Has anyone ever accused you of "questioning the Qur'an"....
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My grand mother told me not to question the quran when I said that dogs are not haraam! And she said that she would show me the verse the next day...Apparantly the next day didn't come because my grandmother denied that she told me about showing the verse in the quran rotfl
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Sister,
What to say of those three verses, if we see things out of context, then scope becomes wider for people;
I did not ake it out of context. Now, where in the verse you quote, do you find (who believes in a messenger)?
This taken in solitude may absolve many to believe in any Book.
The answer to this is in the context of the verse I quoted
Say thou people of the Book! ye rest not on aught until ye establish the Taurat and the Injil and that which hath now been sent down unto you from your Lord. And that which hath been sent down unto thee will surely increase many of them in exorbitance and infidelity; so mourn thou not over and disbelieving people.
Again, no messenger, because it's not about messengers but the message.
Who is the messenger of the "Sabians"? What's their book? -
Peace
It seems to me that he is questioning the Quran not you. In the Quran, God tells us that it is complete, not to follow hadeeths etc yet it seems that he is questioning the Quran's authority and God's honesty.
Give him some time. When you have been brainwashed for so many years it is hard to break away from tradition. Give him a list of verses from the Quran and let him choose whether to accept them of reject them.
Regarding the signs of judgement day from outside the Quran, the prophet Mohammed couldn't tell the future according to the Quran...
God bless
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I think you are a very good debator. Your husband, or your interlocutor in general, has to say something. Don't expect "ah, you are righ. Sorry, I do not read the qur'aan corretly". But in general, when you make up your point, don't corner them too much. Give them some space to think alone. And I think you made up your point very well.
True, and I don't mind debating. ;D
Yes especially for him, I have to sort of back off after I make my point so he can digest what I'm saying.
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Peace
It seems to me that he is questioning the Quran not you. In the Quran, God tells us that it is complete, not to follow hadeeths etc yet it seems that he is questioning the Quran's authority and God's honesty.
Give him some time. When you have been brainwashed for so many years it is hard to break away from tradition. Give him a list of verses from the Quran and let him choose whether to accept them of reject them.
Regarding the signs of judgement day from outside the Quran, the prophet Mohammed couldn't tell the future according to the Quran...
God bless
Peace.
Yes, I'm totally not questioning the Qur'an! I think he's projecting my questioning the hadiths onto the Qur'an.
I can understand his line of thinking, as I was once there. I wasn't born and raised in a "Muslim" country with Muslim parents either, so he has almost 20 years more of being brainwashed than me.
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O you the people of the Book, indeed our Messenger has come to you
He makes for you people manifestly evident and distinct much of what you people conceal from the Book and he ignores quite many of your concealments .
O you the people of the Book, indeed our Messenger has come to you
.......lest you could take the plea to advance "To us did not come from amongst the Pronouncer of Glad tidings nor Admonisher/Warner/Awakener". Hence/for this reason indeed the Pronouncer of Glad Tidings and Admonisher/Warner/Awakener has come to you people
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O you the people of the Book, indeed our Messenger has come to you
He makes for you people manifestly evident and distinct much of what you people conceal from the Book and he ignores quite many of your concealments .
O you the people of the Book, indeed our Messenger has come to you
.......lest you could take the plea to advance "To us did not come from amongst the Pronouncer of Glad tidings nor Admonisher/Warner/Awakener". Hence/for this reason indeed the Pronouncer of Glad Tidings and Admonisher/Warner/Awakener has come to you people
Whose explanation is that in the brackets, Mazhar?
519 O followers of the Bible! Now, after a long time during which no apostles have appeared, there has come unto you Our Apostle to make clear to you, lest you say, "No bearer of glad tidings has come unto us, nor any warner " for now there has come unto you a bearer of glad tidings and a warner -since God has the power to will anything.
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O you the people of the Book, indeed our Messenger has come to you
He makes for you people manifestly evident and distinct much of what you people conceal from the Book and he ignores quite many of your concealments .
Whose translation is this? Who inserted (you were waiing for) and (with Grand qur'aan) between brackets? And who translated as "our messenger"?
This verse clearly shows that means messge here. It is further described in the same verse as
O people of the book. Our message has reached you. A light from God and an explanatory book from God has reached you (515) -
Progressive Muslims
515 O people of the Scripture, Our messenger has come to you to clarify for you much of what you were hiding from the Scripture, and to pardon over much. A light has come to you from God and a clarifying Scripture.519 O people of the Scripture, Our messenger has come to clarify for you after a lack of messengers; so that you cannot say "No bearer of good news or warner has come to us;" for a bearer of good news and a warner has come to you; and God is capable of all things.
It is also said
Progressive Muslims
2462 The believers are those who believe in God and His messenger, -
It is also said
Progressive Muslims
2462 The believers are those who believe in God and His messenger,Peace,
I am frequently wrong and in this instance may very well be but it was my understanding that mumineen and muslimeen are two different things. Mumineen are held to a higher standard than Muslimeen. So in order to be a Muslim all that is required is to believe in God, the last day and do good works. The requirements for Mumin are more stringent. Anyone else?
GodBless!
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Verily those who believe, and those who are Judaised, and the Sabians and the Nazarenes - whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and worketh righteously, no fear shall come on them, nor shall they grieve.
the above verse applies to those who believe in God and in all that has been revealed by Him to his messengers
Jews and Christians have to believe in quran and prophet Mohammad only then they can be considered on right path otherwise they are only in the opposition.
2135 And they say Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists
2136 Say We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
2137 If then they believe as you believe in Him, they are indeed on the right course, and if they turn back, then they are only in great opposition, so Allah will suffice you against them, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
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I am frequently wrong and in this instance may very well be but it was my understanding that mumineen and muslimeen are two different things.
Yes one could apparently be a muslim since it is physical/apparent aspect, way and code of life. The proper way is to first become a believer and then put that belief into physical action. Believers are asked not to die untill and unless they were in the state of being muslim. Believing is ideology, Deen is action. An action has weight and meaning only if it is done under the attraction of an idea, otherwise it is just that thing which is done by any animal. Weight is the unit of attraction the earth has for that thing, therefore, all those acts would go waste and fruitless and will be of no weight and value if not done in the love and under the influence/attraction of belief. Belief and Deen are complimentary, one without the other is meaningless proposition. The belief will be of no avail without acts and acts will be of no avail without belief.
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569
Verily those who believe, and those who are Judaised, and the Sabians and the Nazarenes - whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and worketh righteously, no fear shall come on them, nor shall they grieve.
the above verse applies to those who believe in God and in all that has been revealed by Him to his messengers
Jews and Christians have to believe in quran and prophet Mohammad only then they can be considered on right path otherwise they are only in the opposition.
2135 And they say Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists
2136 Say We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
2137 If then they believe as you believe in Him, they are indeed on the right course, and if they turn back, then they are only in great opposition, so Allah will suffice you against them, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
I'm confused. If Jews & Christians believe in Prophet Muhammad (saw) and the Qur'an, then they'd no longer be Jews & Christians, right??!!
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I'm confused. If Jews & Christians believe in Prophet Muhammad (saw) and the Qur'an, then they'd no longer be Jews & Christians, right??!!
???thats why is also included in the verse. God did not give them these names, God said 2135 Say Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.
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God has given Jews identity of Bani Israel. As for Christians are concerned, it is they who identify themselves as Nisaara. There are believers/Momin amongst Bani Israel/Jews but for identification they retain as being of Bani Israel. Quran has divided humanity into six identified groups in 2217. Hell is however divided into seven parts, each part for one group. One part, the worst one is for the seventh group who have no identity in the world neither here nor there, they are Munafiqeen, RK was one of them.
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God has given Jews identity of Bani Israel. As for Christians are concerned, it is they who identify themselves as Nisaara. There are believers/Momin amongst Bani Israel/Jews but for identification they retain as being of Bani Israel. Quran has divided humanity into six identified groups in 2217. Hell is however divided into seven parts, each part for one group. One part, the worst one is for the seventh group who have no identity in the world neither here nor there, they are Munafiqeen, RK was one of them.
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thanks for the info but who is talking about RK here?
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Attending to two sections made this mention inadvertantly.
rotfl rotfl rotfl I am sorry but that was too funny!