Is man created on God's image?
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Peace,
Which part of the story is not in the torah? Does the torah say that Noah was black?!
The Torah says that Noah's sons were black... Now, can a white man produce black children? The answer is no, he can't. According to chemical genetics, it's physiologically impossible. Therefore, the Torah implies that Noah was black, just like his descendants... There is nothing in the Torah that even implies the concept of Noah's son being "cursed" with black skin, and this is a total European Christian fabrication.
Then I will rephrase my comment
You haven't read the other verse. Or, if you have, you have read it with a preconception, the same preconception that made you put the name of Adam to the soul mentioned in verse 41.
It seems that you do not read what you do not want to see in a direct verse from the qur'aan. I wonder if the same "quality" reflects in your reading of the torah you read what you like and you ignore what you do not like (as in the story of Noah).It seems like you have a preconceived notion regarding this NOT referring to Adam, even though everything else clearly implies that it does. This is your error, not mine... Also, I didn't ignore anything from the story of Noah; rather, you added in parts of the story that are totally unfounded and unreasonable, not based on the Torah at all. Is this also what you do regarding the Qur'aan, adding your own ideas into the mix, even if they don't appear in the scripture and aren't implied, promoting your own "quality" of reading the scripture?
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Peace,
The Torah says that Noah's sons were black...
In what context was the colour of his sons mentioned? Does the Torah usually tells about the color of people whose stories are narrated?
Why do you stick to this part and ignore the part about growing a vineyard, getting drunk,lying naked, and gettin? involved in a sexual incident?It seems like you have a preconceived notion regarding this NOT referring to Adam, even though everything else clearly implies that it does.
Verse 7189 balances this understanding and refutes the creation of a specific gender from the other . Make an effort to read it with some comprehension.
Is this also what you do regarding the Qur'aan, adding your own ideas into the mix, even if they don't appear in the scripture and aren't implied, promoting your own "quality" of reading the scripture?
My understanding is not part of the qur'aan, and if I , or anyone else, added to or substracted from the qur'aan, anyone would easily find out, because thre's no European or English copy with more or less material than the original. This is how it's preserved accross time and languages; not like the torah that changes drastically with every translation and within every land.
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Peace,
Saying that the hebrew Torah is mistranslated is a bit of an exaggeration. True but almost always minimal.
The Torah condones Capital punishment for any preach on the major commandments eg. Idolatry, Adultery, Sabbath etc.
The LAWS of the Torah should be upheld and they are NOT allegorical.
Muslims follow the Torah more than the Jews without even knowing.
Christians blame the Muslims for following some teachings of the Torah. I call it 'the abrahamic anomaly'. It proves that the Muslims are drunk and the Christians mock the Torah subconciously.
The Torah is an instruction for the Israelite nation for all their generations.
There is no afterlife promised to the righteous. Only fertility,lands and crops.
The wicked is punished in this world directly or through his seed.
The Goyim should avoid the capital crimes to remain safe from God's punishments as outlined in the Noahide Laws.
True Torah Judaism in a nutshell.
Peace,
Rami
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In what context was the colour of his sons mentioned? Does the Torah usually tells about the color of people whose stories are narrated?
Why do you stick to this part and ignore the part about growing a vineyard, getting drunk,lying naked, and gettin? involved in a sexual incident?The Qur'aan doesn't say anything about Noah growing a vineyard, getting drunk, lying naked, or getting involved in a sexual incident. But this does NOT mean this is not what happened; it just means they weren't necessary to mention in the Qur'aan. The Torah mentions them because it is a total sketch of the Israelite history. And because they were black people, this is a feature directly implied in the scripture. Again, it's not about their teaching, it's about their history...
Verse 7189 balances this understanding and refutes the creation of a specific gender from the other . Make an effort to read it with some comprehension.
This is a flawed interpretation. Just because the Qur'aan uses the term "it" does not mean it's not speaking about a male or female. In fact, the Torah often refers to the soul as "her" (in the feminine), even if it's talking about a man. The Qur'aan does the same thing, and it even does the opposite. For example, G-d is called "He" and "Him" throughout the scripture; but this doesn't mean that "He" is a male, since He is beyond being defined by gender.
My understanding is not part of the qur'aan, and if I , or anyone else, added to or substracted from the qur'aan, anyone would easily find out, because thre's no European or English copy with more or less material than the original. This is how it's preserved accross time and languages; not like the torah that changes drastically with every translation and within every land.
What's really up with all these anti-Torah speculations?! The Torah has not changed over the years, and the Jewish translations have been properly translated in many languages. The law does NOT change across lands, and the Torah studied today is the same Torah studied thousands of years ago. Why is G-d capable of preserving the Qur'aan, but not capable of preserving the Torah? Is this reasonable to you? Since one confirms the other, then BOTH are most likely preserved, not just the Qur'aan...
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Peace,
It seems some people thought I was joking when I said that God is a superman sitting on a throne that sits on waters.
I was not!
Some people speculate that God has no gender nor does the angels!
The truth thay are all males in orientation. No need for sexual organs. The Earth is female in orientation so is the Fire.
If gender is not important, why is God mad when people call the angels feminine names?
And why God refutes Jesus sonship by denying that he has no a female companion!?
The Torah is very clear that God is corporeal. Again the mystic absolutists will say that God is a trancedant one blah blah. God is a superman!
Read the scriptures!
Peace,
Rami
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Peace,
The Torah is very clear that God is corporeal. Again the mystic absolutists will say that God is a trancedant one blah blah. God is a superman!
How does the Torah imply that G-d is corporeal?
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Peace,
It seems some people thought I was joking when I said that God is a superman sitting on a throne that sits on waters.
I was not!
Some people speculate that God has no gender nor does the angels!
The truth thay are all males in orientation. No need for sexual organs. The Earth is female in orientation so is the Fire.
If gender is not important, why is God mad when people call the angels feminine names?
And why God refutes Jesus sonship by denying that he has no a female companion!?
The Torah is very clear that God is corporeal. Again the mystic absolutists will say that God is a trancedant one blah blah. God is a superman!
Read the scriptures!
Peace,
Rami
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg
look at what he says when he prostrates -
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg
look at what he says when he prostratesYeah transcedant one. He is a friend of mine called Yousef.
Whatever man, the scriptures are clear that God is similar to man in form. He has a face, hands, throne to sit on, He can approach a mountain, He will come from the clouds in J-Day, His throne is carried by Angels, His throne was on water etc.
Note that God created Man in His own image. Man NOT woman! He is a superman!!!
Peace,
Rami
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Whatever man, the scriptures are clear that God is similar to man in form. He has a face, hands, throne to sit on, He can approach a mountain, He will come from the clouds in J-Day, His throne is carried by Angels, His throne was on water etc.
Evidence is welcomed, if you have any.
Peace
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Evidence is welcomed, if you have any.
Peace754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and Earth in six days, then He settled upon the throne. The night runs from the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected by His command; to Him is the creation and the command. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
Why did He take six days, because He is a superman creating doing one thing at a time. Then he settled on the Throne. If you think throne means control or management, this is bogus as of the following verse,
2386 Say Who is the Lord of the seven universes and the Lord of the great throne?
The throne is decribed as Great and separate from the Heavens. Thats actually a real throne.
3975 And you will see the angels surrounding the throne, glorifying the praise of their Lord. And it will be judged between them with truth, and it will be said Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds
How da heck can you surround the Throne if its a metaphor.
6917 And the angels will be on its borders, and the throne of your Lord will be carried above them by eight.
Throne is an actual thing!
7143 So when Moses came to Our appointed time, and his Lord spoke to him, he said My Lord, let me look upon you. He said You will not see Me, but look upon the mountain, if it stays in its place then you will see Me. So when his Lord revealed Himself to the mountain, He caused it to crumble; thus Moses fell unconscious. When he awoke, he said Glory be to You, I repent to You and I am the first of those who believe.
Note God told him you WILL see me if it stood in place and He revealed Himself. SUPERMAN!
God is within time,
2247 And they seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. And a day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years you count.
Actually it takes time to reach Him,
325 He arranges matters from the heaven to the Earth, then it ascends to Him in a day which is equivalent to one thousand of the years which you count.
God will come through the clouds with the Angels!
2210 Are they waiting for God to come to them shadowed in clouds with the angels? The matter would then be finished! And to God all matters will return.
The Quran didn't deny it! God will come with Angels carrying the throne and praising Him. The Angels is like God's military!
2525 And the Day when the sky will be filled with clouds, and the angels will be sent down in succession.
3969 And the Earth will shine with the light of its Lord, and the record will be placed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth; and it will then be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged.
God is a King, luminicient superman sitting on a throne moving with His soldiers.
You are the one who must give evidence that God is a singularity trancednant outside of time yada yada yada! peace
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754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and Earth in six days, then He settled upon the throne. The night runs from the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected by His command; to Him is the creation and the command. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and earth in six days, and then He established the authority. The night covers the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected to His law; to Him is the creation and the law. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
Edip-Layth - Quran A Reformist Translation
Edip-Layth - End Note 17 (754)
This verse, like many other verses informs us that God is employing evolution and stages in His creation (419-10; 769; 1528-29; 2445; 2918-20; 327-9; 7114-17). Furthermore, creation in six days provides a yardstick regarding the times allocated for the creation of the earth and the universe. According the Quran the creation of earth took four out of six days. If universe started 13.7 billion years ago, ignoring the possibility of early inflation, then 4/6th of this, would be approximately 9 billion years, which is about 4 billion years more than currently estimated age. According to the Bible, God created the universe for a special purpose (Psalms 1356), and creation shows the power of God (Isaiah 4026,2, His glory and handiwork (Psalms 191), and the wisdom of God (Psalms 10424; 1365). In six days. Exodus 2011; 3117). First day, making light and dividing it from darkness (Genesis 13-5; 2Co 46). Second day, making the firmament or atmosphere, and separating the waters (Genesis 16-. Third day, separating the land from the water, and making it fruitful (Genesis 19-13). Fourth day, placing the sun, moon, and stars to give light (Genesis 114-19). Fifth day, making birds, insects, and fish (Genesis 120-23). Sixth day, making beasts of the earth, and man (Genesis 124,2. God rested on the seventh day (Genesis 22- 3). Those who distorted the revelation in the Bible misunderstood the meaning of the phrase "six days" as "six 24-hour days." According to the Bible, the earth is only 5700-plus years old. The Quran rejects the assertion of God "resting" on the seventh day (503.2247 They seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. A day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years you count
325 He arranges matters from the heaven to the earth, and then it ascends to Him in a day which is equivalent to one thousand of the years which you count
704 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years
37 He is the One who sent down to you the book, from which there are definite signs; they are the essence of the book; and others, which are multiple-meaning, metaphoric or allegorical. As for those who have disease in their hearts, eager to cause confusion and eager to derive their interpretation, they will follow what is multiple-meaning from it. But none knows their meaning except God and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say, "We acknowledge it, all is from our Lord." None will remember except the people of intellect.
Perhaps you will pay heed.
Peace
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754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and earth in six days, and then He established the authority. The night covers the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected to His law; to Him is the creation and the law. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
Edip-Layth - Quran A Reformist Translation
Edip-Layth - End Note 17 (754)
This verse, like many other verses informs us that God is employing evolution and stages in His creation (419-10; 769; 1528-29; 2445; 2918-20; 327-9; 7114-17). Furthermore, creation in six days provides a yardstick regarding the times allocated for the creation of the earth and the universe. According the Quran the creation of earth took four out of six days. If universe started 13.7 billion years ago, ignoring the possibility of early inflation, then 4/6th of this, would be approximately 9 billion years, which is about 4 billion years more than currently estimated age. According to the Bible, God created the universe for a special purpose (Psalms 1356), and creation shows the power of God (Isaiah 4026,2, His glory and handiwork (Psalms 191), and the wisdom of God (Psalms 10424; 1365). In six days. Exodus 2011; 3117). First day, making light and dividing it from darkness (Genesis 13-5; 2Co 46). Second day, making the firmament or atmosphere, and separating the waters (Genesis 16-. Third day, separating the land from the water, and making it fruitful (Genesis 19-13). Fourth day, placing the sun, moon, and stars to give light (Genesis 114-19). Fifth day, making birds, insects, and fish (Genesis 120-23). Sixth day, making beasts of the earth, and man (Genesis 124,2. God rested on the seventh day (Genesis 22- 3). Those who distorted the revelation in the Bible misunderstood the meaning of the phrase "six days" as "six 24-hour days." According to the Bible, the earth is only 5700-plus years old. The Quran rejects the assertion of God "resting" on the seventh day (503.2247 They seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. A day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years you count
325 He arranges matters from the heaven to the earth, and then it ascends to Him in a day which is equivalent to one thousand of the years which you count
704 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years
37 He is the One who sent down to you the book, from which there are definite signs; they are the essence of the book; and others, which are multiple-meaning, metaphoric or allegorical. As for those who have disease in their hearts, eager to cause confusion and eager to derive their interpretation, they will follow what is multiple-meaning from it. But none knows their meaning except God and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say, "We acknowledge it, all is from our Lord." None will remember except the people of intellect.
Perhaps you will pay heed.
Peace
Peace,
Where is the proof?? I gave multiple verses that confirm that God is like a Man. Note that God created Man in the best image. It is the best because it is HIS image. Proof from two texts. Ofcourse the corporeality of God in the Torah is deafening.
You just quoted a mistranslation and then 37.
There is no confusion in the corporeality of God. It is a straightforward rendition of the verses.
Peace,
Rami
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Peace Rami,
"754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and Earth in six days, then He settled upon the throne. The night runs from the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected by His command; to Him is the creation and the command. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
Why did He take six days, because He is a superman creating doing one thing at a time. Then he settled on the Throne. If you think throne means control or management, this is bogus as of the following verse,"
Response Your thinking is flawed, your logic flawed. Why would you reject the option that the God was doing numerous simultaneous tasks in those six days? Do you know the complexity of such creation? Do you even comprehend the creation? If He chose to do it in six days than that is his wish. You have no say in it. Why don?t you show us that you can do a better creation in less than six days?
Moreover, if you allow the God to be like human (superman) than you must allow other creations to think that the creator looks like them. See the dilemma you created via your illogical thinking.
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Peace Rami,
"754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and Earth in six days, then He settled upon the throne. The night runs from the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected by His command; to Him is the creation and the command. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
Why did He take six days, because He is a superman creating doing one thing at a time. Then he settled on the Throne. If you think throne means control or management, this is bogus as of the following verse,"
Response Your thinking is flawed, your logic flawed. Why would you reject the option that the God was doing numerous simultaneous tasks in those six days? Do you know the complexity of such creation? Do you even comprehend the creation? If He chose to do it in six days than that is his wish. You have no say in it. Why dont you show us that you can do a better creation in less than six days?
Moreover, if you allow the God to be like human (superman) than you must allow other creations to think that the creator looks like them. See the dilemma you created via your illogical thinking.
Guest,
You are talking without any evidence. All the scriptures are against you. I have strong textual support without the logical wishful thinking.
Peace,
Rami
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Peace Rami,
The Qur'aan clearly states that G-d is omniscient and omnipresent. This is not even in debate...
To G-d belongs the east and the west; so wherever you turn is the face/presence of G-d. G-d is Encompassing (Omnipresent), Omniscient. (2115)
What I wanna know is WHERE DOES THE TORAH IMPLY THAT G-D IS CORPOREAL? You still haven't provided any sources for this claim, especially considering the fact that Judaism, which is based on the guidance from the Torah, firmly emphasizes the idea that G-d is incorporeal, omniscient and omnipresent. So, where are you getting your conclusion about the Torah from?
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Peace Rami,
The Qur'aan clearly states that G-d is omniscient and omnipresent. This is not even in debate...
To G-d belongs the east and the west; so wherever you turn is the face/presence of G-d. G-d is Encompassing (Omnipresent), Omniscient. (2115)
What I wanna know is WHERE DOES THE TORAH IMPLY THAT G-D IS CORPOREAL? You still haven't provided any sources for this claim, especially considering the fact that Judaism, which is based on the guidance from the Torah, firmly emphasizes the idea that G-d is incorporeal, omniscient and omnipresent. So, where are you getting your conclusion about the Torah from?
Peace Bilal,
God is indeed very corporeal in the Torah. Maybe in the Quran He is vaguely corporeal but in the Torah, it is a bit too evident. Lets read shall we
Gen 38 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
Gen 39 But the Lord God called to the man, "Where are you?"
Gen 310 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
Gen 311 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
Gen 312 The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
Gen 313 Then the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."Are you beginning to believe? The idea that God is incorporeal is a feature in Hellenistic thought that Jews grasped later on. God is an all-powerful superman sitting on a throne who uses Angels to relay information to and forth the seven heavens and the Earth. There is nothing like God because to be like Him you must have all the features He has but there none who has it.
Peace,
Rami
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1121 Say, "He is God, the One,"
1122 God is Absolutely Independent/Eternal (samad)
1123 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"
1124 "None is equal to Him." -
We are not created in Allahs image
If it is possible, then you are impling that allah is physical and someone have seen allah before
Even in the Quran where it was narated that Moses saw Allah, He never saw Him, it was the sparking of a light that fell Him down
ALLAHU ALAMU