Well Here Goes...
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Finally, as for me personally, I don't regard Rashad as a prophet like any we've had...
I'm quite sure that from what I read years back he didn't claim to be a prophet. He claimed to be a messenger and made clear distinction between the two.
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Yeah sorry for making it seem like I said he claimed he was. He didn't; he knew exactly the difference between the two terms. I'm just upset that people with "too many years of corrupted Islam" (a quote from someone in my sig) couldn't get the message through to themselves.
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I love the author of Islam QA.
The question I posted there (which was weeks ago) wasn't even answered. He simply referred me to another answer he gave to a question having little relevance to mine.
I asked him why some sunni muslims live by the hadith "leave the beard alone" while there's another hadith where one of the companions simply, didn't, and trimmed it, pointing out the fact the companion disobeyed the supposed command of the prophet. The author ignored this and simply referred me to another answer, where he stated the first hadith makes the second invalid, yet at the same time didn't state (or admit to the fact) that the companion disobeyed the supposed command of the prophet. I like how he words things according to his whims and desires.
Anyway, read the following reply he gave to a person's question "what is the ruling on playing Pokemon?"
http//www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/22069
Based on this, it's not hard to guess what kind of answers he would give to things of this sort. I was thinking of posting a similar question to die further from laughter, but considering the amount of time he takes to post fatwas (answers) I thought again. The question was "is this video haram http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QN6-7pWxbU ?"
Instead of wasting his time with this question (not that he doesn't waste more than enough of it), I'm going to answer it for him, in his way of course.
"Dear brother or sister of ignorance,
Thank you for wanting to get a better understanding about the one true religion that is Islam. May Allah (SWT) guide you on the right path and protect you against the evil ways of the world around you.
First of all, there are several clear evils in this material. Not only does it contain music which has been proven countless times to be very haram, it has creatures thought up by man which is a form of shirk in Islam. These things are obviously 2 shayateen rejoicing in disobedience to Allah (SWT). May Allah curse them and the one who listens to and enjoys this kind of evil and broil them in hellfire for eternity.
And Allah knows best.
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Peace Meteora,
The whole "God not putting bismillah in surah 9 on purpose and including it twice in a later surah" is again, an unbelievable miracle. It's like he knew it was going to be tampered with when the two last verses were added by man!
Do you know that the chapter titles and decorations were added by man? If so then how do you know where chapter 9 ends and starts? Don't replace Hadith with other manmade junk.
Peace,
Ayman
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None of the Chapter titles were added by man (and the proof will be given unless they had calculators, which we know they had not). Decorations have nothing to do with this either.
The Basmalla occurs in the Quran 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence
from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) and 114 = 19 X 6From the missing Basmalla of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalla of Sura 27, there are precisely 19 Suras.
It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 9+10+11+12..... . +26+27) is 342, or 19X 18
This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmallas of
sura 27. and 342 = 19X18http//submission.org/miracle/simpl.html
Compare this miracle with hadiths that teach that a woman's only goal in life should be to please her husband when he has an urge.
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Peace Meteora,
None of the Chapter titles were added by man (and the proof will be given unless they had calculators, which we know they had not). Decorations have nothing to do with this either.
So you think that the god revealed the names of the chapters!? If so, then how come the early manuscripts of the great reading don't have chapter titles and the only separators are the Bismallahs? What do you think the divine title of Chapter 9 is?
Decorations have everything to do with your position that chapter 9 doesn't have a Bismallah. It is not surprising that you don't know the ultimate basis for your position because all those attracted to Code 19 are unfortunately ignorant of many basic facts.
Peace,
Ayman
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I take that back. What I meant was the suras have been set. It's not like Muhammad just received verse after verse without them being in a certain order. That is why some verses follow each other perfectly, and thus chapters weren't created by man, but the titles may have been. The mathematical proofs are enough to testify that
There are 114 suras in the Quran.
The word "God" from the missing Basmalah (Sura 9) to the extra Basmalah (Sura 27) occurs in 513 verses, 19x27, within 19 suras (Table 2). If the false Verses 9128-129 were included, the number of verses containing the word "God" would have become 514, and this phenomenon would have disappeared.
The missing bismillah in sura 9 was by the will of God. I hope not one person here thinks it's a coincidence it happens to appear twice in a later sura only to make the sum of the "bismillahs" in the Quran, a multiple of 19.
So despite the amount of proofs given to show that the Quran is the unaltered word of God (leaving out the damned 128 & 129 of sura 9) someone's going to argue the length of suras? Doing so would only be rejecting an obvious miracle. And what other miracle will you believe in? What better miracle does the Quran give besides scientific facts?
Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
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Peace Meteora,
I take that back.
Thank you for acknowledging the truth. This is what we are all after. I hope that if in the future realize that Code 19 is also not what you thought it was, you would also take back your current position.
What I meant was the suras have been set. It's not like Muhammad just received verse after verse without them being in a certain order. That is why some verses follow each other perfectly, and thus chapters weren't created by man, but the titles may have been. The mathematical proofs are enough to testify that
So without the manmade titles and decorations, how do you know where the chapters begin and end? Please answer.
Peace,
Ayman
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I can think of two ways that make it obvious.
It's crazy to think someone created this mathematical system within the book (they could never have done it in such a primitive era and without a calculator/computer)
And 1- The first verse 11 known as "Basmalla" consists of 19 letters.
2-This verse was revealed to Muhammed after 7430, which states "Over it is 19". not a coincidence.
Allah in the next verse reveals the importance of this number "We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people."
Why would God talk about this number as a sign/miracle when it has no purpose? If its purpose isn't to do what it clearly does, then we may as well not believe in the Quran, as this is the most obvious miracle thanks to the coming of the computer age.
See the bottom http//www.submission.org/miracle/order.html
Another coincidence?
And the other way I can tell is simple. I'll use one as an example. Surat "Al-nas" is a sura by itself, obviously because every verse within it ends with "Al-nas" and the placements of the verse MUST be where they are, because each verse is simply a phrase of an entire sentence. Jumble that up, and we have a children's book. Surat "Al-nas" clearly begins with "Qul" and ends with the last "Al-nas".
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Peace Bro Ayman
Peace Meteora,
So you think that the god revealed the names of the chapters!? If so, then how come the early manuscripts of the great reading don't have chapter titles and the only separators are the Bismallahs? What do you think the divine title of Chapter 9 is?
Decorations have everything to do with your position that chapter 9 doesn't have a Bismallah. It is not surprising that you don't know the ultimate basis for your position because all those attracted to Code 19 are unfortunately ignorant of many basic facts.
Peace,
Ayman
Could you please tell us who added "The Chapters Names" in the AQ and when ? Thank you .
Peace
almarh0m
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From what I have heard, the Quran was compiled i its current form by the third caliph Usman. Im not sure how true that is though.
Ayman You obviously believe in the Quran being of divine origins, but do you mean to tell me that all the things pointed out by RK are just gigantic coincidences? Please present some proof or at least a link to an article. Thanks!
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Peace $aze
The information we want regarding this 'adding of chapters' names/titles' to the AQ is not from hadiths , why would Brother ayman bother giving us this information if it was from the hadiths ? We already knew ages ago about the hadiths things and The Compilation by Uthman of The Qur'an . The "Muslims" claim the present copies of AQ that we use today is of the Uthman era . Hopefully Bro ayman can give us this important information .
Peace
almarh0m
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The issue isn't so much about whether or not the chapter titles are by man or God. Ayman was questioning how we know when a Sura (particularly Sura 9) starts and ends. Isn't it common knowledge that a sura was delivered one by one to Muhammad? Does someone really think that man took ayats out of a sura and placed it in another sura or jumbled them up? I don't think this is true, but anyway, I took a couple of minutes to see if submission.org had anything to say about it; it does http//submission.org/quran/app1.html
Starting from "Editorial addition to appx 1", and down, it pretty much confirms no one has messed with the Quran, in terms of where ayats go and when sura's start/end, at least for the ORIGINAL Quran, not the ones we may have in our homes (even the arabic ones) that have been slightly altered but not in the sense someone did so on purpose (except 128&129 of sura 9, of course). The alterations (except 128&129 of sura 9) do not change the meanings of the ayats but the people of that site have found a way to decipher the true Quran (the one given to Muhammad). Here's the info http//www.submission.org/quran/protect.html
That aside, some interesting facts about myself...
God saved my life when I was 19...
...I was born on the 19th of February, 1989...(8 would be 9 minus the first number of that year)
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Peace
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The information we want regarding this 'adding of chapters' names/titles' to the AQ is not from hadiths , why would Brother ayman bother giving us this information if it was from the hadiths ? We already knew ages ago about the hadiths things and The Compilation by Uthman of The Qur'an . The "Muslims" claim the present copies of AQ that we use today is of the Uthman era . Hopefully Bro ayman can give us this important information .
Brother, I think you misunderstand me. I do not care much about the origins or the chapter titles, I was asking Ayman to provide proof of what the 19 code might be about since he claims it is not what people think it is.
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Peace $aze
Peace Bro Ayman
Could you please tell us who added "The Chapters Names" in the AQ and when ? Thank you .
Peace
almarh0m
The information I requested from Brother Ayman was regarding "The Chapters Names" and when it was added . I assume that Sarah was asking for the same info as well . As for me having misunderstood you ? Sorry , I don't see how Ayman would cite Hadiths to reference the adding of chapters' names and titles . For your information , I do not care one bit about Code19 , and this thread is for everyone who posted here .
Peace
almarh0m
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Peace Sarah,
Do you have an answer for that Ayman?
Without the manmade chapter titles and decorations and relying on the god, then the only way to know where chapters start and end is by the interjecting Bismallahs. Of course, by relying on the god, it all becomes very simple and we end up with a long Chapter 8 and the great reading turns out to have 113 chapters. Unfortunately, those who have more faith in Code 19 than in the god will not like this, since relying on the god alone destroys their beloved Code 19.
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Meteora,
It's crazy to think someone created this mathematical system within the book (they could never have done it in such a primitive era and without a calculator/computer)
What mathematical "system"? A system implies some organized repeatable formula and not just whatever works by hook or by crook to give a 19 divisible while hiding all the thousands upon thousands of failed trials where no one got a 19 divisible. If you disagree then tell us what is the formula of Code 19?
And 1- The first verse 11 known as "Basmalla" consists of 19 letters.
So do many other passages such as 1052. How come you don't say that 1052 is a "mathematical miracle"?
2-This verse was revealed to Muhammed after 7430, which states "Over it is 19". not a coincidence.
And how do you know that it was revealed after it?
Allah in the next verse reveals the importance of this number "We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people."
These are not the god's words. These are RK's lies.
Why would God talk about this number as a sign/miracle when it has no purpose? If its purpose isn't to do what it clearly does, then we may as well not believe in the Quran, as this is the most obvious miracle thanks to the coming of the computer age.
Where does the god say that 19 is a sign/?ayat?? Even RK?s above distorted translation doesn?t claim that.
Your words are exactly like those of Hadith lovers who also say that without Hadiths ?we may as well not believe in the Quran?.
See the bottom http//www.submission.org/miracle/order.html
Another coincidence?Where did the guy in the link get this supposed order of revelation from?
And the other way I can tell is simple. I'll use one as an example. Surat "Al-nas" is a sura by itself, obviously because every verse within it ends with "Al-nas" and the placements of the verse MUST be where they are, because each verse is simply a phrase of an entire sentence. Jumble that up, and we have a children's book. Surat "Al-nas" clearly begins with "Qul" and ends with the last "Al-nas".
I guess if one is too blind to see the obvious Bismallah on top of the chapter then this would be a desperate last resort that wouldn?t work except for the few chapters that start with ?qul?.
Peace,
Ayman