Anthony Wallace - a messenger or not?

nsws1988

Peace, I will get back later. Lord willin.................

645 Did the news not come to you of those who had rejected before? They had tasted the consequences of their decision and they incurred a painful retribution.
646 That was because their messengers came to them with clear proofs, but they said ?Shall mere human beings guide us?? So they rejected and turned away, and God had no need. And God is Rich, Praiseworthy.

Where are your clear proofs then?

Meteora

I don't have anything against Anthony, and if he wants to continue living out his "messenger" fantasy by promoting falsehoods about a real messenger.
How unfathomably stupid.

You can't be a messenger by (unsuccessfully) disproving someone's messengership. Even in the Quran it states, messengers can either confirm a scripture or bring a new one. In the latter case they would be prophetic messengers. They also have to bring with them miracles I believe. What miracle has this Wallace guy shown? Oh right, his obstinance.

People seem to like rejecting code 19 because it doesn't work with every formula they can think of, which is childish and silly. It will obviously only work for the right equations. Does that mean you can come up with an equation that suits code 19 when it's out of the miracle category? Of course. I can get some random number mentioned in the Quran, add another number to it and divide it by another, and get 19. Why isn't this a miracle? Because I just happened to get 3 numbers mentioned in the book and did a little of my own math, but when you consider for instance, the verse in the Quran bismillahillrahmanallraheem (which was revealed after the verse "over it is 19&quot has 19 letters, your lips touch 19 times when you recite the fatha, the first verse revealed to muhammad is 19 words and the last revealed sura is 19 words altogether, and when you place numbers of the chapters in the Quran (1,2,3..) and put after each number it's revlelation order (for instance sura 110 in the Quran is the 114th revealed sura) into one gigantic number (to not get you confused, "1101114" will be somewhere in that big number) and divide it by 19 you get a divisible. Just because you can think of insensical equations that does not suit the number doesn't mean it doesn't qualify to be a miracle.

anthonywallace

Anthony Wallace, your questions/accusations are in normal font, and my responses in boldface...

Where was God not speacking of "me" in Quran? Can you show me the verses?

You are claiming to be a messenger, the messenger is spoken of in the Quran, and it is not you, it is Muhammad. FYI, too lazy to look up verses speaking of the messenger, but if you don't think the Quran is talking about you, then where is your basis (or rather, mis-basis) for claiming to be some divine messenger?

And can you show me where I claimed that a specific verse was specifically speaking of me and noone else? And of Muhammad specifically? Or can you show me were it is immposible for two or more people to share some of the same experiences?

b]If you claim to be a messenger, then the holy book you claim to be a messenger of HAS to speak of you. If you are not mentioned in the Quran (which you are not) then God/Quran does not support your claims.

They called Muhammad metally ill, and misguided too; so why should I care what you think ( especially someone who doesnt know if his observations of the Quran are right or wronge)?

Anthony, take psychology. Schizophrenics often think a specific text or television program is referring to them when, in fact, they are not. Some also think that God talks to them (I do believe He speaks to us each individually), but you take it to a whole new level by claiming to be chosen.

2.Someone who doesn't know if his observations are right or wrong??? I say that in true humbleness and so that others do not follow what I think, but instead think for themselves and allow God to guide them to His path! In my mind there is ABSOLUTELY no doubt that my views are correct (and completely work for me). I truly feel God's love, have seen countless miracles in my own life, and taste His grace on a daily basis. I am not so completely arrogant (or sick) as you to try to tell others my views are correct and should be followed, but instead let them figure it out for themselves!

And how long have you stayed on this Earth in terms of years?

Not sure if that was a rhetorical question, but if it wasn't, then 30.

And which one of the messengers in the Quran do you believe? Isnt there more than one messenger mentioned in the Quran? So do you only accept one messenger mentioned in Quran and reject the others?

The ones spoken of in the Quran. 2. There are. 3. Yes, all others are irrelevant to me, I don't really care about them. I have the message of God alone, and do not need any human, messenger or otherwise to remember, obey, or pay homage to. The message is already here, thus the messengers are completely unimportant to me.

Narrated and not narrated? Or only those narrated? You do agree that God is and will be witness between us? Why wish me well if you think im a false messenger?

I don't even know what you are saying/asking in the first part, but the reason why I wish you well is because I truly feel sorry for you. I don't think you have evil intentions with claiming to be a messenger, but I believe you are either mentally ill, sickly misguided, or both. Since you intent is not bad, I feel sorry for you and hope God guides you. I don't really wish bad on anyone, actually.

You say that you may or may not be right in your observations about the Quran. Well why should anyone listen to you or follow you then!
If you dont know of you right or wronge? Why should I compromise wit you when you do not have certainty and are doubtful and I am on a clarity from my Lord?

Read above Anthony, it is said in humbleness. I do 'know' my views are correct, but until I actually speak with God on the Day of Judgment, I cannot say YES, YES, YES, they are 100% correct so follow me. I NEVER said anyone should listen to me, where did I say this? It is good to learn from each other, but I ALWAYS stress to allow God to guide each of us, NOT to rely on others'.

Then you would turn me into a rejecter-like you- after my belief! This is like the devil how he tells the human " Disbelieve" , then soon as he disbelieves, he says" I am innocent from what you do. I disown you. I fear God." And so what? So what if I never stop claiming to be Gods messenger and striving in His cause? And so what if I think the Quran has been inspired to me or that God is speaking of me ( A.D.W) in the Quran? What greater cost do I pay in my larger knowleadge or understaning? And faith and love?

Satan instills fear in you Anthony, since he has already cause you to believe you are a divine messenger, you are afraid to take back such claims. Satan uses such scare tactics to divert you from the path of God/humbleness/righteousness. I am NOT a rejector, I love God with all my heart Anthony, I truly do. I only reject human beings, like you because you are not necessary. You do not lead me to God, nor teach me anything new. I submit to God 100%, and do so without you, or any other 'messenger' out there.

Some of us have been given understanding, and some not. And some allitle more than others. And to try to tell people that our interpretation or understanding is better than others and that they need to follow us does not contradict the Quran, as mentioned before. You are not the first! Nor are you and the other rejecters anybetter than the ones from before. Your rejection will not be tolerated whatsoever with me. And no, my name ( Anthony Deshawn Wallace) is not written in Quran;o.k.? Ironacly and on the contrary, if you obey God and His messenger ,you all would not be going against the very Quran that you claim to follow. I do agree that me and others should not rely on you, but to seek guidance from God.

Yes, and I believe I have been given understanding. Yes, it DOES contradict the Quran, it tells us many times not to rely on others (or our forefathers) for guidance, and it goes on to say that the ONLY one who guides is God. You say they should follow YOUR views because you are a messenger. This is blasphemy Anthony, God tells us NOT to follow people like you, but instead to seek guidance through Him alone. You have been deluded by Satan into thinking you are something that you are not, when in fact you are no better or more special than any one of us here. I'm sure it probably hurts to hear that, but you need to know. We are ALL equal, and it is God we submit to. You and your views are above no one Anthony.

The truth is from God. That is " all" truth. I rest my faith in God alone. You speak of it as its just a book 1400 years old;while you have remained on the Earth for very little if you know. You have it all backwards,TheAlinatore. People like me who believe in God and His messengers and His words only increase your misguidance as it appears to me.

How so? By shunning man and seeking God alone? Your getting a bit sunni-ish with such claims, Anthony. I DON'T CARE about His messengers, they are all gone. All I have is God's message, and THAT is what I follow. There is no need for you Anthony, I have God and His word.

And also as you claim to know how I think. I only follow what is inspired to me from my Lord.

So you think, if you only knew who was inspiring you to make such claims Anthony, if you only knew...

Miserable is how you judge. Among us are those who submitted and the compromisers. As for those who submitted, they have sought what is corrct. And as for the compromisers, they are fuel for the Fire. God is more worthy to be followed. You have rejected Gods messenger ( me). You have rejected Muhamad. You have rejected Gods message.

Are you sick? Seriously? I follow the Quran and obey God alone, not you or any other false messenger out there. I don't reject Muhammad, I just don't worship him. I accept Muhammad's message (God, God, God) and reject him as an idol. I submit to God Anthony, not you. I love God Anthony, not you. I seek God Anthony, not you. Yes, I reject you and have no need for you, God is enough for me and shall be witness between us. I in no way, shape, or form reject his message, but believe in it and follow it to the best of my abilities. You are not part of that message and never will be. I feel bad for you Anthony, and think that you should focus on God alone. I bid you well, and hope you are able to find peace through our lord. peace

Isnt God the One who grants kingship to whom He pleases? If I should not follow what you think, then why should I turn into a rejecter or stop believing im one of the messengers? How am I arrogant ( or sick) by trying to tell others my views are correct and should be followed, when it is done to me and the believers on the regular? Except that we have people contantly tryin to turn us from the path to follow they desires and conjecture, live they lifestyle, eat pig, and argue wit us about it without knowleadge, and denounce the authority of our system. ect.... So now you agree that there are more than one messenger spoken of in Quran? Why not just be paitent if you dont think my intentions are bad and evil? What is your point? If you think my intents arent bad and evil, then whats the problem? So do do agree that it is good to learn from each other? Why would the devil cause me to believe I am a messenger ( of God)? Isnt the devil the one who says " Disbelieve."? Isnt the devils/rejecters the ones who say to Gods messengers " You are not a messenger."? How has satan diverted me from the path when I am on a straight path and I invite to God in full disclosure myself and whoever follows me? And I am not of those who set up partners? How am I diverted from the path of/humblness/righteousness? Do you not think? Its good that you dont worship Muhammad. Its good that you dont worship me. Its good that you accept Muhammads message ( God,God,God) and reject him as an idol. Its good that you submit to God TA, and not me. Its good that you seek God TA, and not me. But why do you harm me; when you know that I am Gods messenger to you?

You have brought or showed me nothin that I asked. I leared allite phycology- but no major study. I dont watch much TV. or read many books but the Quran mainly. And " none " can grasp it except those purified. And " none" can attain this except those who are paitient. And " None" can attain this except those who are extremly fortunate. And " none" will remember except the people of understanding. Miserable is how you judge! And the recters read the Quran too. But there is a barrier placed to prevent them from understanding it. And when the Quran say God gave him ( Rashad) abundant weath and children. And made everything comfortable for him. And he was stubborn towards Gods verses. Rashad ( he) thought and he analyzed. And woe to him for how he thought. Then he looked. Then he frowned and became bad tempered. Then he ( Rashad) turned away and was arrogant. So he said " This is but majic to be followed. This is nothin but the words of a human being," it is in fact, referring to Rashad and those who are criminal ( 74). Even thoe his name is not written in Quran. It is not for any human that God would speak to him ;except through inspiration, or from behind a barrier, or by sending a messenger to inspire whoever He wills by His leave. I will not let go of the Quran Nor will I ignore some of what my Lord has inspired to me because of the denyers. The Quran was not sent down to make cowards out of us. The Spirit dont come to make us weak. I really do agree that I and others should not follow what you think because of how you are talking. This is what you think

" Think for yourselves and allow God to guide you to the path."

Here you are telling the people what you think; and then you turn around and tell them they should not follow what you think. God is in no need of you! You probly caint, but I can, by Gods grace say " yes,yes,yes, this Quran is 100% correct so follow me; and I am the first of those who have submitted. I have no problem wit you stressing to allow God to guide us, nor do I have a problem wit you warning people about relyin on others or setting up partners,ect... I do not have a reason to take back my claims. Thats why I wont take it back. You caint tell me nothin. I am not for you. I am not nessesary for you. I dont lead you to God. I dont teach you anthing new. I dont do this for you! But I do it for those who believe and who think im nessesary, and who I do lead to God, and who I have lead to God, and who I have taught something new to them, and I have clarifyed some things for them. Thats who I am for. And to say to people like you "God is sufficient as a witness between me and you, the One who has the knowledge of the Scripture.? You dont tell me who or what I am. You have been deluded by Satan into thinking that God would not send anyone. And yes , in fact, I am no more than a human being like you. It is inspired to me that your god is One god, therefore you shall be upright towards Him and seek His forgiveness. And woe to those who set up partners. Not equal are the blind and the seer. Not equal are those who know and those who dont. Not equal are those who walk wit they heads slumed and those who walk on a straight path and are guided. I am not a caretaker over you. I dont do this for you. In verse 469 is the command that I am no different from the other messengers, nor do I know what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is inspired to me. I am no more than a clear warner.

Yes I am claimin to be a messenger; and you wish to make a distinction between His messengers. I only follow the Quran. I only claimed to be Gods messenger. I am honored. And I also made myself messenger of God, by His leave. And I am and would be honored to deliver my Lords messages. Its what I want to do for me and from the heart. And also, the Quran encourages us to invite others to the path of our Lord. And the Quran encourages expression of oneself and emotions. So what you are saying is irrelevant and contrary to Quran and disobedience to Gods order. The Quran say that I am on a straight path. You are basically tryin to tell me that your vies are correct and basically- that I should follow you ( just not in those words) by forming an opion of me or you opposituion. You act like I am telling the people to serve me instead of God ! God is the One I fear. He is more worthy to be feared than Satan and the people.. I only called you a rejecter because you said im not amessenger. And that is the kind of stuff the rejecters say to Gods messengers. Thus, you are a rejecter to me if you uttered it and God has inspired to me this Quran. You are following the similar verses tryin to cause confusion; while the verse I quot are governing and similar. And we believe in all from our Lord. You said that we are ALL equal. Thats another lie. A messenger has come to you from amongst yourselves. God is the One who inspired to me the Quran. And in verse 7158 is the command that I am Gods messenger to you all. The One who has the soverint of the heavens and Earth. There is no God but He.ect... You are a people who are being tested with commands of your Lord. I only said what I was commanded to say. I do focus on God Alone.

Im not done wit this reply. So u should be paitent. Later....

bravo

Anthony, do you expect us to believe every single person who says "I am a messenger" and if we don't we are rejectors/ disbelievers of them therefore we are rejectors/ disbelievers of God? How about those who claim they are messengers and are in fact mad?! Whether they are messengers or not, we have the Quran and only God will guide. Whether you are a messenger or not, let us focus on God alone, and you should too.
I think TheAlinatore said enough and I have nothing more to add.

Peace

I dont expect everbody to believe. And if a person comes and says hes messenger, all we can do is "wait" and see if what they say happens will happen. I dont think that noone who comes in the name of God ( claimin messenger) should be rejected. For those who are mad, God will show them to you by their speech. And the Alinatore has said nothin. Later.

nsws1988

You skipped my post. Do you have an answer?

Where are your clear proofs then?

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

You skipped my post. Do you have an answer?

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Don't remind him of the bitter ownage he got from me last time we talked about this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.15

peace

anthonywallace