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Muhammad Habib Shakir's Version

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    Wakas
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    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8900.msg196721#msg196721

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      Meteora
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      ^Which just proves the dude was a hadithist, plain and simple.

      I also came back in this to say that Shakir is not the most accurate, and I can argue about this now because I just happened to find another instance of pure...

      facepalm

      I was looking through this and read that Shakir wrote "gave to Dawood" instead of "gave to Dawood psalms" http//www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=4&translator=3&mac=

      But my home copy shows "pslams" in it. Plus as you can see in the link there's no period at the end so it's obviously an e-typo. That or my computer is screwy again.

      Anyway a side note, it's interesting how traditional muslims view musical instruments (and music in general) as haram when the Quran says that David was given Pslams and even in the "divine" hadith it says something similar.

      Narrated Abu Musa that the Prophet said to him' "O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the musical wind-instruments of the family of David.'"

      The only thing that fights music, in the traditional muslim world, is hadith that conflict with the one above and brainless scholars who misinterpret verses from the Quran to make people lives hell.

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        Sadly has a lot of mistranslations. Pickthal, Yusuf Ali, and Monshin Khan's versions are alike, but Shakir's for some reason, has many (disturbing) mistranslations.

        For example, he translates "khimar" in 2431 to "head coverings". As if placing "head coverings" over your breasts makes sense. This is an example showing how hadith makes you a retard.

        He also translates "Ihda" in 7435 to "misfortunes", when all other versions, including Khalifa's, translates it to "signs" or "miracles".

        There are of course many others, but this is why I'm not reading Shakir's anymore. Apparently, Shakir is the only English Quran translator that either didn't know Arabic or English to well. I believer the latter is right.

        Yusuf Ali I think was an Ahmedi while Shakir seems more Salafi oriented. All of them translate verses based on Sunni interpretation regardless. Like they way the say first, then and finally beat them lightly. Something taht does not exist in the Arabic original version. They also say captives of war regarding Ma Malakat Aymanukum, also something thats does not exist in the Arabic version.

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          Yusuf Ali I think was an Ahmedi while Shakir seems more Salafi oriented. All of them translate verses based on Sunni interpretation regardless. Like they way the say first, then and finally beat them lightly. Something taht does not exist in the Arabic original version. They also say captives of war regarding Ma Malakat Aymanukum, also something thats does not exist in the Arabic version.

          Peace

          Even Rashad Khalifa translated MMA as slave.
          Luckily I can read Arabic, but a lot of people can't.
          Can anyone recommend a reliable translation?

          God bless

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            Yusuf Ali I think was an Ahmedi while Shakir seems more Salafi oriented. All of them translate verses based on Sunni interpretation regardless. Like they way the say first, then and finally beat them lightly. Something taht does not exist in the Arabic original version. They also say captives of war regarding Ma Malakat Aymanukum, also something thats does not exist in the Arabic version.

            So..the Arabic is not saying to do it in 3 steps?

            is the MMA "the right hands possess" or something like that? The verse telling you who you can have sex with. I dunno lol.

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              So..the Arabic is not saying to do it in 3 steps?

              is the MMA "the right hands possess" or something like that? The verse telling you who you can have sex with. I dunno lol.

              I'm so sure the 3 steps are in the Quran ???
              MMA translated literally is right hands possess.
              They are mentioned a few times in the Quran. I think you're thinkning of the verse telling you who you can marry. Its supposedly someone who is not quite your wife so you can't have sex with her, I think. I've read too many opinions on the issue so I am not entirely sure what MMA is and can't give you a definite answer.

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                Meteora
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                I was asking penguin smacker

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                  nsws1988
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                  I was asking penguin smacker

                  Penguin smacker! LOL
                  I know you were asking Bigmo )

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                    Meteora
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                    I hope he doesn't mind me addressing him as such jedi

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                      nsws1988
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                      I hope he doesn't mind me addressing him as such jedi

                      At first I thought your pic was chocolate, but it looks like a man too so I'm going to call you the chocolate man

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                        Meteora
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                        Chocolate lol...it's from this http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlKMFHL28pQ&fmt=18

                        206, but I recommend watching it all. Very good quality for youtube.

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                          nsws1988
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                          Chocolate lol...it's from this http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlKMFHL28pQ&fmt=18

                          206, but I recommend watching it all. Very good quality for youtube.

                          It was so scary &
                          What was Mickey Mouse doing there?

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                            Meteora
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                            Lmao! Mickey's awesome...hugs Mickey

                            Mickey's the Disney badass of Kingdom Hearts. He was about to climb up those heavens and pwn the bald guy. jedi voodoo

                            What's wierd is that video has written it (put fmt=18 to see in hi-def) when that video was the hi-def version...brickwall

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                              nsws1988
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                              Lmao! Mickey's awesome...hugs Mickey

                              Mickey's the Disney badass of Kingdom Hearts. He was about to climb up those heavens and pwn the bald guy. jedi voodoo

                              What's wierd is that video has written it (put fmt=18 to see in hi-def) when that video was the hi-def version...brickwall

                              o I want to watch it all now!
                              Funny how this has nothing to do with the thread LOL

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                                Meteora
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                                You didn't watch the whole thing...I thought you did.

                                Off-topic ftw voodoo

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                                  nsws1988
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                                  You didn't watch the whole thing...I thought you did.

                                  Off-topic ftw voodoo

                                  i did watch it all but thought it was just a small sneeky peek n not the whole thing

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