caliph umar converts dumping ground into a "holy" site
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belh-
- Would a person who does not know isaiah from isa, nor hebron from jerusalem, merit a reply? Which is ur holy place, hebron or jerusalem?
As for the filthy book u follow, it tells u that solomon was an idolator & a womanizer.
Is that the solomon who built ur unholy temple? If u want, keep following the filth of ur books, without knowing hebron from jerusalem. Either way, u will end up at a graveyard. If u are ashamed of ur unholy books & their filth, it would be okay. If not, then it would explain ur stance. -)
& keep running away from the fact that the temple of solomon could not have existed until much later after abraham & ishmael. But that after u decide whether ur allegiance lies with hebron or with jerusalem.
Hum...I see that you are out of answers...will...once you find a prove to support that Christians lived in Macca, please let me know so we can proceed; otherwise, your man made book's quotations will not do you any good in this thread or in your relationship with God...Solomon was porn after the Torah was given to Moses...THUS, the true Torah should not have any reference to him !
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samia-I already gave you a hint aal albayt . How is it translated? People of the house?
Where is "aal albayt" in the quraan. Please provide the verse.
Please scan the quraan for "bayt", and show where it means an empty house. The "house" in Makkah is an empty one. God is not in it.
Bayt can be translated as a physical place, empty & full are modifiers u are forcing on it; please don't apply ur "badr as moon does not exist in quran" logic. Who told u God lives in a house?
Well, in the quraan they are ahl albayt . My mistake. But my question stands how is it translated?
I am not forcing anything. Show me "bayt" in the quraan not referring to household when physical.
Who told you God needs a house? -
Well, in the quraan they are ahl albayt . My mistake. But my question stands how is it translated?
I am not forcing anything. Show me "bayt" in the quraan not referring to household when physical.
Who told you God needs a house?Peace
Allow me to respond...the Houses of God are the Places where believers go to for prayer...this can be called Bayt or Masjed...and that is why "Albayet Elharm" and "Almasjed Elharam" are used in reference to the Place Abraham started its strcuture, and Believers were ordered to make pilgrim to. -
Peace
Allow me to respond...the Houses of God are the Places where believers go to for prayer...this can be called Bayt or Masjed...and that is why "Albayet Elharm" and "Almasjed Elharam" are used in reference to the Place Abraham started its strcuture, and Believers were ordered to make pilgrim to.Circular reasoning
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Peace
Allow me to respond...the Houses of God are the Places where believers go to for prayer...this can be called Bayt or Masjed...and that is why "Albayet Elharm" and "Almasjed Elharam" are used in reference to the Place Abraham started its strcuture, and Believers were ordered to make pilgrim to.Why are they "haram"?
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belh-
grin
An illiterate has finally realized that torah must have been revealed before solomon was born, yet the rejector in him insists that his ill-fated temple whose original construction is attributed to solomon is the bayt built by abraham & ishmael. Need I say more? -)
Then, which is ur holy place, hebron or jerusalem?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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samia-Well, in the quraan they are ahl albayt . My mistake. But my question stands how is it translated?
I am not forcing anything. Show me "bayt" in the quraan not referring to household when physical.- Never mind ur mistake. It is translated as "people of the house," the way ahl alkitaab is translated as "people of the book," & denotes association.
1793 or thou have a house of gold; or thou ascend by a ladder to heaven Neither will we believe thy ascending thither alone, until thou cause a book to descend unto us, bearing witness of thee, which we may read. Answer, my Lord be praised! Am I other than a man, sent as an Apostle?
Now, do u have anything to back up ur inventions?
-Who told you God needs a house?
- What were u atemptng by forging a connection between "empty" house & God not being in it?
Further, provide references for "bayt can't be empty"; where did u get that idea from?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-
grin
An illiterate has finally realized that torah must have been revealed before solomon was born, yet the rejector in him insists that his ill-fated temple whose original construction is attributed to solomon is the bayt built by abraham & ishmael. Need I say more? -)
Then, which is ur holy place, hebron or jerusalem?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
Why do I have to corner you like a rate; stick to the Question and respond
Hum...I see that you are out of answers...will...once you find a prove to support that Christians lived in Macca, please let me know so we can proceed;
the above is a very reasonable request...as you know 9-28 to 31 are very well-established verses that prove the Christians and Jews lived in the city where the Masjed Elharm exist.
Please do not let me chase you again...I'm too old for that )
samia-
Also, provide a verse from the quraan where "bayt", by itself, means household.
I have to say...I agree with you in this one handshake
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belh-the above is a very reasonable request...as you know 9-28 to 31 are very well-established verses that prove the Christians and Jews lived in the city where the Masjed Elharm exist.
Yet another sad lie....928 does not mention jews & christians.
928 O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, God shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; God is All-knowing; All-wise.
How often do u want to be humiliated on account of ur lies? -)
-I'm too old for that
Even in ur old age u are earning nothing but humiliation; no wonder, u are all wrapped up in filth. A little literacy might have made a difference, but again, may be not, grin
Before u hide away, which location have u chosen for the bayt of ur god -- hebron or jerusalem? -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-the above is a very reasonable request...as you know 9-28 to 31 are very well-established verses that prove the Christians and Jews lived in the city where the Masjed Elharm exist.
Yet another sad lie....928 does not mention jews & christians.
Calm Down rotfl
As I said, I will repeat again, 9-28 through 31 prove prove the Christians and Jews lived in the city where the Masjed Elharm exist.
Now take a deep breath and answer?
Another reminder, please do not let me chase you around... yes...Old Man.
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belh-As I said, I will repeat again, 9-28 through 31 prove prove the Christians and Jews lived in the city where the Masjed Elharm exist.
Don't let old age be an excuse for ur illiteracy. The verse clearly mentions "idolators," & a clearl distinction is made between pagans & jews-christians. -)
98 1 Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence,
The verse makes it clear that the pagans had interest in almasjid alharaam. I think u are confused because u don't know where a grave-worshipper will fit in, innit. Let me help u -- ur qiblaa is at jerusalem, which the muslims have been forbidden. -)
& why is the old illiterate still not letting me know whether it is hebron or jerusalem for him? Why do u follow that which makes u so embarrassed? -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-As I said, I will repeat again, 9-28 through 31 prove prove the Christians and Jews lived in the city where the Masjed Elharm exist.
Don't let old age be an excuse for ur illiteracy. The verse clearly mentions "idolators," & a clearl distinction is made between pagans & jews-christians. -)
Moshrkeen are the People of the Book who associate to God what He has never authorized (e.g., Suni, Shia, Christians, Jews)...
Now, if you complete reading 9-29, 30, and 31 you will note who are those Moshrkeen whom the Prophet had to fight against while conquering The City where the Masjed Elharm Exist.Ok...I see that you are concurring that Christians and Jews did not Live in Mecca...Thank You handshake
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belh-Moshrkeen are the People of the Book who associate to God what He has never authorized (e.g., Suni, Shia, Christians, Jews)...
Mushrikeen are clearly differentiate from ahl alkitaab, as proven by 981. Now don't run away again.
-Now, if you complete reading 9-29, 30, and 31 you will note who are those Moshrkeen whom the Prophet had to fight against while conquering The City where the Masjed Elharm Exist.
Fittingly, the next verse talks about ahl alkitaab; a clear distinction again. As v know, the jews turn towards the temple of jerusalem, a qiblaa forbidden to muslims.
That helps -- If u turn towards jerusalem, u are a jew; if towards hebron, u are from an unidentified cult. Say, "thank you". -)
-Ok...I see that you are concurring that Christians and Jews did not Live in Mecca...Thank You
Thanks for strengthening the argument that the jews & christians had rejected the kaaba; 928, coupled with 2145, provides further clarification of 387. No wonder u turn towards jerusalem in keeping with 2145. Despite ur emotional fervor & sprints, u have come up with a good argument against urself. grin
Maybe being emotional & running away is not so bad for u; but take precautions, given ur age -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-Moshrkeen are the People of the Book who associate to God what He has never authorized (e.g., Suni, Shia, Christians, Jews)...
Mushrikeen are clearly differentiate from ahl alkitaab, as proven by 981. Now don't run away again.
Wrong
The Jews said ?Ezra is God?s son,? and the Nazarenes said ?The Messiah is God?s son.? Such is their utterances with their mouths, they imitate the sayings of those who rejected before them. God will fight them. They are deluded from the truth!
930They took their Priests and Monks to be patrons besides God, and the Messiah son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god but He, be He glorified for what they associate.
931These are the Moshreen of Ahel Elketab...moreover, they had to pay the Taxes to the Prophet (the Jezia);
Fittingly, the next verse talks about ahl alkitaab; a clear distinction again. As v know, the jews turn towards the temple of jerusalem, a qiblaa forbidden to muslims.
That helps -- If u turn towards jerusalem, u are a jew; if towards hebron, u are from an unidentified cult. Say, "thank you". -)
The only Qiblaa is the Qiblaa toward Masjed El-Haram, which the Christians and Jews KNOW IS TRUE...
We see the shifting of your face towards the sky; We will thus set for you a focal point that will be pleasing to you ?You shall set yourself towards the Sacred Temple; and wherever you may be, you shall all set yourselves towards it.? Those who have been given the Scripture know it is the truth from their Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.
2144According to the Above, the only Focal Point that the Jews and the Christians know is Truth from their Lord is the Masjed Where Makam Abraham exist in Jerusalem...as I said unless you prove from the Injeel and Torah that Mecca is Mentioned, then you are wasting my time.
-Ok...I see that you are concurring that Christians and Jews did not Live in Mecca...Thank You
Thanks for strengthening the argument that the jews & christians had rejected the kaaba; 928, coupled with 2145, provides further clarification of 387. No wonder u turn towards jerusalem in keeping with 2145. Despite ur emotional fervor & sprints, u have come up with a good argument against urself. grin
So...are you saying that Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon had rejected the Kaaba as well?
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belh-These are the Moshreen of Ahel Elketab...moreover, they had to pay the Taxes to the Prophet (the Jezia);
- Please don't manipulate the quraan; it is clear that the pagans & jews-christians are addressed differently. The quraan may not be sufficient for u, but for me it is. -)
...as I said unless you prove from the Injeel and Torah that Mecca is Mentioned, then you are wasting my time.
- Amazing; it is the testaments of jews & christians that u turn to, rather than the quraan. Even ur own arguments are not good enough for u now.
The "holy" temple of solomon does not exist in the quraan (nor in pentateuch, & how can it?); while the bayt of abraham & ishmael does not exist in the testaments. & u prefer to go after what is not in the quraan.
Let me be very clear; I don't believe in ur books which say that the prophets were idolators, & I am not admitting ur books as any evidence whasoever. If u have anything from the quraan, bring it forth.
-So...are you saying that Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon had rejected the Kaaba as well?
- Are u saying that these prophets were jews?
2141 Or do you say, "Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob, and the Tribes -- they were Jews, or they were Christians"?' Say 'Have you then greater knowledge, or God? And who does greater evil than he who conceals a testimony received from God? And God is not heedless of the things you do.'
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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I will comment on the following
- Amazing; it is the testaments of jews & christians that u turn to, rather than the quraan. Even ur own arguments are not good enough for u now.
The Quran state the following about the Masjed Elharm
Mqam Abraham is its Landmark (not in Macca but in Jerusalem)
The Masjed Exist in BAKAH (Jerusalem and not Macca)Therefore, it confirms what are in Torah and Injeel---Jerusalem and not Macca
The "holy" temple of solomon does not exist in the quraan (nor in pentateuch, & how can it?); while the bayt of abraham & ishmael does not exist in the testaments. & u prefer to go after what is not in the quraan.
And that is why the Focal Point (Qiblah) of Jews (the Temple of Solomon), is different from ours (The Masjed were the Tomb of Prophet Abraham (Maqam) and his wife Sarah exist, right in front of the Dom of The Rock.
-So...are you saying that Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon had rejected the Kaaba as well?
- Are u saying that these prophets were jews?
Good Point...Therefore, these prophets have preached their Message where the Masjed Elharm exist, as the Prophet Mohamed did and Prophet Abraham...after all, all are moslems.