Well Here Goes...
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peace and welcome Meteora
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one other site that I like for the way it exposes hadiths is Answering-Islam.org
http//www.answering-islam.org/One thing I dislike about their site though, is their unwillingness to link to 'Quranist' responses like this one.
http//www.quran-islam.org/claims1.html#It
God bless
Sarah
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Sure mate, take your sweet time.
Cool band and cool album )
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Well I went into that topic making an @$$ of myself...
You see? How miracles from the Quran bring you closer to it and away from statements that contradict it...but there is one saying I think is miraculous, and that is the one about dipping the fly in the soup...a recent research showed that drowning flies in ethanol, extracts antibiotic material (the substance which would be used to cure the poisoned part of the fly).
Which still goes with my current belief, which is that some hadiths are possibly right (^that being the closest to me so far) and some that are outright wrong and sexist.
The thing about the statement is this. I can't say I know Muhammad pbuh said it, but I know someone back then must have had this knowledge. Whether or not it's a revelation from Allah to our Prophet, I don't know, but I can put it into my stack of acceptable hadiths. I'm 95% convinced this is a true saying from our prophet.
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Maryland USA ). The thing a lot of muslims have to realize is they (those lot) are not even following the hadiths while they preach it. For example yesterday my brother was explaining the importance of hadiths. I should've asked "where's your beard then?" (because not having one, or even having one trimmed, goes against the supposed saying of the prophet which is "leave the beard alone" but I thought I shouldn't put him down. After all, that's what hadiths do. They put incredibly stupid limits on your lives and they contradict themselves as well. I heard my mom saying there's a hadith saying "Allah doesn't look at how you look, but what's in your hearts" <-- THAT one I can live by and accept any day, any time. Yet notice how this goes against the notion that trimming or shaving a beard is supposedly haram. nope
Want to know one of the most stupid contradictions? In Sahih (yeah right) Bukhari, it narrates that our beloved prophet said "whoever changes his religion, kill him" (yeah, Allah would choose someone like this as his prophet )), emphasizing the current law of apostasy in the so-called "Islamic" world. we know the prophet really said that (sarcasm), because in the Quran it mentions several times that "there is no compulsion in religion". See where I'm going with this?
It's kind of sad people blindly follow hadith that even contradict the Quran. This is what happens when you get so into reading 10,000 hadiths when the Quran has about 6,000 short and clear verses in it.
You go by the Quran, you're fine. The ayats don't contradict themselves. The ayats are clear and understandable. They're even in a miraculous mathematical system, and the number of times bismillah is written, as well as the number of times other words are written, are all multiples of 19! And there's an ayah that mentions the number "Over it is 19", and this is a revelation 1400 friggin years ago.
http//submission.org/SP/APR97.html
Talk about a sign (miracle) from Allah! And he even promised to show this to us "We'll show them our proofs" and he did! Subhanallah.
Good.. My heart becomes cool by reading this... Allah blessing upon you for ever... Just check out is there any rain at ur place...
I wish you get a rain at ur part of the earth as a blessing.Love
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Lol it's raining right now.
Instead of making a separate topic about this, I thought I might as well say it here because it has to do with how I came to God alone.
I was going to make one called "My Problem with Hadith Worshippers".
However the reason I say they worship it is not to insult them. I say this because they believe in it as they ought to believe in the Quran, which, to me, is a sign of shirk (associating partners with God) because no one's words are on God's level. They argue that it's from Muhammad but it was revealed to him from GOD. They are wrong; it's that simple. If it was from Muhammad, we wouldn't be reading Sahih Al-Bukhari on the front covers of these Hadith books. Thus, it is Bukhari himself, saying this person, said that this person, who was a close friend to Muhammad pbuh heard the prophet say"".
Anyone hear played the phone game? Anyone here actually think all the hadiths (530 in Bukhari and a 1000 something in Muslim) are word for word correct and ought to be feared like they came out of God's mouth?
Leaving that aside, here is my problem with these people.
They have the nerve to talk among themselves calling people who don't believe and live by every "Sahih" hadith kafirs. Yet these same people have yet to swallow the fact that Bukhari at least once contradicted the Quran and this contradiction isn't an insignificant one. In fact it is probably the reason events like 9/11 occurred in the first place and the blasphemous hadith that was probably the cause of it is "kill whoever changes his religion".
But it's kind of hard to imagine that every single one of these people, sitting at their computers talking negatively about people behind their backs (which is a sin by the way) have mountain-long beards, like they claim they're supposed to have. I mean, where do these people live? In the USA? UK? How else would they know English so well? The only people I see with untouched (untrimmed) beards are people above 40 years in a masjid, and there's like a 2 or 3% of these people that I see. I bet these people (who are obviously at an age between 16-30) believe having a beard but keeping it trimmed to a 2-inch level is permissible, or having one that is "fist-length". The strange thing is that the hadith that tells men to have beards is "leave it alone", so why could we possibly trim it in any way? They then refer to another hadith where one of the companions grabbed his own beard and trimmed what exceeded the fist.
First, not only do these hadiths contradict (as I've previously mentioned the nature of hadiths) but the second isn't a saying of the prophet. It's just a narrated part of a story. Technically, this companion outright disobeyed the command of the messenger (assuming Bukhari is infallible like God), which, by hadithiestic logic, equals punishment in the hereafter and an everlasting abode in hell.
I'm sure I'm going to find other surprising contradictions with this way of life that unfortunately dominates the muslim world.
I can't imagine men over the age of 35 spending time on a muslim forum TALKING CRAP ABOUT ANOTHER SECT OF ISLAM! What kind of people would these be?
The last thing I'm going to mention is their apparent hostility and bitterness towards people who even worship the same God they do. It's apparent because they constantly mention our supposed miserable fates like they know the future. Shall we quote verses from the Quran showing that they abandoned it, and/or believe in something other than it, and the fact they follow things that go against the Quran (I found this out on this site's home page)? You see, this is the difference between them and us.
As for me, I'm not trying to talk about them negatively, or calling them non-believers. I just can't imagine how they live without being hypocrites.
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In fact it is probably the reason events like 9/11 occurred in the first place...
I get your point, but you might want to look past the official "explanation"
http//whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/unanswered.html
http//whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_reichstag.html?q=911_reichstag.htmlAs for the people bent on following every minutiae of the so called Sunnah, I can't bring myself to believe that the Almighty and Compassionate God would be so petty as to rebuke you on the length of your beard or how you choose to dress or what hand you eat with or whether you piss standing up or sitting down....and on and on. People don't realise that God in his infinite mercy has kept Islam open and flexible on purpose so it is easy to follow and does not place an unnecessary burden on anyone. We are supposed to forge our own paths in line with basic commandments and common sense, yet people don't stop bleating like sheep begging to be told every in and out of how to spend their lives. It really gets my goat (lame joke on my part).
It is obvious that even "sahih" Hadith are fundamentally flawed at best, but would you follow them if they were actual video and audio recordings?
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I'm going to make this my topic for everything I want to say from now on, instead of making individual threads.
So anyway, thought someone may want to read this. I'm halfway done http//www.submission.org/Rashad-Khalifa.htm
The whole "God not putting bismillah in surah 9 on purpose and including it twice in a later surah" is again, an unbelievable miracle. It's like he knew it was going to be tampered with when the two last verses were added by man!
By the way, is it me, or is reading sharia and fiqh laws & arguments give headaches?
Finally, as for me personally, I don't regard Rashad as a prophet like any we've had (then again no one said he was), but from my understanding Allah in this book said that he'll send reminders to people. I think he was one of those reminders, who, like the others that lived centures ago, were killed by the unjust people.
Seriously, how are you going to kill Rashad for worshipping Allah? "But he disobeyed the prophet and thus disobeyed Allah!" So if the prophet says to kill non-muslims, while Allah says to treat them kindly, how to you obey both? Answer You can't rely on text that the prophet (or God for that matter) hasn't approved of. It's like putting Shaq in NBA LIVE 09 without getting his consent.
Thought I should mention another VERY important subject I bet has already been described here, but before I began, I want to say that I hope every person who strived for the life to come gets his/her reward, even if they follow something that isn't 100% true, but at least their worship was for God.
Most muslims especially the scholars are mispracticing their religion by misinterpreting the meaning of "Obey Allah and his Messenger", especially since, in the English form, is misleading, because in original Arabic, it means something a little different.
It is saying to us that we should follow the messenger for the message that he has, i.e. the Quran.
"Obey the messenger is conditional on having the message, the Quran. Obey the messenger because of the message he has, the QURAN. Obey the messenger means to follow his message that is given to him, the QURAN."
http//submission.org/obey-Prophet-Muhammed.htm
Also, it states that adding "Muhammadan-rasullulah" in the shahada is almost (actually, equal to) idol worship http//submission.org/muhammed/shahada.html because the shahada is to proclaim that there is no god but god. Saying muhammadan-rasullulah, a fact no greater than Moses and Jesus being ones, in the shahada is pointless, and the shahada is for god only. It also mentions in the Quran to make no distinction between messengers, so, preferring to say Muhammad's name in the shahada in this case, and not Moses, or Jesus, or Abraham, is taking away a trait that makes you a believer. Yet if you go to any Islamic country today and say "La illah illalah, Musa-rasullulah" they would massacre you in an instant, or just have gaping mouths in front of you.
They're missing the point and it's that worship is for god alone and there's no need to be mentioning messengers in the shahada, nor are we supposed to prefer Muhammed over anyone else.
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Finally, as for me personally, I don't regard Rashad as a prophet like any we've had...
I'm quite sure that from what I read years back he didn't claim to be a prophet. He claimed to be a messenger and made clear distinction between the two.
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Yeah sorry for making it seem like I said he claimed he was. He didn't; he knew exactly the difference between the two terms. I'm just upset that people with "too many years of corrupted Islam" (a quote from someone in my sig) couldn't get the message through to themselves.
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I love the author of Islam QA.
The question I posted there (which was weeks ago) wasn't even answered. He simply referred me to another answer he gave to a question having little relevance to mine.
I asked him why some sunni muslims live by the hadith "leave the beard alone" while there's another hadith where one of the companions simply, didn't, and trimmed it, pointing out the fact the companion disobeyed the supposed command of the prophet. The author ignored this and simply referred me to another answer, where he stated the first hadith makes the second invalid, yet at the same time didn't state (or admit to the fact) that the companion disobeyed the supposed command of the prophet. I like how he words things according to his whims and desires.
Anyway, read the following reply he gave to a person's question "what is the ruling on playing Pokemon?"
http//www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/22069
Based on this, it's not hard to guess what kind of answers he would give to things of this sort. I was thinking of posting a similar question to die further from laughter, but considering the amount of time he takes to post fatwas (answers) I thought again. The question was "is this video haram http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QN6-7pWxbU ?"
Instead of wasting his time with this question (not that he doesn't waste more than enough of it), I'm going to answer it for him, in his way of course.
"Dear brother or sister of ignorance,
Thank you for wanting to get a better understanding about the one true religion that is Islam. May Allah (SWT) guide you on the right path and protect you against the evil ways of the world around you.
First of all, there are several clear evils in this material. Not only does it contain music which has been proven countless times to be very haram, it has creatures thought up by man which is a form of shirk in Islam. These things are obviously 2 shayateen rejoicing in disobedience to Allah (SWT). May Allah curse them and the one who listens to and enjoys this kind of evil and broil them in hellfire for eternity.
And Allah knows best.
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Peace Meteora,
The whole "God not putting bismillah in surah 9 on purpose and including it twice in a later surah" is again, an unbelievable miracle. It's like he knew it was going to be tampered with when the two last verses were added by man!
Do you know that the chapter titles and decorations were added by man? If so then how do you know where chapter 9 ends and starts? Don't replace Hadith with other manmade junk.
Peace,
Ayman
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None of the Chapter titles were added by man (and the proof will be given unless they had calculators, which we know they had not). Decorations have nothing to do with this either.
The Basmalla occurs in the Quran 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence
from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) and 114 = 19 X 6From the missing Basmalla of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalla of Sura 27, there are precisely 19 Suras.
It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 9+10+11+12..... . +26+27) is 342, or 19X 18
This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmallas of
sura 27. and 342 = 19X18http//submission.org/miracle/simpl.html
Compare this miracle with hadiths that teach that a woman's only goal in life should be to please her husband when he has an urge.
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Peace Meteora,
None of the Chapter titles were added by man (and the proof will be given unless they had calculators, which we know they had not). Decorations have nothing to do with this either.
So you think that the god revealed the names of the chapters!? If so, then how come the early manuscripts of the great reading don't have chapter titles and the only separators are the Bismallahs? What do you think the divine title of Chapter 9 is?
Decorations have everything to do with your position that chapter 9 doesn't have a Bismallah. It is not surprising that you don't know the ultimate basis for your position because all those attracted to Code 19 are unfortunately ignorant of many basic facts.
Peace,
Ayman
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I take that back. What I meant was the suras have been set. It's not like Muhammad just received verse after verse without them being in a certain order. That is why some verses follow each other perfectly, and thus chapters weren't created by man, but the titles may have been. The mathematical proofs are enough to testify that
There are 114 suras in the Quran.
The word "God" from the missing Basmalah (Sura 9) to the extra Basmalah (Sura 27) occurs in 513 verses, 19x27, within 19 suras (Table 2). If the false Verses 9128-129 were included, the number of verses containing the word "God" would have become 514, and this phenomenon would have disappeared.
The missing bismillah in sura 9 was by the will of God. I hope not one person here thinks it's a coincidence it happens to appear twice in a later sura only to make the sum of the "bismillahs" in the Quran, a multiple of 19.
So despite the amount of proofs given to show that the Quran is the unaltered word of God (leaving out the damned 128 & 129 of sura 9) someone's going to argue the length of suras? Doing so would only be rejecting an obvious miracle. And what other miracle will you believe in? What better miracle does the Quran give besides scientific facts?
Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
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Peace Meteora,
I take that back.
Thank you for acknowledging the truth. This is what we are all after. I hope that if in the future realize that Code 19 is also not what you thought it was, you would also take back your current position.
What I meant was the suras have been set. It's not like Muhammad just received verse after verse without them being in a certain order. That is why some verses follow each other perfectly, and thus chapters weren't created by man, but the titles may have been. The mathematical proofs are enough to testify that
So without the manmade titles and decorations, how do you know where the chapters begin and end? Please answer.
Peace,
Ayman
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I can think of two ways that make it obvious.
It's crazy to think someone created this mathematical system within the book (they could never have done it in such a primitive era and without a calculator/computer)
And 1- The first verse 11 known as "Basmalla" consists of 19 letters.
2-This verse was revealed to Muhammed after 7430, which states "Over it is 19". not a coincidence.
Allah in the next verse reveals the importance of this number "We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people."
Why would God talk about this number as a sign/miracle when it has no purpose? If its purpose isn't to do what it clearly does, then we may as well not believe in the Quran, as this is the most obvious miracle thanks to the coming of the computer age.
See the bottom http//www.submission.org/miracle/order.html
Another coincidence?
And the other way I can tell is simple. I'll use one as an example. Surat "Al-nas" is a sura by itself, obviously because every verse within it ends with "Al-nas" and the placements of the verse MUST be where they are, because each verse is simply a phrase of an entire sentence. Jumble that up, and we have a children's book. Surat "Al-nas" clearly begins with "Qul" and ends with the last "Al-nas".
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Peace Bro Ayman
Peace Meteora,
So you think that the god revealed the names of the chapters!? If so, then how come the early manuscripts of the great reading don't have chapter titles and the only separators are the Bismallahs? What do you think the divine title of Chapter 9 is?
Decorations have everything to do with your position that chapter 9 doesn't have a Bismallah. It is not surprising that you don't know the ultimate basis for your position because all those attracted to Code 19 are unfortunately ignorant of many basic facts.
Peace,
Ayman
Could you please tell us who added "The Chapters Names" in the AQ and when ? Thank you .
Peace
almarh0m
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From what I have heard, the Quran was compiled i its current form by the third caliph Usman. Im not sure how true that is though.
Ayman You obviously believe in the Quran being of divine origins, but do you mean to tell me that all the things pointed out by RK are just gigantic coincidences? Please present some proof or at least a link to an article. Thanks!