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According to the quran, what is the lowest heaven?

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    Meteora
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    I read that there is the High Heaven, Lower Heaven, Purgatory (which eventually leads to the lower heaven), and Hell. Is this true?

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      2130 Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

      Edip-Layth - End Note 5 (2130)
      The creation of the universe from a singularity about 13.7 billion years ago with a Big Bang has been supported by many scientific observations and calculations since the beginning of the early 20th century. The Quran stated this fact unequivocally 14 centuries before. Furthermore, the Quran supports the closed model of the universe (5147). We are also informed that the early stage of the universe was gas (4111). The vitality of water for carbon-based biological life is evident. See 482.

      Shabbir Ahmed - End Note 13 (2130)
      Here is a clear allusion to the Big Bang theory. Numerous celestial bodies came into being and started swimming along in their orbits. 2133, 2445, 3640, 7930

      Rashad Khalifa - End Note 3 (2130)
      The Big Bang Theory is now supported by the Creator's infalliblemathematical code (Appendix 1). Thus, it is nolonger a theory; itis a law, a proven fact.

      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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        There was no such thing which the words "Bing Bang" convey. The Universe will certainly end with a BING BANG which will be heard soon.

        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/07.%20Aafaq%20ki%20haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century.htm

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          I read that there is the High Heaven, Lower Heaven, Purgatory (which eventually leads to the lower heaven), and Hell. Is this true?

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            ;D > ??? P -[ -X -\ -* '( yuck > O0 sun welcome fftopic bravo rotfl yay brickwall group confused elektro ignore whatever yeah jedi angel peace voodoo hypno muscle handshake pr ! nope & hmm wow yes eat tempt hail giveup laugh police

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              D ;D >( ( ??? P -[ -X -\ -* '( yuck >D O0 sun welcome fftopic bravo rotfl yay brickwall group confused elektro ignore whatever yeah jedi angel peace voodoo hypno muscle handshake pr ! nope & hmm wow yes eat tempt hail giveup laugh police

              D ;D >( ( ??? P -[ -X -\ -* '( yuck >D O0 sun welcome fftopic bravo rotfl yay brickwall group confused elektro ignore whatever yeah jedi angel peace voodoo hypno muscle handshake pr ! nope & hmm wow yes eat tempt hail giveup laugh police

              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                There was no such thing which the words "Bing Bang" convey. The Universe will certainly end with a BING BANG which will be heard soon.

                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/07.%20Aafaq%20ki%20haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century.htm

                7930 The land after that, He made it like an egg.

                Edip-Layth - End Note 3 (7930)
                The Arabic word dahaha comes from root dahy, which means egg. The earth, with its physical shape and geologic layers resembles an egg. Though the roundness of the earth was known by philosophers before the revelation of the Quran, ordinary people did not find it a reasonable or common-sense fact. Therefore, almost all the commentators of the Quran tried to interpret the word so that they could save their flat earth from being curved. They reasoned that the verse must be an allegorical description, that God must have meant the nest or the place of the egg from the word egg. So, they translated this verse as follows "and after that He spread the earth"! Abd al-Aziz bin Baz was the chief cleric of Saudi Arabia, the head of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars for three decades. He had a great impact on regressive and oppressive laws in Saudi Arabia, including the ban on women's driving. A book authored by Bin Baz was published in 1975 carried the following title "Scientific and Narrative Evidence for that the Earth is Fixed, the Sun is Moving and it is Possible to Go to the Planets." The book was not published by any publishing house; it was published by none other than the Islamic University of Medina. In that book, Bin Baz complains about a new heresy; he is saddened to see, well more accurately, hear, people talking about the motion of the earth and he wants to put a stop to that heresy. In page 23, Bin Baz after listing some hadiths, issues a fatwa, asserting that those who believe that the earth is rotating are kafirs (disbelievers), and if they were Muslims before, they became apostates. The Saudi Sunni leader does not stop there and explains the ramification of the fatwa any Muslim believing in the rotation of the earth loses his or her right to life and property; they should be killed! This same cleric was the head of an international conference of Sunni scholars representing 38 countries discussing the Salman Rushdi affair. Then, Saudi Arabia was competing with Iran regarding leadership in the Islamic world and this was the hot issue. The conference issued a unanimous fatwa on March 19, 1989, condemning Rushdi and Rashad Khalifa, as apostates. The Western world by then knew Rushdi, but not many westerners were familiar with the second name in the fatwa. Dr. Rashad Khalifa, the late leader of the modern reformist movement and the discoverer of the mathematical code of the Quran, in less than a year after this fatwa, would be assassinated by a terrorist group affiliated with the Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden on January 31, 1990, in his mosque in Tucson, Arizona. Bin Baz, in his book, quoted some verses and many hadith to support his position that the earth is fixed. After his expressing his religious verdict of the death penalty for the apostates who believe in a moving earth, he included the following reasoning as his scientific evidence "If the world was rotating as they assert, countries, mountains, trees, rivers, seas, nothing would be stable; humans would see the countries in the west in the east, the ones in the east in the west. The position of the qibla would change continuously. In sum, as you see, this claim is false in many respects. But, I do not wish to prolong my words." Towards the end of the 20th century, a "university" of a Sunni country publishes such nonsense authored by the highest-ranking religious leader of that country! Considering the Ottoman chief clerics banned the import and use of the printing machine for about 300 years, it becomes clear why the so-called Muslim countries are so lagging behind in civilization, socially, politically, and in science and technology. For a comparative discussion of this verse, see the Sample Comparisons section in the Introduction. The Bible, because of the tampering of many human hands, contains questionable information about the shape of earth Isaiah 1112; Matthew 48; Revelation 71. See 482; 681 and 395.

                2130 Did those who reject not see that the heavens and the earth were one mass and We tore them apart? That We made from the water everything that lives. Will they not acknowledge? (QRT)

                2130 Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe? (Rashad Khalifa)

                2130 Are the unbelievers not aware (after this proclamation) that the heavens and earth used to be one solid mass and We exploded them out? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the truth? (Shabbir Ahmed)

                Edip-Layth - End Note 5 (2130)
                The creation of the universe from a singularity about 13.7 billion years ago with a Big Bang has been supported by many scientific observations and calculations since the beginning of the early 20th century. The Quran stated this fact unequivocally 14 centuries before. Furthermore, the Quran supports the closed model of the universe (5147). We are also informed that the early stage of the universe was gas (4111). The vitality of water for carbon-based biological life is evident. See 482.

                Shabbir Ahmed - End Note 13 (2130)
                Here is a clear allusion to the Big Bang theory. Numerous celestial bodies came into being and started swimming along in their orbits. 2133, 2445, 3640, 7930

                2133 He is the One who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each swimming in an orbit.

                Edip-Layth - End Note 7 (2133)
                This verse clearly informs us that all (kul) celestial bodies rotate in an orbit. Interestingly, the earth's rotation around its axis is also implied by the expression "night and day." See 2788; 3640; 395; 681; 7930.

                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                    Peace,
                    Yusuf Ali "Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge. " 65.12

                    The seven "Firmaments" refer to the seven distinct layers above the Earth in my current understanding. These are

                    1. Troposphere The air that we breath.
                    2. Ozone Layer Although considered a part of stratosphere, it has a different chemical and physical structure than the stratosphere.
                    3. Stratosphere Temperature increases with height
                    4. Mesosphere Temperature decreases with height
                    5. Thermosphere Temperature again increases with height
                    6. Exosphere Contains free moving particles.
                      (I have not mentioned the ionosphere because it overlaps the thermosphere and the exosphere)
                    7. All space besides the layers already defined.

                    http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_atmosphere

                    One of the verses that talks about the heaven(layer) is 37.6
                    Yusuf Ali We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,- (37.6)
                    However, the Arabic is Assama Ud-Duniya (Assama Sky/Heaven, DuniyaEarth) while Yusuf Ali wrongly translates it to lower heaven. This is probably the uppermost layer that extends after the Exosphere and would contain everything in the universe. The above is a geocentric definition but fits with the Quranic information since we are the audience.

                    Similar number for the earth

                    1. 0- 40 Crust
                    2. 40- 400 Upper mantle
                    3. 400- 650 Transition region
                    4. 650-2700 Lower mantle
                    5. 2700-2890 D'' layer
                    6. 2890-5150 Outer core
                    7. 5150-6378 Inner core

                    http//library.thinkquest.org/28327/html/universe/solar_system/planets/earth/interior/layers_of_earth.html

                    The more I read the Quran the more I am in awe of our Creater, the Rahman!

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                      7930 The land after that, He made it like an egg.

                      Edip-Layth - End Note 3 (7930)
                      The Arabic word dahaha comes from root dahy, which means egg. The earth, with its physical shape and geologic layers resembles an egg. Though the roundness of the earth was known by philosophers before the revelation of the Quran, ordinary people did not find it a reasonable or common-sense fact.

                      Instead of supporting the above view a rant on clerics and heretics is posted with an attempt to fit round earth similar to Christians twisting the word encompasses in Isaiah.

                      It is He who sits above the circle of the earth
                      http//bible.cc/isaiah/40-22.htm

                      If taken literally means sits on the earth like on a beach ball; equally absurd as egg shaped.

                      7930 And the earth after that He stretched/spread it
                      http//www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=79&vid=30

                      Above is either allegoric or perhaps the earth is stretching like a balloon as the rest of the universe...

                      Expanding Earth
                      http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ_B60gK9Is

                      Peace,
                      Yusuf Ali "Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge. " 65.12

                      The seven "Firmaments" refer to the seven distinct layers above the Earth in my current understanding. These are

                      1. Troposphere The air that we breath.
                      2. Ozone Layer Although considered a part of stratosphere, it has a different chemical and physical structure than the stratosphere.
                      3. Stratosphere Temperature increases with height
                      4. Mesosphere Temperature decreases with height
                      5. Thermosphere Temperature again increases with height
                      6. Exosphere Contains free moving particles.
                        (I have not mentioned the ionosphere because it overlaps the thermosphere and the exosphere)
                      7. All space besides the layers already defined.

                      http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_atmosphere

                      One of the verses that talks about the heaven(layer) is 37.6
                      Yusuf Ali We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,- (37.6)
                      However, the Arabic is Assama Ud-Duniya (Assama Sky/Heaven, DuniyaEarth) while Yusuf Ali wrongly translates it to lower heaven. This is probably the uppermost layer that extends after the Exosphere and would contain everything in the universe. The above is a geocentric definition but fits with the Quranic information since we are the audience.

                      Peace,

                      According to some theories the earth once did not have an atmosphere thus it's best to cross-check all verses pertaining to the matter and keep in mind sky/space is synonymous with everything in the universe/s and seven can be allegoric for numerous...

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                        ...so there isn't two heavens in the next life? '(

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