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    Peace be upon you,

    The God's truthful signs(quran), indicate to us that the BEST HADITH(story) is the God's HADITH(story). So we must be careful when we say we do not follow "hadiths", we must realize that we do follow a story(hadith), the BEST story(hadith) because it is the TRUTHFUL story(hadith) from the God which instructs us in LAWS that govern life and allows us to choose success or failure.

    (3923) The God descended the best story/information(ahsana alhadeethi )...

    Which story after it will the will they believe?

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      Keep disrespecting the imaams and I will keep treating you like a bitch.

      1. Woah.

      2. Said imams deserve no respect for obvious reasons.

      That's because you do not follow the Quranic way, but your own nafs (desire, self). If you followed the Qur'an you would also follow this

      "If anyone disobeys Allah AND His Messenger he is indeed on a clearly wrong path."

      "He that obeys Allah AND His Messenger has already attained the great victory."

      These are Allah's limits, and whoever obeys Allah AND His Apostle, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; and this is the great achievement.
      And whoever disobeys Allah AND His Apostle and goes beyond His limits, He will cause him to enter fire to abide in it, and he shall have an abasing chastisement" (Holy Qur'an 413-14)

      "And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, leave it. And fear Allah truly Allah is severe in punishment. "

      "Say (to them O beloved Muhammad) If you (men) really do love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

      "O you who believe! Obey Allah AND obey the Messenger AND those charged with authority among you; and if you differ in anything among yourselves, then refer it to Allah AND the Messenger if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best and most suitable for final determination." (Surah Al-Nisa' 459)

      Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil) if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.

      The Messenger's duty is but to proclaim (the message). But Allah knoweth all that ye reveal and ye conceal.

      Say "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

      And whoso obeys Allah AND this Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings - the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they.

      "Whosoever obeys the Messenger, he has obeyed Allah; and he who turns away - We have not sent thee as a warder over them."

      Failed attempts upon failed attempts in trying to use quranic verses to validate the alleged hadith of the prophet. With sufficient knowledge of the Quran, you would know that to obey the messenger is equal to obeying allah = accepting the Quran only (which, tells us that God's complete word to mankind is the Quran), but your scholars have duped you to think "and his messenger" means take the hadith for guidance.

      Like I said, keep disrespecting Allah, the prophet, the Imams and Muslims, and I will not leave this place and keep treating you people like bitches!!!

      So where are you? ;D

      You have the Qur'an as a mere play and do not follow the words, for if you did, you would follow the messenger of Allah (pbuh)

      The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger! "Ah! woe is me! Would that I had never taken such a one for a friend! "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man!" Then the Messenger will say "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."

      Your biggest failure yet. Is the messenger complaining that someone didn't follow the hadith? The sunna? No, but you think the Quran tells us to go read the books of Bukhari, Muslim, Abu-Dawood, etc. How laughable your assertion is.

      Too bad that you only figured this out today, whereas the Sunnis believed this over 1400 years ago. )

      The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said The best Hadith is the Holy Qur'an.

      Too bad the sunni's reject said hadith by accepting other hadith beside it. Hint The Quran condemns any other hadith different than itself.

      Interesting article I found ;D

      THE BEST HADITH

      The Almighty God Who created all things has given us the Quran for our guidance. Nothing else. The word "hadith" is mentioned by God Almighty twenty eight times in His Quran. "Hadith" simply means a tiding, discourse or story.

      However it is a necessary condition for the other "hadith" writers like Bukhari and Abu Muslim (for the Sunnis) and Jaafar Al Tusi (for the Shias) and also others, to insist that the alleged sayings of the Prophet or the alleged "hadith" or "khabar" of the Prophet are a second source of guidance other than the Quran.

      The Islamic "scholars" also say that without the alleged other "hadith" or "khabar" of the Prophet, the meaning of the Quran cannot be understood. Surprisingly, most people who like to think of themselves as Muslims seem to believe this as true.

      God says in His Quran "Easy have we made the Quran to understand; is there anyone who will pay heed?"
      This verse is repeated exactly, word for word, four times in the Quran (Sura 5417,22,32 and 40).

      Why does God want to repeat Himself exactly, word for word, four times? Perhaps God wants to TESTlFY four times that the Quran is indeed easy to understand.

      Perhaps God wants to repeat this message because He knows that there will be boneheads "scholars" who will want to insist otherwise.
      Let us now see how God Almighty uses the word "hadith" in his Quran. "God has sent down the very best "hadith" in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, which makes all those who fear their Lord shudder. So their hearts and bodies become receptive to the remembrance of God. THIS IS TNE GUIDANCE OF God with which He guides whosoever He will, but whosoever God leaves to stray, HAS NONE TO SHOW HIM THE WAY' (Sura 3923). See Arabic text below The first sentence of verse 39.23.

      Here God says clearly that the Quran is the very best "hadith". Being the very best "hadith", the Quran therefore becomes THE GUIDANCE OF God.

      This immediately means that all other "hadith" are riot at all among the best
      hadith. All other hadith simply cannot "SHOW HIM THE WAY".

      God continues to tell us about "hadith". He says, "God, there is no other god, hut He. He will gather you together on the Day of Resurrection which is certain to come; AND WHOSE "HADITH" IS TRUER THAN GOD'S?" (Sura 487).

      Having said that the Quran is indeed the "very best hadith" (3923) God now asks whose "hadith" can' be truer than His? Who is foolish enough to answer God for this question? Bukhari, Abu Muslim, a Tirmizi, a Jaafar Al Tusi?

      God also says, "Have they not contemplated the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything created by God, that perhaps their own term is drawing to a close? IN WHICH "HADITH" AFTER THIS WILL THEY THEN BELIEVE?" (Sura 7185). "THESE ARE THE REVELATIONS OF God WHICH WE RECITE TO YOU CORRECTLY. IN WHAT OTHER "HADITH" THAN God AND HIS REVELATIONS WOULD THEY THEN BELIEVE?" (Sura 456).

      "In what other "hadith" after this will they then believe?" (Sura 7750).

      Again, who is willing to be fool enough to step forward to answer God His question? Is it going to be a Bukhari, and Abu Muslim or a Tirmizi? But why would these people write their "hadith" and then claim that it is true, "sahih", "hassan" etc. God always provides an answer. God says in His Quran,

      "But there are among men those who sell idle "hadith" to mislead people from the Path of God and to ridicule. For such men there will be a humiliating penalty". (Sura 316).

      These are people who have never been authorized by God to write any "hadith" other than the "best hadith" which is the Quran. Since they have chosen to do something never sanctioned by God, their actions can only mislead people. For them God promises
      "On that day, those who reject faith and disobey the Messenger will wish that the earth were made level with them. But never will they hide a single "hadith" from God" (Sura 442).

      "But never will they hide a single "hadith" from God"! Which "hadith" is God referring to here? It cannot be the Quran, because it is God Who has sent the Quran as the "best hadith". Can it then be Bukhari's "sahih", Abu Dawud's "sunan" or Jaafar Al Tusi's "khabar"etc? Think carefully!

      "Then leave Me alone with those who reject this "hadith". By degrees shall We punish them, from directions they perceive not!" (Sura 6844).

      According to our Almighty God, the people who have written their own hadith will have much to answer. When they write their own unauthorized "hadith" they will be punished from directions which they will never perceive.
      In the Quran, God has asked the disbelievers,

      "Let them then produce a "hadith" like this (Quran), if indeed they speak the truth". (Sura 5234).

      Ironically it is not the disbelievers but rather Imam Bukhari and friends who have tried a hand at answering this "challenge" from God.
      They have created the concept of "hadith Qudsi". According to the likes of Imam Bukhari and friends the "hadith Qudsi" are "actually" the unrevealed verses of the Quran!! Hence they have bravely risen to answer God's challenge in Sura 5234 above.

      "ABU HURAIRAH THE UNKNOWN"

      A large portion of Bukhari "hadith" is derived from the `Father of Cats" or Abu Huraira. Despite the fact that Sunni scholars cannot provide any evidence for the existence of Abu Huraira (no one even knows the real name of the "Father of Cats&quot, the largest portion of Sunni theology is derived from "hadith" narrated by "Abu Hurairah the Unknown".

      Among the hadith narrated by "Abu Hurairah the Unknown" we can find fables about what the Prophet did in the bathroom, in his bedroom etc. According to "Abu Hurairah the Unknown" he stuck very close to the Prophet and thus was able to observe the Prophet at close quarters.

      But God told the Prophet to tell his "companions" not to annoy the Messenger of God in his home, "Oh you who believe, do not enter the houses of the Prophet until permission is given to you for a meal, not too early as to wait for its preparation, but when you are invited enter. And when you have taken your meal, disperse, WITHOUT WAITING AROUND FOR ANY "HADITH". Such behavior annoys the Prophet. He is ashamed to dismiss you, hut God is not ashamed to tell you the Truth". (Sura 3353).

      So if the believers were told not to enter the Prophet's house too freely and not even to hang around waiting for any "hadith", how then could "Abu Hurairah the Unknown" know about the Prophet's domestic habits?

      Since "Abu Hurairah the Unknown" and many of his followers of today will insist that the "Father of Cats" did have free access to the Prophet's company, it simply means that "Abu Hurairah the Unknown", if he existed at all, did not accept the admonition in Sura 3353 above. By doing so he chose to answer the following challenge by God, "Do you take this "hadith" (Quran) in vain?" (Sura 5681).
      It is clear that God will never accept any "hadith" other than the Quran, which is the "best hadith".

      The "hadith" narrated by the likes of the "Father of Cats" and written by the likes of lmam Bukhari, Jaafar Al Tusi etc will never be recognized by God. For the likes of lmam Bukhari and "Abu Hurairah the Unknown".

      God says in His Quran, "Do you then wonder at this "hadith"? And will you laugh and not weep, wasting your time in vanities. You shall fall down in prostration to God and adore him." - Sura 53 59-62.

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        Peace be upon you,

        The God's truthful signs(quran), indicate to us that the BEST HADITH(story) is the God's HADITH(story). So we must be careful when we say we do not follow "hadiths", we must realize that we do follow a story(hadith), the BEST story(hadith) because it is the TRUTHFUL story(hadith) from the God which instructs us in LAWS that govern life and allows us to choose success or failure.

        (3923) The God descended the best story/information(ahsana alhadeethi )...

        Which story after it will the will they believe?

        Peace,
        Respectfully.

        I told them this, but the reject The Quran.
        I left them in peace.

        Peace.

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          Pl would some one expert in hadith tell me that the word "sahih" was used by the compilers of hadith material or some one else called those compilation as such. And the perception, meanaings, connotations infolded in the word may also be highlighted.

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            Pl would some one expert in hadith tell me that the word "sahih" was used by the compilers of hadith material or some one else called those compilation as such. And the perception, meanaings, connotations infolded in the word may also be highlighted.

            http//books.google.com.pk/books?id=6EFgzjDgxOsC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=%22sahih+was+used+by+the+compilers+of+hadith+material&source=bl&ots=YpIl7KM5hs&sig=4JkBTmgRwdVHxnheObTyytuBh0M&hl=en&ei=Rao-SsKjHaLUjAeF1rAH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

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              Do you think there is answer to my query in the link given? In first paragraph the word is Muslim Shaih. Did Bukhari and Muslim themselves select the word "Shaih" for their work? This is the question. And I wish to know the meanings of this word.

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                It is not "sahih" in the least. They just gave it that description so people can follow it. They even gave the trait of infallibility to anyone they considered a friend (sahaba) of the prophet (their definition of sahaba is anyone who stayed with the prophet for at least a few minutes or even SEEN him) when they're laughable ignorance stems from the fact that they didn't know Quran worth a damn. It's stated in the Quran that there were many hypocrites living in the town of the prophet and have seen him many times during his lifetime.

                Never mind the fact Bukhari thinks "kowthar" is a river in heaven when in Arabic it simply means sustenance. Need I mention that he (as well as the other 6 authors of hadith) are Persian? laugh

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                  They deliberately used the word "Shahih" since in the heart of their heart they had doubts about their veracity and authenticity, therefore they avoided using the word "truth". The word "shahih" has a built in element of doubt. And truth is always void of even an iota of doubt.

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                    What makes you so sure of that punk?

                    LOL!!! The fact that you become mentally and physcially weak and frustrated by turning into an abusive monster is not my problem at all and neither does it show any greatness or macho-ness!!! lol

                    It takes great effort to observe patience and perseverance. That is what greatness and macho-ness means.

                    LOL!! And you make me laugh with you sissy talk!!! lol

                    Having said that, it doesn't means that I am physcially weak. I would not hesitate to pick up my marchetti and chop some heads, but all for the purpose of justice and in serving Allah (swt).

                    Peace,

                    007.172
                    YUSUFALI When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, (saying) "Am I not your Lord (who cherishes and sustains you)?"- They said "Yea! We do testify!" (This), lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment "Of this we were never mindful"

                    007.173
                    YUSUFALI Or lest ye should say "Our fathers before us may have taken false gods, but we are (their) descendants after them wilt Thou then destroy us because of the deeds of men who were futile?"

                    007.174
                    YUSUFALI Thus do We explain the signs in detail; and perchance they may turn (unto Us).

                    007.175
                    YUSUFALI Relate to them the story of the man to whom We sent Our signs, but he passed them by so Satan followed him up, and he went astray.

                    007.176
                    YUSUFALI If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth, and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs; So relate the story; perchance they may reflect.

                    007.177
                    YUSUFALI Evil as an example are people who reject Our signs and wrong their own souls.

                    007.178
                    YUSUFALI Whom Allah doth guide,- he is on the right path whom He rejects from His guidance,- such are the persons who perish.

                    007.179
                    YUSUFALI Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided for they are heedless (of warning).

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                      Never mind the fact Bukhari thinks "kowthar" is a river in heaven when in Arabic it simply means sustenance. Need I mention that he (as well as the other 6 authors of hadith) are Persian? laugh

                      Peace,
                      This is what scared the hell out of me. How could any Persian have the gall to try writing down alleged sayings of Muhammad when even Arabs did not attempt such a thing. God knows best what was in Bukhari & Co. hearts but the fruits of their labor have certainly turned out to be divisive and corrupting.
                      God Bless!
                      Said

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                        I wonder why Prince hasn't been active since 2004...maybe because he began to realize the truth about hadith? laugh

                        Anyway...I was wondering if anyone knew what makes the sunnis believe "anyone who doesn't accept the second shahada Muhammad is God's messenger (as if he isn't dead, no offense Muhammad group is like Satan who only accepts the first shahada la illaha illallah.

                        I could talk about how ridiculous this sounds and really is but I'll pass. I just want to know where they get this belief from. If it's from hadith, I want to know which hadith (other than God's revelations, because I know it isn't there. In fact according to God's revelations, the second shahada is the one of the hypocrites). o

                        -M

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                          I wonder why Prince hasn't been active since 2004...maybe because he began to realize the truth about hadith? laugh

                          Anyway...I was wondering if anyone knew what makes the sunnis believe "anyone who doesn't accept the second shahada Muhammad is God's messenger (as if he isn't dead, no offense Muhammad group) is like Satan who only accepts the first shahada la illaha illallah.

                          I could talk about how ridiculous this sounds and really is but I'll pass. I just want to know where they get this belief from. If it's from hadith, I want to know which hadith (other than God's revelations, because I know it isn't there. In fact according to God's revelations, the second shahada is the one of the hypocrites). o

                          -M

                          Repent &

                          Narrated Abu Ma'bad
                          (the slave of Ibn Abbas) Allah's Apostle said to Muadh when he sent him to Yemen, "You will go to the people of the Scripture. So, when you reach there, invite them to testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that Muhammad is His Apostle. And if they obey you in that, tell them that Allah has enjoined on them five prayers in each day and night. And if they obey you in that tell them that Allah has made it obligatory on them to pay the Zakat which will be taken from the rich among them and given to the poor among them. If they obey you in that, then avoid taking the best of their possessions, and be afraid of the curse of an oppressed person because there is no screen between his invocation and Allah." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 24, Number 573)

                          ... Abu Dhar went to the Mosque, where some people from Quraish were present, and said, 'O folk of Quraish! I testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, and I (also) testify that Muhammad is Allah's Slave and His Apostle.' (Hearing that) the Quraishi men said, 'Get at this Sabi (i.e. Muslim)!' (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 725)

                          The only problem with this argument is that it fails to mention that the Shahadah found in the so-called sound narrations, found in those hadiths that are part of the sahih collections of Al-Bukhari and Muslim, do not limit the confession to Allah's unity and Muhammad's apostleship. There are other narrations that actually expand the creed to include a confession regarding the exalted status of Jesus and belief in the reality of the afterlife!

                          Narrated 'Ubada
                          The Prophet said, "If anyone TESTIFIES that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His Slave and His Apostle, and that Jesus is Allah's Slave and His Apostle and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him, and that Paradise is true, and Hell is true, Allah will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he had done even if those deeds were few." (Junada, the sub-narrator said, " 'Ubada added, 'Such a person can enter Paradise through any of its eight gates he likes.&quot (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 644)

                          It is narrated on the authority of Ubadah b. Samit that the messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed HE WHO SAID "There is no god but Allah, He is One and there is no associate with Him, that Muhammad is his servant and His messenger, that Christ is servant and the son of His slave-girl and he (Christ) His word which He communicated to Mary and is His Spirit, that Paradise is a fact and Hell is a fact," Allah would make him (he who affirms these truths enter Paradise through any one of its eight doors which he would like. (Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 0043)

                          The foregoing shows that Sunni Islam?s REAL and COMPLETE Shahadah must include a profession of faith in Jesus? special relationship to God, i.e. that every Muslim must bear witness, testify that Jesus is the servant of God, the Word of God, and the Spirit of God. It must also include a profession of belief in heaven and hell. In other words, Sunni Islam?s Shahadah would look something like this

                          I bear witness that there is no god but Allah.
                          I bear witness that Muhammad is his slave and messenger.
                          I bear witness that Jesus is his Servant, Word, Spirit, and the son of his slave-girl.
                          And I bear witness Paradise and Hell are true/real.

                          http//www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/sunni_shahada_rebuttal.htm

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                            .....OH...MY...........FREAKING.......BUDDHA.........

                            Are you serious? Sunni Islam is garbage. That's it really. They can't even get their shahada right according to the Quran + Hadith combination pack they have, yet they go around attacking people for not mentioning the whole of what happens to be part of what their true shahada is supposed to be according to the Quran + Hadith...well...actually just the hadith because the Quran says it's "la illaha illa la" (there is no God but God).

                            Every day I learn something sad about Hislam. rotfl

                            -M

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                              .....OH...MY...........FREAKING.......BUDDHA.........

                              Are you serious? Sunni Islam is garbage. That's it really. They can't even get their shahada right according to the Quran + Hadith combination pack they have yet they go around attacking people for not mentioning the whole of what happens to be part of what their true shahada is accoring to the Quran + Hadith pack...well...actually just the hadith because the Quran says it's "la illaha illa la" (there is no God but God).

                              Every day I learn something sad about Hislam. rotfl

                              -M

                              Just a quick question, I know what hadiths are, but what is the literal translation of the word hadith?

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                                hadith= tells/stories

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                                  hadith= tells/stories

                                  yes

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                                    hadith= tells/stories

                                    Thank you, quite self explanatory then? Stories without any basis in truth.

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                                      Quote from herbman on July 09, 2009, 034058 PM
                                      hadith= tells/stories

                                      Thank you, quite self explanatory then? Stories without any basis in truth.

                                      This is NOT the meaning of word hadith. This is the perception of those modernists who are the other side of the fake coin of traditionalists. Both traditionalists and modernists actually want to avoid the Qur'aan, from within they are one and the same thing, on appearance line of argument is different, since client of both two is different.

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                                        From
                                        http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

                                        Ha-Dal-Thaa = something new/recent, it (a thing) came into existence, began to be, originated, had a beginning, existed newly for the first time, to relate discourse,
                                        story/report/narration/statement/tale.
                                        Lane "hadathu - a novelty or new thing, an innovation, a thing not known before, and particularly relating to El-Islam (i.e. to matters of religious doctrines or practices or the like)"

                                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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