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Why do we lack character?

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    truthseeker11
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    Peace Ramzi,

    The sunni ritual of salaat also includes pagan elements and setting up partners with The God, for example facing a cuboid pagan temple dedicated to the female goddess Allat, bowing and prostrating to it, remembering humans in addition to The God during it, etc. Hence calling oneself God alone and then practicing the sunni ritual of salaat is indeed hypocrisy. If you don't include those elements in your salaat then it is not a sunni ritual anymore, and I agree there is then no hypocrisy as long as the main purpose of salaat is fulfilled (remembering The God, reading and understanding the qur'aan so that we can follow it in life, avoiding lewdness and evil, showing humility and submission to The God etc.), even though there might be some physical variations.

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      Q_student
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      Salaam brothers
      Going to Sunni Mosques and offering prayers after Sunni Imams. Is this not prarticipating in Kalimaatul Shirk ?

      Regards

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        TAJ
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        Dear
        The height of characterlessness is
        -We preach something
        -We practice another thing.
        For example we see that
        -We preach Quran alone
        -We practice Sunni rituals
        What name you will give to this character ???
        Regards

        Q_student.

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          Q_student
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          Q_student.

          laugh laugh laugh

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            Samia
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            Surah Number 2, Ayah Number 172
            Believers, eat of the good with which We have provided you and give thanks to Allah, if you really worship Him.

            I follow these rules for my eating

            http//www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/behaviourfood.html

            Does this mean I preach quran alone, but practice is 'woodlands junior kent school' rituals?

            Salaam Ramzi

            If the link you provide contains an element that could be meant to be "thanking God", then you are following the quraanic rule.

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              ramzi
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              Salaam Samia,

              Yes, you are right.

              Also, it should not contain any rules contradictory to qura'an. For example, always eat a pork pie before eating your main course P

              Let's say it does contain that silly rule. One can still follow them but ignore that rule, because it is contradictory to quranic teachings.

              The same concept with salat, one can follow the traditional method, but not mention any names other than God, and not speak too quietly nor too loudly and so on. As these rules in the traditional salat contradict quran clearly.

              Regards

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                Samia
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                The same concept with salat, one can follow the traditional method, but not mention any names other than God, and not speak too quietly nor too loudly and so on. As these rules in the traditional salat contradict quran clearly.

                Regards

                Not exactly the same. The salaat per quraan has a purpose. If whatever you are doing does not fulfill the purpose, then it's unquraanc. However, if you keep away from evil, the unaccepted/unlawful and injustice or ( ), even without ritualistic salaat, then your ritualistic salat is not what keeps you from this evil, but what keeps you from this evil is another thing, the real salaat. So at best ritualistic salaat is redundant.

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                  ramzi
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                  However, if you keep away from evil, the unaccepted/unlawful and injustice or ( ), even without ritualistic salaat, then your ritualistic salat is not what keeps you from this evil, but what keeps you from this evil is another thing, the real salaat.

                  Agreed.

                  Can anyone argue that if the 'ritualistic' salat does keep one away from fa7shaa and munkar (the unlawful and injustice) then it is wrong?

                  I suppose its what works for every individual. But I am against imposing a method on another believer as the only correct way. Whatever method achieves the main purpose is correct. Like I said earlier, if 5 raka'ah and 5 sujood do the trick then fair play, if standing and reciting quran and remembering God works then fair play.

                  However, I can't get my head round something....

                  9 Surah Number 62, Ayah Number 9
                  Believers, when you are called to prayer on the Day of the Congregation (Friday), hasten to the Remembrance of Allah and put your trading to one-side. That is the best for you, if you but knew.

                  10 Surah Number 62, Ayah Number 10
                  Then, when the prayer has ended, disperse in the land and seek the favor of Allah, and, remember Allah often, so that you prosper.

                  11 Surah Number 62, Ayah Number 11
                  Yet when they see some commerce or amusement they flock to it, leaving you standing. Say 'That which is with Allah is better than the amusement and commerce. Allah is the Best of Providers.'

                  In the last verse, the person left standing...... Is this a continuation of verses 9 and 10, or is it a general statement. If it is a continuation, which I think it is, it seems the salat is a group activity. How would this group activity take place? Can there be a group activity without a common/shared understanding?

                  Regards

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                    Samia
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                    Agreed.

                    Can anyone argue that if the 'ritualistic' salat does keep one away from fa7shaa and munkar (the unlawful and injustice) then it is wrong?

                    I suppose its what works for every individual. But I am against imposing a method on another believer as the only correct way.

                    My understanding is that there's no "method".
                    Do you really believe that if, for any reason, someone stops praying rituallistically, they will automatically start doing evil? If so, why does hdith orders women not to perform salaat during their menses and after giving birth? Do women become more prone to evil doing during these periods (as almost all of those women who perform ritualistic salaat stop performing it 25% of their life, not counting delivery periods)?

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                      ramzi
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                      My understanding is that there's no "method".
                      Do you really believe that if, for any reason, someone stops praying rituallistically, they will automatically start doing evil? If so, why does hdith orders women not to perform salaat during their menses and after giving birth? Do women become more prone to evil doing during these periods (as almost all of those women who perform ritualistic salaat stop performing it 25% of their life, not counting delivery periods)?

                      No. The rememberance of God is greater.

                      Not rituallistically, no. If someone stops performing salat generally, then they are more prone to divert from the Straigh Path.

                      I do not understand why you reference those hadeeths? No point discussing hadeeths. We both know they are man made.

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