which is the better calendar system for a better developed world.
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Hi All,
Be Honest! Thanks All who take part. peace
How calendars are made
Creating useful, consistent, universal units of time is much trickier than it may seem. Though the day (sunup to sundown) seems like an intuitive basic unit at first glance, its length varies depending on where you are in the world and what time of year you find yourself in. Moreover, counting days is not very useful for measuring large units of time most of us, especially in urban environments, need to work with larger blocks like months and years.Following the movements of celestial bodies is a pretty good way to mark time unlike crops, animals, and human bodies, the movements of the sun, the moon, and the stars are consistent, long-term, easy to track, and unaffected by natural disasters.
The sun and the moon each provide certain advantages and disadvantages for calendar-making. A lunisolar system tries to combine solar and lunar systems to achieve the advantages of both.
Solar calendars are used in most of the industrialized world today. The ancient Egyptians and the imperial Romans both used variations of the system that we use; in fact, many of our month's names are borrowed from the Romans. Solar calendars track the movement of the sun across the sky, in a path that astronomers call the ecliptic.
Such a calendar is keyed almost exactly to the movement of the earth around the sun in space, creating a convenient link between the calendar and the seasons. (I say "almost exactly" because the earth does not take a nice, even number of days to revolve around the sun, and systems need to be put into place to get them back in synch.)
Advantages Accurate with regard to the seasons in the northern hemisphere, July will always take place in the summer. Relatively accurate over the long term, especially if your culture knows how to mess around with intercalary days.
Disadvantages Most people have never heard of an ecliptic and wouldn't know how to follow the sun across one. (In other words, the average person cannot simply glance up and know what day it is; a solar calendar needs to be maintained by professional priests or astronomers.) Also, a straight-up solar calendar might be accurate enough for the length of a generation or two, but elaborate systems of leap years, leap minutes, and leap seconds need to take up some of the slack over the course of centuries.
Lunar calendars, such as the Muslim calendar, count months ("moon"ths) by the phases of the moon.Advantages An easy, intuitive system a lunar month is a convenient and easily-visible way to track time.
Disadvantages A lunar month is almost exactly 29? days, meaning it doesn't divide up neatly into sunup-sundown days, and thus the beginning of a new lunar month is not perfectly predictable. Thirteen lunar months make a year of a little over 354 days, which does not match the solar year of 365? days. Therefore the months "slide around" throughout the year. (This why Ramadan does not always take place in the same season.)
The best of both worlds?
Lunisolar calendars are an attempt to combine the best of both systems by using lunar months and inserting "leap months" (what astronomers call intercalary or embolismic months) every several years to keep the seasons in synch. The ancient Babylonians used a lunisolar calendar, which was eventually incorporated into the Jewish calendar with very similar names for the months.Many very ancient calendars -- including that of the pre-Jewish Israelites and the ancient Chinese -- were purely lunar, but became lunisolar to make record-keeping easier.
Gods Blessings.
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Peace Simple,
As your post indicates, the most robust calendar is a Luni-solar one. However, the problems arose because the intercalation decision is left to religious or political authorities which do the intercalation according to their whims. The god has solved the intercalation problem for us by telling us that we should simply count 12 full-moons in a year. Therefore, we would skip counting the occasional 13th full-moon and thereby efforlessly and automatically intercalate without need for religious and political authorities to decide the intercalation based on their whims and thereby violating the hunting restrictions.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with using any other calendar and the god doesn't prohibit us from doing so. He only prohibits us from violating the hunting restriction. So for the purpose of the hunting restriction and knowing when to fast and when to conduct the feast we must use the universal cosmic system that the god gave us. For other purposes, you can use any other calendar. Of course, if you use a calendar that is aligned with the god's system then it is definitely the best calendar.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaams Br. Ayman,
we would skip the count of the thirteenth moon....
can you realy skip any even one day in any year? is that any method of record keeping?
skip all those people born in that additional month?
e.t.c
Br.Ayman there isn't a callender system in the quran- believe me hypno
you have simply tripped on the callender system which is being forcibly imposed in the quran by you know who, the hindus who have imposed so many of their other religeous beliefs, there isn't a callender there at all!
A hindu callender;
The Lunar Year
According to the Hindu calendar, a lunar year consists of 12 months. A lunar month has two fortnights, and begins with the new moon called "amavasya". The lunar days are called "tithis". Each month has 30 tithis, which may vary from 20 - 27 hours. During the waxing phases, tithis are called "shukla" or the bright phase ? the auspicious fortnight, beginning with the full moon night called "purnima". Tithis for the waning phases are called "krishna" or the dark phase, which is regarded as the inauspicious fortnight. (see table)There isn't a mention of animals as such i think in sura nine and yet it mentions the 12 shahr and the four forbidden and the violations committed by disbelievers-fighting killing evicting people e.t.c
so can the whole sura be simply about people rather them animals , when no animals are actualy mentioned?
think about it.
"Know that the use of the additional month causes an increase in rejection, for it is used by those who have rejected that they may misguide with it by making it lawful one year and forbidding it one year, so as to circumvent the count that God has made restricted; thus they make lawful what God made forbidden! Their evil works have been adorned for them, and God does not guide the rejecting people." (937)
The Scripture tells us that previous generations had manipulated the 13th month by counting it in some years and completely ignoring it in others, thereby circumventing the correct start of the restricted months in-order to make the hunting of wildlife lawful in the period that God has decreed was 'forbidden'.
To address this issue, the Scripture decreed the simplest answer, which is to simply ignore the 13th month that occurs within a solar year and thus keeping with the instruction that only 12 months are to be maintained within the solar year
"The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's record the day He created the heavens and the Earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous." (936)I think Aidid unfolded this hunting restrictions thingy , but he didn't see that the hindu conspirators where actualy imposing it on the quran.
The quran is about people , don't shed blood, don't kill, don't violate..................
peace
God Bless.
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Peace Simple,
can you realy skip any even one day in any year? is that any method of record keeping?
Skipping is different than making something disappear. Skipping doesn't mean that it is not there. The 13th full-moon (not month) is simply ignored for the purpose of counting to automatically adjust the lunar cycle with the seasons.
You still haven't showed or proved that there is a better or more universal system for timing.
skip all those people born in that additional month?
No just skip counting the "full-moon" event.
On the other hand, if you were born on February 29th then your birthday would happen every four years. )
Br.Ayman there isn't a callender system in the quran- believe me hypno
I know that there is no calendar system. There is only a universal timing system for timing the hunting restriction, the abstinence and the feast. This is all.
you have simply tripped on the callender system which is being forcibly imposed in the quran by you know who, the hindus who have imposed so many of their other religeous beliefs, there isn't a callender there at all!
A hindu callender;The Hindu calendar that you are describing is similar to the sectarian baseless and useless lunar-calendar which is completely different than what is in the great reading. You haven't been paying attention. No one has ever "imposed" what I found in the great reading. It is the best system and as such, it doesn't need to be imposed and will remain true regardless of what people do or not do.
There isn't a mention of animals as such i think in sura nine and yet it mentions the 12 shahr and the four forbidden and the violations committed by disbelievers-fighting killing evicting people e.t.c
so can the whole sura be simply about people rather them animals , when no animals are actualy mentioned?
think about it.The god clearly tells us that the count given in 936-37 has nothing to do with fighting (see also 2217). It has to do with violating what the god has restricted (937). The god clearly tells us in 51 and 595-96 that we should not hunt while we are restricted. It cannot be any clearer.
I think Aidid unfolded this hunting restrictions thingy , but he didn't see that the hindu conspirators where actualy imposing it on the quran.
So because Aidid said something, that makes it true?! Is this what you are now appealing to?
If Aidid is abrogating the clear hunting restrictions in the great reading then he is no better than sectarians.
The quran is about people , don't shed blood, don't kill, don't violate..................
No, the great reading is not only about people. The great reading makes it clear how people are only a small part in the big scheme of things. Don't be so self-centered. We are only here to serve the god just like everything else. We serve the god by doing what you said and by also taking care of other creatures and not corrupting the earth. This is why the god made us leaders in this earth. No good leader thinks that it is all about "me".
Again, the challenge still stands. Please show a better and more universal system for timing and demonstrate how it is better and simpler. How hard can this be?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Simple,
Skipping is different than making something disappear. Skipping doesn't mean that it is not there. The 13th full-moon (not month) is simply ignored for the purpose of counting to automatically adjust the lunar cycle with the seasons.
How on earth do you ignore something, how about the other things associated with it, say you skip counting two weeks associated with the 13th moon -which you must ignore if you ignore the 13th moon and what happens to all them people born in that period, what year will they be in?
You still haven't showed or proved that there is a better or more universal system for timing.
I disagree here- more and more countries are choosing the present system in the world and i agree with their selection also.
No just skip counting the "full-moon" event.
On the other hand, if you were born on February 29th then your birthday would happen every four years. )
never thought about this , thanks.
I know that there is no calendar system. There is only a universal timing system for timing the hunting restriction, the abstinence and the feast. This is all.
Hunting restrictions! How about the forests arn't they important? why no preservation order ?
well Br. i don't think there is a timing system and hunting restrictions (accept hunting humans) abstinence and neither a feast!
The Hindu calendar that you are describing is similar to the sectarian baseless and useless lunar-calendar which is completely different than what is in the great reading. You haven't been paying attention. No one has ever "imposed" what I found in the great reading. It is the best system and as such, it doesn't need to be imposed and will remain true regardless of what people do or not do.
The god clearly tells us that the count given in 936-37 has nothing to do with fighting (see also 2217). It has to do with violating what the god has restricted (937). The god clearly tells us in 51 and 595-96 that we should not hunt while we are restricted. It cannot be any clearer.
No,ooo - i think hmm
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12457.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12842.0
So because Aidid said something, that makes it true?! Is this what you are now appealing to?
If Aidid is abrogating the clear hunting restrictions in the great reading then he is no better than sectarians.
No, the great reading is not only about people. The great reading makes it clear how people are only a small part in the big scheme of things. Don't be so self-centered. We are only here to serve the god just like everything else. We serve the god by doing what you said and by also taking care of other creatures and not corrupting the earth. This is why the god made us leaders in this earth. No good leader thinks that it is all about "me".
Again, the challenge still stands. Please show a better and more universal system for timing and demonstrate how it is better and simpler. How hard can this be?
Peace,
Ayman
peace
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Peace Simple,
How on earth do you ignore something, how about the other things associated with it, say you skip counting two weeks associated with the 13th moon -which you must ignore if you ignore the 13th moon and what happens to all them people born in that period, what year will they be in?
What two weeks? The full-moon is an event not a time period. Anyone can skip counting an event. This has no effect on time. I have been following this system since 2004 and I haven't disappeared off the face of the earth for two weeks. You are not skipping time you are skipping an event.
I disagree here- more and more countries are choosing the present system in the world and i agree with their selection also.
This is the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity. You need to prove how the Roman system that is presently followed is better and more universal.
Hunting restrictions! How about the forests arn't they important? why no preservation order ?
Yes there is! Please see passages such as 2205.
well Br. i don't think there is a timing system and hunting restrictions (accept hunting humans) abstinence and neither a feast!
No,ooo - i think hmm
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12457.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12842.0This is your ungrammatical understanding. On the other hand, if my understanding was false, then you would have been able to easily show a better timing system.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Simple,
What two weeks? The full-moon is an event not a time period. Anyone can skip counting an event. This has no effect on time. I have been following this system since 2004 and I haven't disappeared off the face of the earth for two weeks. You are not skipping time you are skipping an event.
This is the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity. You need to prove how the Roman system that is presently followed is better and more universal.
Yes there is! Please see passages such as 2205.
This is your ungrammatical understanding. On the other hand, if my understanding was false, then you would have been able to easily show a better timing system.
Peace,
Ayman
Okay let me test your callendar, please.
How many days are there in your year?
peace
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Peace Simple,
How many days are there in your year?
The year is marked by the summer sosltice. So it is the days between the summer solstices. This will remain true without ever needing to add a leap year or any adjustments every some hundred years as with the present system.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Simple,
The year is marked by the summer sosltice. So it is the days between the summer solstices. This will remain true without ever needing to add a leap year or any adjustments every some hundred years as with the present system.
Peace,
Ayman
How many days between summer solstices, if they are different every year how many where there in the preceding five years?
peace
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Peace Simple,
It is about 365 1/4 days every year.
Peace,
Ayman
Okay , but when you don't count a moon then don't you have , can have 30-60 daya in a month aswell?how convenient is that?
secondly 937.Verily the transposing (of a prohibited month) is an addition to Unbelief.........
so simply having unbelief regarding this months issue(according to you) makes you an unbeliever and thus will lead you to hell? (224)
Its totally absurd!
hypno
i have tried - but it just doesn't add up that shahr can be month's or full moons.
Please please Br. i am advicing you check Shahr=interactions between men , like the ten commandment and it will open your eye's (with respects).
peace
Love your research on circulating cube theory, and what's in a name though.
God Bless.
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Salam,
Why to choose between one and the other, we should use both as we do today, God says in His book
105
It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for it that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). No wise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand.and in 3640
It is not permitted to the sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).One system cannot catchup the other.
peace
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How about metric time?
. That means that a year will now become a kiloday, a month will be a hectoday and a week will become a decaday. That means there will now be 1000 days to a kiloday (year) instead of the normal 365. As 365 is hardly metric, each day will now be broken up into decidays, centidays and millidays instead of hours, minutes and seconds. There will therefore be 86.4 seconds to a milliday, 14.4 minutes to a centiday and 2.4 hours to a deciday. Well fine so far, but what about our weeks and months? For it to be metric, there will have to be 10 days to a decaday, 10 decadays to a hectoday and 10 hectodays to a kiloday. There will be nearly one and a half weeks to a decaday, The hectoday (month) will be over 3 times longer and the kiloday (year) will be 2.74 of our present year. This works out well as instead of having just 4 seasons a year we will have 10 seasons to a kiloday, keeping it in line with the French metric policy.
So if your day starts at 9 am under the old system then it will start at 3 decidays 75 centidays under the metric system. When you finish work (normally 5.30 pm) it will be 7 decidays 29 centidays meaning you would only have worked 3 decidays 54 centidays, sounds good doesn?t it? It?s even better when you convert it to age. If you are 40 years old at the moment, you will become only 14.6 kilodays old. That means you will be able to buy alcohol at 7.66, get married at 6, graduate from high school at 6 and a half. There is a downside of course. If a man?s life expectancy is 75 at the moment, that will become 27.37, not so good. Each President would have to face re-election every 1.46 kilodays (now that sounds better). Instead of saying ?be there in 5 minute? you would have to say ? be there in 3.47 millidays?.
If we then recalculate our dates we will now be in the kiloday 731.75. Sound familiar? Ever watched Star Trek? ?Captains log, star-date 731.75? rotfl
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Hi All,
Be Honest! Thanks All who take part. peace
How calendars are made
Creating useful, consistent, universal units of time is much trickier than it may seem. Though the day (sunup to sundown) seems like an intuitive basic unit at first glance, its length varies depending on where you are in the world and what time of year you find yourself in. Moreover, counting days is not very useful for measuring large units of time most of us, especially in urban environments, need to work with larger blocks like months and years.Following the movements of celestial bodies is a pretty good way to mark time unlike crops, animals, and human bodies, the movements of the sun, the moon, and the stars are consistent, long-term, easy to track, and unaffected by natural disasters.
The sun and the moon each provide certain advantages and disadvantages for calendar-making. A lunisolar system tries to combine solar and lunar systems to achieve the advantages of both.
Solar calendars are used in most of the industrialized world today. The ancient Egyptians and the imperial Romans both used variations of the system that we use; in fact, many of our month's names are borrowed from the Romans. Solar calendars track the movement of the sun across the sky, in a path that astronomers call the ecliptic.
Such a calendar is keyed almost exactly to the movement of the earth around the sun in space, creating a convenient link between the calendar and the seasons. (I say "almost exactly" because the earth does not take a nice, even number of days to revolve around the sun, and systems need to be put into place to get them back in synch.)
Advantages Accurate with regard to the seasons in the northern hemisphere, July will always take place in the summer. Relatively accurate over the long term, especially if your culture knows how to mess around with intercalary days.
Disadvantages Most people have never heard of an ecliptic and wouldn't know how to follow the sun across one. (In other words, the average person cannot simply glance up and know what day it is; a solar calendar needs to be maintained by professional priests or astronomers.) Also, a straight-up solar calendar might be accurate enough for the length of a generation or two, but elaborate systems of leap years, leap minutes, and leap seconds need to take up some of the slack over the course of centuries.
Lunar calendars, such as the Muslim calendar, count months ("moon"ths) by the phases of the moon.Advantages An easy, intuitive system a lunar month is a convenient and easily-visible way to track time.
Disadvantages A lunar month is almost exactly 29? days, meaning it doesn't divide up neatly into sunup-sundown days, and thus the beginning of a new lunar month is not perfectly predictable. Thirteen lunar months make a year of a little over 354 days, which does not match the solar year of 365? days. Therefore the months "slide around" throughout the year. (This why Ramadan does not always take place in the same season.)
The best of both worlds?
Lunisolar calendars are an attempt to combine the best of both systems by using lunar months and inserting "leap months" (what astronomers call intercalary or embolismic months) every several years to keep the seasons in synch. The ancient Babylonians used a lunisolar calendar, which was eventually incorporated into the Jewish calendar with very similar names for the months.Many very ancient calendars -- including that of the pre-Jewish Israelites and the ancient Chinese -- were purely lunar, but became lunisolar to make record-keeping easier.
Gods Blessings.
How about the mayan calender rotfl I find the gregorian calender easier than the lunar calender