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Beating wife theory is negated by Qur'aan=4:34

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    unknownuser
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    Peace
    Nashooz (Betrayal) is a violation of the contract ,no matter if it is carried out by the woman or man. It is a serious matter because whole family including children are affected morally.It has to be punished.
    Regards

    what is the punishment of a husband if he nushuz?

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      what is the punishment of a husband if he nushuz?

      Peace
      Because female is physically weak ,she will make the "state " to interfere.

      581

      (581) Allah *1 has indeed heard the words of the woman who is pleading with you concerning her husband and is making her complaint to Allah. Allah is hearing your mutual conversation *2 . He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.]

      Any complaint on the part of the woman the "state" should address it.If the husband is found guilty ,he will be punished accordingly.

      Regards

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        Samia
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        Peace
        Nashooz (Betrayal) is a violation of the contract ,no matter if it is carried out by the woman or man. It is a serious matter because whole family including children are affected morally.It has to be punished.
        Regards

        Why punished? She did not tell a lie she is supporting him. What's the punishment for being arrogant?

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          Peace
          Because female is physically weak ,she will make the "state " to interfere.

          thats why we should beat her if she is guilty of nushuz? what is the punishment of a husband if he is guilty of nushuz?

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            Mazhar
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            Who calls Nashooz=Betrayal??

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              Samia
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              Peace
              Because female is physically weak ,she will make the "state " to interfere.

              581

              (581) Allah *1 has indeed heard the words of the woman who is pleading with you concerning her husband and is making her complaint to Allah. Allah is hearing your mutual conversation *2 . He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.]

              Any complaint on the part of the woman the "state" should address it.If the husband is found guilty ,he will be punished accordingly.

              Regards

              Any punishment is the business of the community. No individual has the right to judge and/or punish another.
              And this is a twisted logic because a woman is physically weak, the husband has the right to beat her up?!

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                Mazhar
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                thats why we should beat her if she is guilty of nushuz? what is the punishment of a husband if he is guilty of nushuz?

                But where is the punishment for wives for their Nashooz?

                Advise, is it called punishment anywhere?

                Remove her away to seperate bed inside the bed room--don't have sex with her--who calls it punishment? For healthy husband it is other way round, self punishment.

                Remove her from bed room into other part of the house---is it punishment?

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                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                  But where is the punishment for wives for their Nashooz?

                  Advise, is it called punishment anywhere?

                  Remove her away to seperate bed inside the bed room--don't have sex with her--who calls it punishment? For healthy husband it is other way round, self punishment.

                  Remove her from bed room into other part of the house---is it punishment?

                  Women also have their needs laugh

                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                    But where is the punishment for wives for their Nashooz?

                    Advise, is it called punishment anywhere?

                    Remove her away to seperate bed inside the bed room--don't have sex with her--who calls it punishment? For healthy husband it is other way round, self punishment.

                    Remove her from bed room into other part of the house---is it punishment?

                    Dear brother, I agree with you, am asking q_student who implied "nushuz has to be punished" and according to him 434 says "punish her" so where is punishment of husband is mentioned? when nushuz on part of husband is mentioned it says why the two different remedies for same act? Is nushuz of husband different than nushuz of wife?

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                      Mazhar
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                      Women also have their needs laugh

                      But the "toleration" level of majority is quite different. A wife seldom asks for it. And even if she reflects it this would be like a very weak pleasant odor whithered away quickly in air.

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                        Women also have their needs laugh

                        The funny thing is when nushuz is explained by traditionalists as (when the wife refuses to sleep with the husband). It will be silly to consider such an act as a punishment to the wife, when actually she would say "good riddance"!

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                          Mazhar
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                          Dear brother, I agree with you, am asking q_student who implied "nushuz has to be punished" and according to him 434 says "punish her" so where is punishment of husband is mentioned? when nushuz on part of husband is mentioned it says why the two different remedies for same act? Is nushuz of husband different than nushuz of wife?

                          If you please see there also the matter is taken towards

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                            unknownuser
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                            If you please see there also the matter is taken towards

                            yes for the same reason I've underlined it ;D

                            one more word to notice in that verse is ahsaan

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                              Mazhar
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                              yes for the same reason I've underlined it ;D

                              one more word to notice in that verse is ahsaan

                              There is one thing more and that can happen inside the bed room.

                              And this attitude of the husband is not for reason of some negative "physical" reasons in wife. Here the intention is to take money/assets from wife which is evident from . In Urdu ahsaan might convey a different perception from Arabic, where equity, proportion, balanced is the perception, when things are in appropriate measure making it look beautiful for the eyes of onlooker.

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                                Who calls Nashooz=Betrayal??

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                                Would you please tranlate it ? and tell us how does it differ from "betrayal'?
                                Regards

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                                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                  I'd say "nushuz" means "disloyalty".

                                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                    Peace

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                                    Would you please tranlate it ? and tell us how does it differ from "betrayal'?
                                    Regards

                                    I told you, you can easily detect the additions and manipulations of these dictionaries. It says rising up "against obeying him"! The addition is "obeying him". God does not command any human to obey any other.
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                                    O you who believe! when it is said unto you, Make room! in assemblies, then make room; Allah will make way for you (hereafter). And when it is said, Come up higher! go up higher; Allah will exalt those who believe among you, and those who have knowledge, to high ranks. Allah is Informed of what you do.

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                                    and look at the bones, how we shall make them stand up and clothe them with flesh.

                                    Can't see any "betrayal", but rising high and standing up

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                                      I told you, you can easily detect the additions and manipulations of these dictionaries. It says rising up "against obeying him"! The addition is "obeying him". God does not command any human to obey any other.
                                      5811

                                      O you who believe! when it is said unto you, Make room! in assemblies, then make room; Allah will make way for you (hereafter). And when it is said, Come up higher! go up higher; Allah will exalt those who believe among you, and those who have knowledge, to high ranks. Allah is Informed of what you do.

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                                      and look at the bones, how we shall make them stand up and clothe them with flesh.

                                      Can't see any "betrayal", but rising high and standing up

                                      Peace
                                      It is your own lack of knowledge that you are trying to spit on the Moon.
                                      Learn to consult dictionaries sister.
                                      You cannot translate such a small sentence?? which defines Nashooz.Very strange.

                                      What is the translation of
                                      ?
                                      Regards

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                                        Samia
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                                        Peace
                                        It is your own lack of knowledge that you are trying to spit on the Moon.
                                        Learn to consult dictionaries sister.

                                        It's your lack of reasoning that you do not understand the qur'aan and how to read it and search meanings of words from it.
                                        Learn to trust the qur'aan to give you answers.

                                        698

                                        What is the translation of
                                        ?

                                        Another level of ignorance...
                                        You do not test me

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                                          Q_student
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                                          It's your lack of reasoning that you do not understand the qur'aan and how to read it and search meanings of words from it.
                                          Learn to trust the qur'aan to give you answers.

                                          698

                                          Another level of ignorance...
                                          You do not test me

                                          Peace
                                          If you have some knowledge translate above two sentences. How can you understand Quran without Arabic knowledge.It is very much essential.You can consult dictioanries if you like.
                                          Regards

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