Anthony Wallace - a messenger or not?
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First of all, you are NOT my messenger Anthony. I reject you and your idolatrous claims (idolatrous because I already accept God and His message and turn to him ALONE for guidance). You have brought NO NEW MESSAGE Anthony, only your interpretation of the Quran (we all have an interpretation of it). Your only difference is that yours is somehow better or more authorized because you are a 'messenger'. How little you reflect, for you are different from most because Satan has caused you to slander God. You also use His words against people for whom they are clearly not speaking (such as verses for denying the messenger when in fact I accept his message). The messengers before 'you' brought a message - you did not.
Also, I did not respond to your above post because it was way too long and my time is extremely limited (I've only been home 1 day in the past 2 weeks and have to leave early again tomorrow).
A messenger can "confirm a scripture" but I think messengership/prophethood can be accepted though clear signs (not sure if messengers have to have miracles but I'm 80% sure they do) though obstinance doesn't count as a sign (Wallace), other than that, you pretty much nailed it. I doubt anyone else is reading through all his crap either. After all we have very busy lives, but let me ask, how many here think Wallace is actually a messenger? rotfl
For the record, this thread is ******* hilarious. A messenger on free-minds.org...laugh
But hey you know, I guess there's a chance he could be. After all, he is advocating the Quran alone, right? That's one step forward to being one. bravo
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Why do you keep twisting the truth and accusin me falsly?
I didnt say I give the "commandments." And I didnt say that " you all" should not tell me to do anything. I said that " you- the rejecter,hypocrite" do not tell me what to do.
God gives te "commandments. God and His messenger gives the orders. And also those in authority amonst you and the believers give the orders.
ACCUSING YOU FALSELY?!!
This is what you said (from http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.45)
As for those who only guess at what saqar means, and so on... I will not follow your desires. If you dont know then you should just shut up if you knew what was better for you.
Are you the messenger? Should we obey and follow you? Do you want to learn the Quran? Then why are you talking? Or is it the devil inspiring his supporters to argue with Gods messenger? Whoever challenges God and His messenegrs will lose. And whoever challenges God will be tortured severly. Why do you dispute about things you dont know? And reject Gods signs while you are bearing witness?
@ everyone
Also, please see my posts here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16162.30BTW this is something AW said in that thread
Shut up, im bout gettin tired of you and all your false accusationsI have not even falsely accused you of ONE thing, Anthony. In fact, I was the one who held back some comments that I wanted to make in the beginning, while others attacked you. But all you did was accusing me of lying, of accusing you of doing/saying certain things and many more things. You have made fun of people and told me to "shut up" and said that we have to obey you and that none of our opions are valid.
If you truly were a messenger then you would follow this commandment
16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.
You should repent and reform - it's not too late.
389 Except those who repent after this and reform, then God is Forgiver, Compassionate
16119 Yet, your Lord, to those who repent and reform after committing evil out of ignorance, your Lord after that is Forgiving, Compassionate.
Peace
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God is our protecter. And I do invite to the path with wisdom and good advice. But most of youll dont like my advice.............
The larger group will be defeated...
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144 And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify to them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise.
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I thought you said one sentence isn't enough. Were you sent to us specifically? Because we are already serving God and avoiding evil.
Thats why I say one sentance isnt enuff. Is it not enuff for me to say " Serve God and avoid evil?" If you are serving God and avoiding evil then you are doing good. But that still dont turn the reminder from you. I dont know who recieve the inspiration or message. My only duty is to deliver it. And it it for God to guide or misguide.........................
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Thats why I say one sentance isnt enuff. Is it not enuff for me to say " Serve God and avoid evil?" If you are serving God and avoiding evil then you are doing good. But that still dont turn the reminder from you. I dont know who recieve the inspiration or message. My only duty is to deliver it. And it it for God to guide or misguide.........................
But of course all that is nothing if we don't accept Anthony Wallace as a messenger
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But of course all that is nothing if we don't accept Anthony Wallace as a messenger )
Look, rejecting Gods messengers is evil. Now the truth is from your Lord. So lets just let whoever desires belive and whoever desires reject. God knows who is best guided and who stray........
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Look, rejecting Gods messengers is evil. Now the truth is from your Lord. So lets just let whoever desires belive and whoever desires reject. God knows who is best guided and who stray........
No, you look. I am not going to accept every single person who claims to be a messenger. Especially with no 'clear signs'. Maybe it is because God is guiding me, thank God.
Yes, the truth if from God and He is enough. -
Look, rejecting Gods messengers is evil. Now the truth is from your Lord. So lets just let whoever desires belive and whoever desires reject. God knows who is best guided and who stray........
Peace,
If you are really a messenger why don't you preach in public in your local area??
It is funny to note that God's messengers are going cyber!
May I introduce you to one of your collegues,
http//www.youtube.com/user/whereistruth
Check the occupation.
She is playing the Pan-Religious BS.
Peace,
Rami
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144 And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify to them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise.
Dude...stfu. Anyone can quote this against anyone. Just stop. Even if you are a messenger, it would have no effect. Why? Because you would be just upholding the Quran which we uphold. A messenger's job isn't to disprove another messenger or slander him. Besides, as far as validity? RK is way ahead of you in that category. Brought numerous proofs and reminders. Only ones who grew bitter towards him were sunnis (they would be #1) and then those who want to talk about his past mistakes like what he did with a teenage girl, and then say that he was a liar. I've yet to see any show of this however. One "lie" I will mention is when someone said RK claimed a letter appeared in a verse 8 times when it appeared 7 times in order to get a 19 divisible, completely ignorant of the fact that it could easily have been a personal mistake and ignorant of the fact that the current Qurans today have slight edits in them, as they are not copies of the original scriptures. Even if 19 doesn't suit everything, the number of things that have to do with it (which would be somewhere between 20 to a 100) are all labeled "coincidences" by 19 rejectors, but do they also realize that the Quran doesn't just have to do with 19? There's a site talking about other mathematical miracles within the Quran, and the content is so much to read. It's amazing, but the 19 miracle is by far the greatest imo.
You will not gain anything if anyone believes you're a messenger. It's not like people are going to abide by your tafsir of the Quran, not that a messenger is allowed to do that anyway. It's obvious your main goal is to bash Khalifa, and the best you've managed to do was say because he threw out 128/129 he was a disbeliever, when there are not only numerous mathematical proofs showing it has no place in the Quran, but the fact Allah does not give any of his names (e.g., the merciful) to anyone, not even Muhammad, and there are historical evidence of tampering with the Quran, and it all has to do with the chapter 9. Coincidence? Think again. People who argue this will use the verse "we will perserve the book" but this has nothing to do with the printed books we have, because anyone can make any edits to them at any time or place. However, since we do have the system in which to decipher the Quran, it WILL be perserved. That is the meaning. If anyone can come up with a better meaning, then feel free to tell.
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Dude...stfu. Anyone can quote this against anyone. Just stop. Even if you are a messenger, it would have no effect. Why? Because you would be just upholding the Quran which we uphold. A messenger's job isn't to disprove another messenger or slander him. Besides, as far as validity? RK is way ahead of you in that category. Brought numerous proofs and reminders. Only ones who grew bitter towards him were sunnis (they would be #1) and then those who want to talk about his past mistakes like what he did with a teenage girl, and then say that he was a liar. I've yet to see any show of this however. One "lie" I will mention is when someone said RK claimed a letter appeared in a verse 8 times when it appeared 7 times in order to get a 19 divisible, completely ignorant of the fact that it could easily have been a personal mistake and ignorant of the fact that the current Qurans today have slight edits in them, as they are not copies of the original scriptures. Even if 19 doesn't suit everything, the number of things that have to do with it (which would be somewhere between 20 to a 100) are all labeled "coincidences" by 19 rejectors, but do they also realize that the Quran doesn't just have to do with 19? There's a site talking about other mathematical miracles within the Quran, and the content is so much to read. It's amazing, but the 19 miracle is by far the greatest imo.
You will not gain anything if anyone believes you're a messenger. It's not like people are going to abide by your tafsir of the Quran, not that a messenger is allowed to do that anyway. It's obvious your main goal is to bash Khalifa, and the best you've managed to do was say because he threw out 128/129 he was a disbeliever, when there are not only numerous mathematical proofs showing it has no place in the Quran, but the fact Allah does not give any of his names (e.g., the merciful) to anyone, not even Muhammad, and there are historical evidence of tampering with the Quran, and it all has to do with the chapter 9. Coincidence? Think again. People who argue this will use the verse "we will perserve the book" but this has nothing to do with the printed books we have, because anyone can make any edits to them at any time or place. However, since we do have the system in which to decipher the Quran, it WILL be perserved. That is the meaning. If anyone can come up with a better meaning, then feel free to tell.
I proclaimed messenger before surah 74 was conveyed to me or before "disproving Rashad." Throwing out Gods verses isnt nothin to be took lightly. How can you just throw out Gods verses? Thats how you feel about His words? And is God a mathititian? Mathimatics i and its omnipresents is something one normally only assosiates wit a diety. Later..........................
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No, you look. I am not going to accept every single person who claims to be a messenger. Especially with no 'clear signs'. Maybe it is because God is guiding me, thank God.
Yes, the truth if from God and He is enough.How many people do you know today claimin to be messenger? You act like there is many. Work according to your way. And thank God........
Peace,
If you are really a messenger why don't you preach in public in your local area??
It is funny to note that God's messengers are going cyber! D
May I introduce you to one of your collegues,
http//www.youtube.com/user/whereistruth
Check the occupation.
She is playing the Pan-Religious BS.
Peace,
Rami
I preach at the salat sometimes. And sometimes in the streets. Workin on buildin a temple. And im just being patient the best I can. I have been in retreat for the past couple years from everyone, so I been kinda quiet...And just waitin...And practicin with the rejecters on the internet.....And trying to get my speech together. May God remove the knot in my tounge. peace
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Dude...stfu. Anyone can quote this against anyone. Just stop. Even if you are a messenger, it would have no effect. Why? Because you would be just upholding the Quran which we uphold. A messenger's job isn't to disprove another messenger or slander him. Besides, as far as validity? RK is way ahead of you in that category. Brought numerous proofs and reminders. Only ones who grew bitter towards him were sunnis (they would be #1) and then those who want to talk about his past mistakes like what he did with a teenage girl, and then say that he was a liar. I've yet to see any show of this however. One "lie" I will mention is when someone said RK claimed a letter appeared in a verse 8 times when it appeared 7 times in order to get a 19 divisible, completely ignorant of the fact that it could easily have been a personal mistake and ignorant of the fact that the current Qurans today have slight edits in them, as they are not copies of the original scriptures. Even if 19 doesn't suit everything, the number of things that have to do with it (which would be somewhere between 20 to a 100) are all labeled "coincidences" by 19 rejectors, but do they also realize that the Quran doesn't just have to do with 19? There's a site talking about other mathematical miracles within the Quran, and the content is so much to read. It's amazing, but the 19 miracle is by far the greatest imo.
You will not gain anything if anyone believes you're a messenger. It's not like people are going to abide by your tafsir of the Quran, not that a messenger is allowed to do that anyway. It's obvious your main goal is to bash Khalifa, and the best you've managed to do was say because he threw out 128/129 he was a disbeliever, when there are not only numerous mathematical proofs showing it has no place in the Quran, but the fact Allah does not give any of his names (e.g., the merciful) to anyone, not even Muhammad, and there are historical evidence of tampering with the Quran, and it all has to do with the chapter 9. Coincidence? Think again. People who argue this will use the verse "we will perserve the book" but this has nothing to do with the printed books we have, because anyone can make any edits to them at any time or place. However, since we do have the system in which to decipher the Quran, it WILL be perserved. That is the meaning. If anyone can come up with a better meaning, then feel free to tell.
Facts
The Quran clearly says that the number 19 is a ?test?, not sign nor a miricle.
Those who have rejected will fail the test by rejecting Gods verses saying that 9128 and 9129 are nothin but the words of a human being in order to justify their lie.
The word Rahim in 9128 referrs to a messenger who is merciful towards the believers and not mean towards them.
The word " Rahim" is a name of God in Quran and is also used to decribe a messengers attitude towards the belivers, and also how they are among themselves.
So stay away from those pharisys and teachers! They like blind people leading other blind people. They will all fall into a ditch!
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How many people do you know today claimin to be messenger? You act like there is many. Work according to your way. And thank God........
I preach at the salat sometimes. And sometimes in the streets. Workin on buildin a temple. And im just being patient the best I can. I have been in retreat for the past couple years from everyone, so I been kinda quiet...And just waitin...And practicin with the rejecters on the internet.....And trying to get my speech together. May God remove the knot in my tounge. peace
Anthony, how can you be a messenger if you call believers like Ahmad Bilal and myself "satan" and say "shut up"?
This is what you said (from http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.45)
As for those who only guess at what saqar means, and so on... I will not follow your desires. If you dont know then you should just shut up if you knew what was better for you.
Are you the messenger? Should we obey and follow you? Do you want to learn the Quran? Then why are you talking? Or is it the devil inspiring his supporters to argue with Gods messenger? Whoever challenges God and His messenegrs will lose. And whoever challenges God will be tortured severly. Why do you dispute about things you dont know? And reject Gods signs while you are bearing witness?
@ everyone
Also, please see my posts here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16162.30BTW this is something AW said in that thread
Shut up, im bout gettin tired of you and all your false accusationsI have not even falsely accused you of ONE thing, Anthony. In fact, I was the one who held back some comments that I wanted to make in the beginning, while others attacked you. But all you did was accusing me of lying, of accusing you of doing/saying certain things and many more things. You have made fun of people and told me to "shut up" and said that we have to obey you and that none of our opions are valid.
If you truly were a messenger then you would follow this commandment
16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.
Peace.
If you have no objections, AW, then I'm out as well I guess. -
Dude...stfu. Anyone can quote this against anyone. Just stop. Even if you are a messenger, it would have no effect. Why? Because you would be just upholding the Quran which we uphold. A messenger's job isn't to disprove another messenger or slander him. Besides, as far as validity? RK is way ahead of you in that category. Brought numerous proofs and reminders. Only ones who grew bitter towards him were sunnis (they would be #1) and then those who want to talk about his past mistakes like what he did with a teenage girl, and then say that he was a liar. I've yet to see any show of this however. One "lie" I will mention is when someone said RK claimed a letter appeared in a verse 8 times when it appeared 7 times in order to get a 19 divisible, completely ignorant of the fact that it could easily have been a personal mistake and ignorant of the fact that the current Qurans today have slight edits in them, as they are not copies of the original scriptures. Even if 19 doesn't suit everything, the number of things that have to do with it (which would be somewhere between 20 to a 100) are all labeled "coincidences" by 19 rejectors, but do they also realize that the Quran doesn't just have to do with 19? There's a site talking about other mathematical miracles within the Quran, and the content is so much to read. It's amazing, but the 19 miracle is by far the greatest imo.
You will not gain anything if anyone believes you're a messenger. It's not like people are going to abide by your tafsir of the Quran, not that a messenger is allowed to do that anyway. It's obvious your main goal is to bash Khalifa, and the best you've managed to do was say because he threw out 128/129 he was a disbeliever, when there are not only numerous mathematical proofs showing it has no place in the Quran, but the fact Allah does not give any of his names (e.g., the merciful) to anyone, not even Muhammad, and there are historical evidence of tampering with the Quran, and it all has to do with the chapter 9. Coincidence? Think again. People who argue this will use the verse "we will perserve the book" but this has nothing to do with the printed books we have, because anyone can make any edits to them at any time or place. However, since we do have the system in which to decipher the Quran, it WILL be perserved. That is the meaning. If anyone can come up with a better meaning, then feel free to tell.
Just stop what? Validity? What do you mean R.K. was ahead of me? What proofs did he bring? What did he "remind" you of? What clear proof did he bring giving him authority to remove 9128/129? Who told Rashad they were false? Allah- the Lord of the universe? Do you have any Quranic evidence ( words) to support your claims? Whats so great about this 19 so-called " miricle?"
Anyone can quote the verse, but not everyone does. You are not upon anything untill you uphold the Torah and the ingeel and the Quran. Rashad is ahead of me in nothing. Nor is he ahead of God. I am bitter towards his rejection, and I am not a sunni. Im a monothest, not setting up any partners. I dont and have not talked about his mistakes. Not even his violation of many laws in the Quran unless come up in discussion. The ninteen "test" is bay far the greatest, not the 19 "miracle" according to Quran alone. I may not gain anything if anyone believes im a messenger, but those who believe will. Verse 128/129 dont belong in Quran because you desire it not to belong to protect your therom or discovery/invention. So you will fing any way you can to sceam against Gods verses and prove them false by means of falshood to defeat with it the truth. The fact about " Rahim" is it is not used to describ the messengers " name/title;" but rather his "attitude" towards the belivers. Its a lie that "Rahim" is an exclusive word for God in Quran because verses 7151, 4829,ect.. uses this word differently and not as " God, the merciful" in every occurance threwout the Quran. I dont think Rashad thought that anyone could see him.
Me really bein a messenger would have effect because I would be upholding the Torah and the Gospel, and the Quran; while you would just be upholding the Quran. A messengers job is to deliver the message, clearly. I only follow what is inspired to me. You speak of R.K. as if he is here. As far as his other mistakes, God is more aware of the sins of His servants. And much gets overlooked. I only talk about the facts and his major crime that has mislead many of the believers according to surah 74. He lied on God and the so called " corrupted hyporcritical muslims" in order to prove his therom or discovery. That is his " method". Once he gets pass the lie or finds a way to prove this therom ( and gets everyone to reject and believe 128/129 are false), then he is in ( or may I say the majic begins). With Allah is the master copy of the Quran. My main goal is to convey the message the best I can, and R.K. and his followers are my victums. Him " throwin out" 128/129 is enuff to prove he was a disbeliver. Rahim is a name of God in Quran and is also used to describe a messengers attitude towards the beivers, and also how they are amonst each other and also as God being the " Most" merciful of " those who show mercy".; even if the rejecters hate it. Yes there is historicle evidence of tampering wit the Quran, and R.K. is one of them. Today, this is how God protects and preserves the Quran that we know of. In order to detect errors we know that every word and letter would be so called divisible by 19 if we dont count 128/129. And we know what we know about 9128&9129.
I say to you, lets just focus on the facts in Quran that match what R.k> said and did. And stop sceaming against Gods verses trying to make them crooked.
Even if we remove 9128, " Rahim" would still be a shared word in Quran because 1) it suggests that others show mercy too; but God is the most merciful of those who show mercy.( see 7151,1264, 1292, 2183, and 23109) 2) Those who are with Muhammad are merciful between themselves. ( 4829) 3) You can call God Rahim as one of His names.
peace