physical
- non-physical
And when they are phrased like this they are of course absurd. If we cant even get the words we use correct, what chance do we have when we are trying to understand concepts and meanings!
Let's get one thing straight, no matter if one thinks salat=prayer (i.e. physical) or salat=upholding commandments (non-physical), neither is 100% physical or 100% non-physical, BOTH involve a mental component as well as a physical component. Just like when one gives to charity, it is both an action of the body and mind, but you will NEVER hear someone argue "physical charity".... and the reason is this wording is of course absurd, yet this wording gets used like this for salat. It is the height of nonsense.
This thread is for occurrences of salat, not its meaning. I posted the above to clarify a painfully obvious point.
KEEP it on topic or risk posts getting deleted without notice, as per forum rules. There are plenty of threads discussing meaning of salat, and other words.
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Peace be upon you Wakas,
neither is 100% physical or 100% non-physical, BOTH involve a mental component as well as a physical component
Exactly!
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Peace be upon you Bahr53,
The message in 2125 is that Abraham was directed to the system and had diligently committed himself to devote and humble himself with consent to the will of God in the system. His son Ishmael was similarly committed, and both of them cleansed the system for throngs of people who are devoted and also those who humble1 themselves consentingly to the same system. Abraham and Ishmael were not devoting themselves to a physical house, neither have they circumambulated, or bow and prostrate physically to some rocks. Those who follow the footsteps of Abraham are not expected to bow or prostrate to anything. They should devote and humble themselves by consenting themselves to the same system by upholding their commitments to observe the deen prescribed by God. That is all that is meant.
So beautiful! WHat was the brothers name who wrote this article? I cannot recall and I would like to read it again.
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We must bear in mind that Mind is the only thing that shall be allowed to function to keep control of the physique. Thus there is either 100% wisdom involving soulfully, the mind or else none at all. Body shall submit and obey the mindfulness. Let the body become a wholesome functional element and be in oneness with the mind. If we allow the body to become active as in physical salaat, such act dissociates mind and body as two units independent of each other, then we are split personalities. The physical and mental salat combined into one as a ritual salat causes such irregularities!
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drfazl, perhaps you are unaware that our minds control the body, not the other way around.
Would it not be more proper to suggest that the brain receives and conveys/communicates the messages to the body cells.
How can the brain control the body unless it is excited by something/someone foreign to it? No cell, living or dead/of matter could initiate any action untill it is excited by the energy exerted/applied on it. Brain cells cannot be considered an exception to this basic fact of the universe. Therefore the quoted statement needs to be considered somewhat more in depth, before making or considering it a proven fact.
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Salaam Yara
If you re-read the article from Aidid Safar you see that Salaah/Solaa etc have nothing whatsoever to ritual prayer. It means comitting yourself to Allah's Deen Islam, that is DOING what Allah tells us in the Quran. It is all about action, like not corrupting the earth (pollution), do good deeds, help the poor and there are many stories and sayings in the Quran on what to DO.And when it comes to PRAYER we call on Allah the Merciful (or any of His attribute, as I believe it is NOT enough to just call on Allah or God, you MUST add some of His atributes, like the Creator, The Maker of all etc) we can do that anytime in any position we feel the need to adopt.
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Salaam Yara
If you re-read the article from Aidid Safar you see that Salaah/Solaa etc have nothing whatsoever to ritual prayer. It means comitting yourself to Allah's Deen Islam, that is DOING what Allah tells us in the Quran. It is all about action, like not corrupting the earth (pollution), do good deeds, help the poor and there are many stories and sayings in the Quran on what to DO.And when it comes to PRAYER we call on Allah the Merciful (or any of His attribute, as I believe it is NOT enough to just call on Allah or God, you MUST add some of His atributes, like the Creator, The Maker of all etc) we can do that anytime in any position we feel the need to adopt.
If that is true, what were they doing in the battlefield? {Refer 4102}
