A Continued Call: لِّلْمُتَّقِيْنَ
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Brother if you follow this thread from the top, it will be clear as to what these words mean, and not necessarily what is usually translated.
May Rab give us his continued guidance.To be honest I didn't read the whole thread lol
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That's fine. When I am speaking and I say , my interlocutor understands that I mean "death". When the sound coming from me has a shorter "wau", they will understand I am asking them to die . Letters and vowels are conveying what we pronounce/say as accurately as posiible. If I say and my system of language makes it , something is wrong with this system.
Dear Sister, is my understading correct that you are implying that word , does exsist in Arabic, meaning "to die", a verb?
Badar
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Brother Mazhar, thanks. We already discussed this. Sister Samia rightly pointed out this. I did my own research, first teshdeed, is euphonic, for nunation only. It does not change the meanings. First part of this so called word remains Li, followed by another vertical line with mark of Jezm. This verticle line with Jezm is a Lam of particle Al (not Alif of La as I thought initially), when combined with Li, initial Alif of Al, is dropped in writing. So from start until first Jezm is "Li, Al". Thanks again for participating.
Badar
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My point was that whether the nunation style, one dhumma straight other reversed, placed on the last word "aleemun" is correct or it should be written with two straight dhuma because it is followed by "al". No where else in the whole of Qur'aan I could find it like this.
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Brother Mazhar, thanks. We already discussed this. Sister Samia rightly pointed out this. I did my own research, first teshdeed, is euphonic, for nunation only. It does not change the meanings. First part of this so called word remains Li, followed by another vertical line with mark of Jezm. This verticle line with Jezm is a Lam of particle Al (not Alif of La as I thought initially), when combined with Li, initial Alif of Al, is dropped in writing. So from start until first Jezm is "Li, Al". Thanks again for participating.
Badar
So what I get from above is Hudanl Li Al Mout Taqeen
All these are separate words carrying individual meanings? And what you are saying is, that this guidance or this Book, where nothing has been left out, enables you to guard yourself against Mout and arms you not to die an intelectual, or other similar death which will make you both individually and collectively like dead. Am I correct in understanding as to this is what you are trying to translate it in essence?
I hope I asked my quesion simply enough above.
May Rab grant us all wisdom and intellect to get his message the way it is meant to be.
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Dear Sister, is my understading correct that you are implying that word , does exsist in Arabic, meaning "to die", a verb?
Badar
Yes. You have it conjugated to the plural in 3158
for, indeed, if you die or are slain, it will surely be unto God that you shall be gathered.
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Yes. You have it conjugated to the plural in 3158
for, indeed, if you die or are slain, it will surely be unto God that you shall be gathered.
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Thanks, Sister Samia, Kn and brother Mazhar. I think it is amply clear from examples that Li Al Mout Taqeena is the break down, which is supported by AlKitab as well. May Rub shower His blessing upon all of you, and avert the Mout from you all.
Brother Mazhar, for your qurey about Tenween not following a teshdeed in example cited from AlKitab.
To best of my knowledge at this time. There are two main types of Teshdeeds, with subtypes.
- Necessary
- Euphonic.
What you are asking, would an eupohnic teshdeed following Nun or Nun of Nunation. However, it is only applied, if letter following Nun or nunation are one of following. Yaa, Waw, Lam, Mim and Ra. In the case you pointed, there is an alif following tenween of dumma. Hence no teshdeed. Hope this helps.
Badar
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Thanks, Sister Samia, Kn and brother Mazhar. I think it is amply clear from examples that Li Al Mout Taqeena is the break down, which is supported by AlKitab as well. May Rub shower His blessing upon all of you, and avert the Mout from you all.
Salaam Badr
Please don't make me accomplice in this misunderstanding of yours. I clearly explained to you that "mut" is a verb and ALWAYS used as such in the qur?an. You cannot just change its spelling as you like to make it a noun so as to fulfill your agenda. This change of spelling is not supported by alkitab.
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I think bkanwar is meaning "Hudanl-Li Al Mut Taqeen" where first L is with euphonic teshdeed and spoken in connection with Hudan as Hudanl, while Alif is dropped in writing from "Al" and is commonly read as Lil Mut Taqeen, whereas it probably is Hudanl Li Al Mut Taqeen. I did the same error and wrote Moat in the thread, but it seem it is "Mut Taqeen"the two being separate words joind with doubling of T with the help of teshdeed. However it seems that even "Mut" is implying death in its all forms including intellectual, death as indiviual humans and collective as a nation and when added with Taqeen, in the full conrext , could mean enabling you to gaurd against such death.
Praying Rab for his guidance.
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Brother Mazhar, for your qurey about Tenween not following a teshdeed in example cited from AlKitab
No, it was not like that. Simply about tenween on the last word of 2273. Out of two, one sign/mark of dhumma is reversed. I say it is incorrect. Here both should be straight.
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Salaam Badr
Please don't make me accomplice in this misunderstanding of yours. I clearly explained to you that "mut" is a verb and ALWAYS used as such in the qur?an. You cannot just change its spelling as you like to make it a noun so as to fulfill your agenda. This change of spelling is not supported by alkitab.
Sister Samia, you do not have to agree with me at all. I have no personal agenda. The only agenda, I have is to be able to understand the message of Rub by learning the language that was spoken at the time. This once spoken language is only preserved in the archives now. As I understand it, just want to share with others. This is not in order to gain any personal gains. Not even words of praise or appreciation. The purpose is to draw people to look at the message from linguistic point of view; the only correct way in my humble opinion. Once, we start doing this, understanding will follow.
Just look at the word in discussion, since we continue to follow tradition. Up to date nobody said that this word could have been a combination of four separate words. " Le, Al, Mut and Taqeena. All accounts of exegesis I have read so far go like this. This is a very difficult word to translate. Then, they say based upon conjecture and some Hadith, it means Good fearing. When others object, they say no it means god conscious and on and on.
However, it is abundantly clear now from linguistic break down, guarding people needs to be told, what to guard of? To guard of MUAT. However, since they will guard all the time, this noun Maut from which to guard, becomes part of this act, hence Mut a verb. However, this act Mut, will carry all meanings of the noun Muat from where it is deriven, wouldn't ?
kn,thanks again for clearifying.
Herbman, it was bothering me too not to apply the principle of Jezm, I am promoting on word . Though, I rationalised the other meanings several ways, in addition from contextual use it made more sense. However, from linguistic point of view I wanted an expalanation too and so did you. Upon, research it appears that Jezm in addition for indicating seperation of words, is also used for indicating empahasis on a consonant. To better examplify, it would be fair to equate this kind of Jezm to use of Euphonic Teshdeed.
Badar