caliph umar converts dumping ground into a "holy" site
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Ok...based on this, Where is the House of God that Prophet Abraham called the humans to make pilgrim to? Is it Mecca or Jerusalem, according to Quran? Please provide a decisive verse that would end this debate.
There's no "house". A house is a physical structure that can be empty (like the black room in Makkah), but a "bayt" can't be empty, and is not necessarily a physical structure, otherwise, how many rooms are there in the bayt of "al albayt"? So, no physical place either. The "bayt" of God is the main concept of His system and his whereabouts is where there's "no shirk" (6151-153).
Good point...And that is why I have been saying that the Quran should be our measure to judge the Translation of the old scriptures and Hadithes...in other words, any thing, from hadith and the Old Scriptures, contradicts the Quran is False.
Fair enough. I am glad we are more in agreement than disagreement.
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samia-but a "bayt" can't be empty, and is not necessarily a physical structure, otherwise, how many rooms are there in the bayt of "al albayt"?
What do u imply when u say that a bayt "is not necessarily a physical structure"? The rest is ur invention.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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What do u imply when u say that a bayt "is not necessarily a physical structure"? The rest is ur invention.
Al-Bayt is a physical structure where the offerings reach to be sacrificed and cooked in the Hajj. It is not an abstract nor a concept. It is the house of God. People have to visit this house in the Hajj.
I already gave you a hint aal albayt . How is it translated? People of the house?
Please scan the quraan for "bayt", and show where it means an empty house. The "house" in Makkah is an empty one. God is not in it. -
samia-I already gave you a hint aal albayt . How is it translated? People of the house?
Where is "aal albayt" in the quraan. Please provide the verse.
Please scan the quraan for "bayt", and show where it means an empty house. The "house" in Makkah is an empty one. God is not in it.
Bayt can be translated as a physical place, empty & full are modifiers u are forcing on it; please don't apply ur "badr as moon does not exist in quran" logic. Who told u God lives in a house?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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The goverment has made the haram area of both mecca & medina forbidden to non-muslims, not just to jews & christians.
Which government? King Saud.... rotfl.... rotfl
Are you for real...do you believe that King Saud, the king of Saudi Arabia is the protractor of God's Holly House...Do you believe that if Christians and Jews have an interest in Mecca, King Saud would stop them hypnothegod, according 9-28 to 31, God tells us that the Jews and Christians had and will have interest in the place where the Holly Massjed exist; thus, the prophet made them pay Jazia "Taxes" while living there; prophet Mohamed porhibted them from entering the Holly Byat and not the City in which the Holly Bayet exist.
Even during the come back of Jews in 1948 to control the Holly Land, they Fought against Otman to conquest Jerusalem...and if they had an interest in Macca, they would have conquer as well.
However, at the time of the advent of islaam, the jews & christians were present from the north to the south, including the current hejaz area. If u can, then prove this wrong.
Present only in a work Visa as contractors, but non lives in the Entire Land of Saudi Arabia.
I do not need to prove you wrong, simply because your request is a "Sorry Request" as your entire post. Every one is reading this thread does not need such a prove.
So, no physical place either. The "bayt" of God is the main concept of His system and his whereabouts is where there's "no shirk" (6151-153).
2-196 shows otherwise...It shows that Hajj "Pilgrim" is to a Physical Place
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belh-
- Would a person who does not know isaiah from isa, nor hebron from jerusalem, merit a reply? Which is ur holy place, hebron or jerusalem?
As for the filthy book u follow, it tells u that solomon was an idolator & a womanizer.
But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods Solomon clave unto these in love.
Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
Is that the solomon who built ur unholy temple? If u want, keep following the filth of ur books, without knowing hebron from jerusalem. Either way, u will end up at a graveyard. If u are ashamed of ur unholy books & their filth, it would be okay. If not, then it would explain ur stance. -)
& keep running away from the fact that the temple of solomon could not have existed until much later after abraham & ishmael. But that after u decide whether ur allegiance lies with hebron or with jerusalem.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb ala'aalameen
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belh-
- Would a person who does not know isaiah from isa, nor hebron from jerusalem, merit a reply? Which is ur holy place, hebron or jerusalem?
As for the filthy book u follow, it tells u that solomon was an idolator & a womanizer.
Is that the solomon who built ur unholy temple? If u want, keep following the filth of ur books, without knowing hebron from jerusalem. Either way, u will end up at a graveyard. If u are ashamed of ur unholy books & their filth, it would be okay. If not, then it would explain ur stance. -)
& keep running away from the fact that the temple of solomon could not have existed until much later after abraham & ishmael. But that after u decide whether ur allegiance lies with hebron or with jerusalem.
Hum...I see that you are out of answers...will...once you find a prove to support that Christians lived in Macca, please let me know so we can proceed; otherwise, your man made book's quotations will not do you any good in this thread or in your relationship with God...Solomon was porn after the Torah was given to Moses...THUS, the true Torah should not have any reference to him !
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samia-I already gave you a hint aal albayt . How is it translated? People of the house?
Where is "aal albayt" in the quraan. Please provide the verse.
Please scan the quraan for "bayt", and show where it means an empty house. The "house" in Makkah is an empty one. God is not in it.
Bayt can be translated as a physical place, empty & full are modifiers u are forcing on it; please don't apply ur "badr as moon does not exist in quran" logic. Who told u God lives in a house?
Well, in the quraan they are ahl albayt . My mistake. But my question stands how is it translated?
I am not forcing anything. Show me "bayt" in the quraan not referring to household when physical.
Who told you God needs a house? -
Well, in the quraan they are ahl albayt . My mistake. But my question stands how is it translated?
I am not forcing anything. Show me "bayt" in the quraan not referring to household when physical.
Who told you God needs a house?Peace
Allow me to respond...the Houses of God are the Places where believers go to for prayer...this can be called Bayt or Masjed...and that is why "Albayet Elharm" and "Almasjed Elharam" are used in reference to the Place Abraham started its strcuture, and Believers were ordered to make pilgrim to. -
Peace
Allow me to respond...the Houses of God are the Places where believers go to for prayer...this can be called Bayt or Masjed...and that is why "Albayet Elharm" and "Almasjed Elharam" are used in reference to the Place Abraham started its strcuture, and Believers were ordered to make pilgrim to.Circular reasoning
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Peace
Allow me to respond...the Houses of God are the Places where believers go to for prayer...this can be called Bayt or Masjed...and that is why "Albayet Elharm" and "Almasjed Elharam" are used in reference to the Place Abraham started its strcuture, and Believers were ordered to make pilgrim to.Why are they "haram"?
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belh-
grin
An illiterate has finally realized that torah must have been revealed before solomon was born, yet the rejector in him insists that his ill-fated temple whose original construction is attributed to solomon is the bayt built by abraham & ishmael. Need I say more? -)
Then, which is ur holy place, hebron or jerusalem?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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samia-Well, in the quraan they are ahl albayt . My mistake. But my question stands how is it translated?
I am not forcing anything. Show me "bayt" in the quraan not referring to household when physical.- Never mind ur mistake. It is translated as "people of the house," the way ahl alkitaab is translated as "people of the book," & denotes association.
1793 or thou have a house of gold; or thou ascend by a ladder to heaven Neither will we believe thy ascending thither alone, until thou cause a book to descend unto us, bearing witness of thee, which we may read. Answer, my Lord be praised! Am I other than a man, sent as an Apostle?
Now, do u have anything to back up ur inventions?
-Who told you God needs a house?
- What were u atemptng by forging a connection between "empty" house & God not being in it?
Further, provide references for "bayt can't be empty"; where did u get that idea from?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-
grin
An illiterate has finally realized that torah must have been revealed before solomon was born, yet the rejector in him insists that his ill-fated temple whose original construction is attributed to solomon is the bayt built by abraham & ishmael. Need I say more? -)
Then, which is ur holy place, hebron or jerusalem?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
Why do I have to corner you like a rate; stick to the Question and respond
Hum...I see that you are out of answers...will...once you find a prove to support that Christians lived in Macca, please let me know so we can proceed;
the above is a very reasonable request...as you know 9-28 to 31 are very well-established verses that prove the Christians and Jews lived in the city where the Masjed Elharm exist.
Please do not let me chase you again...I'm too old for that )
samia-
Also, provide a verse from the quraan where "bayt", by itself, means household.
I have to say...I agree with you in this one handshake
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belh-the above is a very reasonable request...as you know 9-28 to 31 are very well-established verses that prove the Christians and Jews lived in the city where the Masjed Elharm exist.
Yet another sad lie....928 does not mention jews & christians.
928 O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, God shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; God is All-knowing; All-wise.
How often do u want to be humiliated on account of ur lies? -)
-I'm too old for that
Even in ur old age u are earning nothing but humiliation; no wonder, u are all wrapped up in filth. A little literacy might have made a difference, but again, may be not, grin
Before u hide away, which location have u chosen for the bayt of ur god -- hebron or jerusalem? -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen