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    thegod
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    Although he was God, he was found among men as a man.

    Calf-worshippers turned christ-worshippers? -)

    ma'a salaam.

    God bless all.

    al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

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      Ahmad_Bilal
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      Peace BelH,

      When I was reading through one of Najhammadi Scroll (http//www.v-a.com/bible/mark_1-4.html#MARK1) I noted this

      Begin Quote

      1. The beginning of the Revelation* of Jesus Christ
      2. As it was written by Isaiah the Prophet, that,

      End Quote

      Is this mean that Isaiah is a Prophet who Wrote Jesus Bible...Is Isaiah "Yahiah" ?
      Is the Scroll of Isiah = the Bible of Jesus?

      what do you think?

      I never noticed this before...

      Based on this writing, I think this is very possible, and the Injeel may possibly be the scrolls of Isaiyah; but this depends on certain conditions. As already mentioned, the names "Isaiyah" and "Yahoshua" have nearly identical Hebrew meanings (i.e. G-d's salvation; G-d's aid)... This is interesting too, considering the fact that the Biblical "new testament" often speaks of Jesus quoting from the writings of Isaiyah throughout his ministry. In fact, other than the Torah, this is the ONLY book he is recorded as quoting from. So, maybe this is the reference in the Qur'aan where he is mentioned as being taught the Torah and the Injeel...

      Now, the question arises Was Jesus sent the scrolls of Isaiyah, or was this a characteristic of something else? Or even more questionable Is the Qur'aanic person "Esa" the same person as the Biblical person "Jesus"?

      Peace,

      Ahmad

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        belH
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        Peace BelH,

        I never noticed this before...

        Based on this writing, I think this is very possible, and the Injeel may possibly be the scrolls of Isaiyah; but this depends on certain conditions. As already mentioned, the names "Isaiyah" and "Yahoshua" have nearly identical Hebrew meanings (i.e. G-d's salvation; G-d's aid)... This is interesting too, considering the fact that the Biblical "new testament" often speaks of Jesus quoting from the writings of Isaiyah throughout his ministry. In fact, other than the Torah, this is the ONLY book he is recorded as quoting from. So, maybe this is the reference in the Qur'aan where he is mentioned as being taught the Torah and the Injeel...

        Now, the question arises Was Jesus sent the scrolls of Isaiyah, or was this a characteristic of something else? Or even more questionable Is the Qur'aanic person "Esa" the same person as the Biblical person "Jesus"?

        Peace,

        Ahmad

        Peace Ahamed
        Acording to Quran, Yahia the Son of Zakaria was a prophet during the Christ time...moreover, he received Revelation from God. Here is a question, why God would send two different revealtion in one time period to the same people? The logic answer would be is that Yahia and Jesus were teaching from the same source and from the same revelation--THE INJEEL AND TORAH.

        For the next question, yes, Isa, the son of Mariam is Jesus Christ, according to Quran.

        Peace

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          herbman
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          Hi,

          but in arabic Isae is much closer to Issa
          and Yeshua will be closer to Yahya.

          Don't you think?

          Will it be possible that we just thought it the other way around, in any case both Issa and Yahya were messengers and prophetes.

          God bless

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            belH
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            Hi,

            but in arabic Isae is much closer to Issa
            and Yeshua will be closer to Yahya.

            Don't you think?

            Will it be possible that we just thought it the other way around, in any case both Issa and Yahya were messengers and prophetes.

            God bless

            Peace
            I agree about the names issue, but I disagree about that both were Messengers and Prophets.
            According to Quran, Isa was a Messenger and Yahya was a Prophet.
            Peace

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              Ahmad_Bilal
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              Peace BelH,

              Acording to Quran, Yahia the Son of Zakaria was a prophet during the Christ time...moreover, he received Revelation from God. Here is a question, why God would send two different revealtion in one time period to the same people? The logic answer would be is that Yahia and Jesus were teaching from the same source and from the same revelation--THE INJEEL AND TORAH.

              For the next question, yes, Isa, the son of Mariam is Jesus Christ, according to Quran.

              Well, that's something I never really considered. Is "Esa" (Jesus) called a "prophet" in the Qur'aan, or is he just called a messenger? Since the prophets received scriptures, or wrote their own revelations with divine inspiration, then Jesus would have to be a prophet if he received the Injeel. However, if he only received the Injeel through another prophet, then this would only make him a messenger, one who simply confirms the scripture and doesn't receive one of his own... I believe the scriptures call Jesus as prophet, meaning he actually received the Injeel himself...

              Peace,

              Ahmad

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                belH
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                Peace BelH,

                Well, that's something I never really considered. Is "Esa" (Jesus) called a "prophet" in the Qur'aan, or is he just called a messenger? Since the prophets received scriptures, or wrote their own revelations with divine inspiration, then Jesus would have to be a prophet if he received the Injeel. However, if he only received the Injeel through another prophet, then this would only make him a messenger, one who simply confirms the scripture and doesn't receive one of his own... I believe the scriptures call Jesus as prophet, meaning he actually received the Injeel himself...

                Peace,

                Ahmad

                Peace
                According to my reading in Quran, Jesus was never called a prophet but Messenger.
                Moreover, Jesus was GIVEN the Injeel, as was Mosses GIVEN the Torah, and not SENT DOWN into him according to Quran.
                For further backup information, please review this

                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598139.0
                Salam

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                  unknownuser
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                  According to my reading in Quran, Jesus was never called a prophet but Messenger.

                  I was listening while reading; scroll to minute 657...

                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU

                  1930

                  He said "That I am God's worshipper, He gave me The Book and He made me a prophet."

                  A very familiar verse.

                  Peace

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                    belH
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                    I was listening while reading; scroll to minute 657...

                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU

                    1930

                    He said "That I am God's worshipper, He gave me The Book and He made me a prophet."

                    A very familiar verse.

                    Peace

                    Peace
                    Thank you for pointing this verse; thus, according to Quran, Jesus was a Prophet and a Messenger.
                    Thank you again.
                    May God Bless

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                      Rami
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                      Peace all,

                      What is most puzzling that God taught Jesus the Book, the Wisdom, the Torah and the Injeel but taught Mohammed the Book and the Wisdom only. The Book that was taught to Mohammed is a confirmation of what was brought by Moses and taught to Jesus. The Wisdom could be the criterion or what the Jews call the Mitzva or the Negative commandments that can be carried out on a personal level. Then it gets more problematic when you put the Quran in, what is the relation of the Book to the Quran? Who includes who? What are the seven pairs? What is the Torah and what is the Injeel and why were they not taught to the people around the ancient house?

                      Peace,

                      Rami

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