Why do we lack character?
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Peace,
It is not characterlessness but hypocrisy.
Dear Truthseeker
I agree with you but I was reluctant to use this term because many friends on this forum are involved in this act .Those may get offended.
-They preach Quran alone
-They practice Sunni Rituals.
Regards -
Dear Truthseeker
I agree with you but I was reluctant to use this term because many friends on this forum are involved in this act .Those may get offended.
-They preach Quran alone
-They practice Sunni Rituals.
RegardsSalaam Q_student,
Can you please define Sunni rituals. You have used this term quite a few times on the forum. What do you mean by this?
I also have another question, but to be honest, seeing as you have failed to reply to a single question of mine, I don't have much faith in getting answers to both questions.
Here goes
The quran says
Surah Number 2, Ayah Number 172
Believers, eat of the good with which We have provided you and give thanks to Allah, if you really worship Him.I follow these rules for my eating
http//www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/behaviourfood.html
Does this mean I preach quran alone, but practice is 'woodlands junior kent school' rituals?
Any response would be appreciated.
Regards
Ramzi
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Salaam Q_student,
Can you please define Sunni rituals. You have used this term quite a few times on the forum. What do you mean by this?
I also have another question, but to be honest, seeing as you have failed to reply to a single question of mine, I don't have much faith in getting answers to both questions.
Here goes
The quran says
Surah Number 2, Ayah Number 172
Believers, eat of the good with which We have provided you and give thanks to Allah, if you really worship Him.I follow these rules for my eating
http//www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/behaviourfood.html
Does this mean I preach quran alone, but practice is 'woodlands junior kent school' rituals?
Any response would be appreciated.
Regards
Ramzi
salaam Brother
Sunni rituals means any thing which Sunni do as "ibaadah" which is not mentioned in the Quran but proved through "Hadeeths". E.g
Are Sunni's not mushriks ? We should not go to their mosques and pray those imams. Should we celebrate Eids which are Hadeeth based ?
Is salaat of Sunnis Quran proven ?
Sunnis are different community and we are different.
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And your answer to the second question?
I repeat it here, incase you missed it.
The quran says
Surah Number 2, Ayah Number 172
Believers, eat of the good with which We have provided you and give thanks to Allah, if you really worship Him.I follow these rules for my eating
http//www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/behaviourfood.html
Does this mean I preach quran alone, but practice is 'woodlands junior kent school' rituals?
Any response would be appreciated.
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The quran says
Surah Number 2, Ayah Number 172
Believers, eat of the good with which We have provided you and give thanks to Allah, if you really worship Him.I follow these rules for my eating
http//www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/behaviourfood.html
Does this mean I preach quran alone, but practice is 'woodlands junior kent school' rituals?
Any response would be appreciated.
Brother,
In Quran there are only glad tidings and warnings of its consequences if you reject the message. Rule or Ritual both are same for the reason that those who follow or lead life in this way, means they do not understand and naturally conducted in righteousness but by influence and force which is antagonistic to the very essence of Islam. The way we see the ayats in Quran as rules and regulations is not the way to see it.
Surah Number 2, Ayah Number 172
Believers, eat of the good with which We have provided you and give thanks to Allah, if you really worship Him.There are a few questions we shall get clarified before we could naturally be conducted as our hearts become actualized to the glad tidings of the verse. Unless we ponder over the ayats this is not possible.
- What does 'believers' mean?
- Eat of the good we have provided means from the good God had provided something we can eat and most things we could give away; Or most things of the good we can use and some of it we can provide for others' benefit and use.
- How do we know out of that we possess what was provided by God and which was earned by us?
- What to do if nothing is given to by God, for what I earn in business has its inherent lies, cheating, and hypocrisy involved in it?
- When I know that whatever I had earned is by bad means and with shirk, what am I to do for eating?
- How to thank Allah?
- What is thanks?
- What is worshiping?
- What is really worshiping?
- And where is Allah? And How we see or recognize Him?
Just answer these if you want to be sure that you actually follow Allah and not following the unsightly rituals and rites and rules and regulations that is not at all Islam.
Peace,
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Salaam,
Thanks for reply,
Exactly, now let's extend that concept to salat. Focus on achieving the main purpose. Rememberance of God. If this is achieved through any method of salat then that is fine. There is no right and wrong if the main purpose is achieved. And there is no hypocrisy as stated earlier in the thread.
That was the reason for the first question.
Regards
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Peace Ramzi,
The sunni ritual of salaat also includes pagan elements and setting up partners with The God, for example facing a cuboid pagan temple dedicated to the female goddess Allat, bowing and prostrating to it, remembering humans in addition to The God during it, etc. Hence calling oneself God alone and then practicing the sunni ritual of salaat is indeed hypocrisy. If you don't include those elements in your salaat then it is not a sunni ritual anymore, and I agree there is then no hypocrisy as long as the main purpose of salaat is fulfilled (remembering The God, reading and understanding the qur'aan so that we can follow it in life, avoiding lewdness and evil, showing humility and submission to The God etc.), even though there might be some physical variations.
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Surah Number 2, Ayah Number 172
Believers, eat of the good with which We have provided you and give thanks to Allah, if you really worship Him.I follow these rules for my eating
http//www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/behaviourfood.html
Does this mean I preach quran alone, but practice is 'woodlands junior kent school' rituals?
Salaam Ramzi
If the link you provide contains an element that could be meant to be "thanking God", then you are following the quraanic rule.
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Salaam Samia,
Yes, you are right.
Also, it should not contain any rules contradictory to qura'an. For example, always eat a pork pie before eating your main course P
Let's say it does contain that silly rule. One can still follow them but ignore that rule, because it is contradictory to quranic teachings.
The same concept with salat, one can follow the traditional method, but not mention any names other than God, and not speak too quietly nor too loudly and so on. As these rules in the traditional salat contradict quran clearly.
Regards
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The same concept with salat, one can follow the traditional method, but not mention any names other than God, and not speak too quietly nor too loudly and so on. As these rules in the traditional salat contradict quran clearly.
Regards
Not exactly the same. The salaat per quraan has a purpose. If whatever you are doing does not fulfill the purpose, then it's unquraanc. However, if you keep away from evil, the unaccepted/unlawful and injustice or ( ), even without ritualistic salaat, then your ritualistic salat is not what keeps you from this evil, but what keeps you from this evil is another thing, the real salaat. So at best ritualistic salaat is redundant.
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However, if you keep away from evil, the unaccepted/unlawful and injustice or ( ), even without ritualistic salaat, then your ritualistic salat is not what keeps you from this evil, but what keeps you from this evil is another thing, the real salaat.
Agreed.
Can anyone argue that if the 'ritualistic' salat does keep one away from fa7shaa and munkar (the unlawful and injustice) then it is wrong?
I suppose its what works for every individual. But I am against imposing a method on another believer as the only correct way. Whatever method achieves the main purpose is correct. Like I said earlier, if 5 raka'ah and 5 sujood do the trick then fair play, if standing and reciting quran and remembering God works then fair play.
However, I can't get my head round something....
9 Surah Number 62, Ayah Number 9
Believers, when you are called to prayer on the Day of the Congregation (Friday), hasten to the Remembrance of Allah and put your trading to one-side. That is the best for you, if you but knew.10 Surah Number 62, Ayah Number 10
Then, when the prayer has ended, disperse in the land and seek the favor of Allah, and, remember Allah often, so that you prosper.11 Surah Number 62, Ayah Number 11
Yet when they see some commerce or amusement they flock to it, leaving you standing. Say 'That which is with Allah is better than the amusement and commerce. Allah is the Best of Providers.'In the last verse, the person left standing...... Is this a continuation of verses 9 and 10, or is it a general statement. If it is a continuation, which I think it is, it seems the salat is a group activity. How would this group activity take place? Can there be a group activity without a common/shared understanding?
Regards
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Agreed.
Can anyone argue that if the 'ritualistic' salat does keep one away from fa7shaa and munkar (the unlawful and injustice) then it is wrong?
I suppose its what works for every individual. But I am against imposing a method on another believer as the only correct way.
My understanding is that there's no "method".
Do you really believe that if, for any reason, someone stops praying rituallistically, they will automatically start doing evil? If so, why does hdith orders women not to perform salaat during their menses and after giving birth? Do women become more prone to evil doing during these periods (as almost all of those women who perform ritualistic salaat stop performing it 25% of their life, not counting delivery periods)? -
My understanding is that there's no "method".
Do you really believe that if, for any reason, someone stops praying rituallistically, they will automatically start doing evil? If so, why does hdith orders women not to perform salaat during their menses and after giving birth? Do women become more prone to evil doing during these periods (as almost all of those women who perform ritualistic salaat stop performing it 25% of their life, not counting delivery periods)?No. The rememberance of God is greater.
Not rituallistically, no. If someone stops performing salat generally, then they are more prone to divert from the Straigh Path.
I do not understand why you reference those hadeeths? No point discussing hadeeths. We both know they are man made.