Purgatory
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Peace Lote Tree
I have been interested in art since I was ten and I can say your art work looks outstanding and I learn now you are just 18! I wish you all the sucess in your art and your future career...
Each day I am learning age does not really have much to do with one's abilities, one can physically age but the rest of their self can still remain a seed pigging out in the dirt.
I must now ask you then, do you have any art for my eye's or ear's feast upon? As well, where have you set yourself towards for the future?
When you think about it nothing really isn't art
I agree. Sometimes I wonder whether art came first or religion in the consciousness of human beings in our evoluitonary past...
When you think about it nothing really isn't art *
note the wink now think The answer is as well in the question.
To me drawing is much like a spontaneous revelation, in that I usually never get the end design looking how I thought originally and I am often dumbfounded at the results, think'n "How I do this?"
Thats true creativity! The appeareance of form from nothingness of imaginations which becomes almost independent from its creator in its own right.
hmmm.. rather than independent I would fine tune it to say co-dependent; the creative forces made the art I just directed how and where it would reveal it's self. But I do understand what you are saying, I am having trouble putting it into words as words are very limited.
As for the Purgatory topic. I am reading through all the posts again to see if I could add anything new...
Right on!
peace,
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Peace Khalil, LoteTree, Zenje,
Khalil stated
my best friend expresses no interest in art, though is a real good person and that makes up for it.
Hmmm...perhaps he/she just needs to find the right medium for expression. My guess is your friend is really funny and creative when it comes to telling stories/jokes, etc. That's an artist waiting to bloom.
Thanks for the encouragement.
You're welcome.
I now believe that I will definitley become an art teacher (minor English) because it leaves me the least constrained, as well I get to help others.
Do it with all your heart and passion. Don't let doubt slow you down. Don't let anyone's opinions slow you down. And most cautiously, don't let reality dictate your passion. Just some friendly advice, from experience money comes and goes. We all need to make ends meet. But at the end of the day, you'll sleep better knowing you're doing something you love. The alternative is tortuous. I waited too long, and now I'm bogged down as life has got it's hooks in me. It makes it that much harder to get in the studio, to get back to making new tracks. I'm still gonna do it, but I should have done it when I was 18 with 1/10 of the responsibilities I have now.
in the Gobi Desert Taxi drivers work 106 hours a week-average, and only make $213 a month!! I thought this bit of knowledge may soothe the pain of working 60 hours a week.
thanks, I needed that wink
LoteTree stated
I am in the process of putting my thoughts in order regarding the Holographic Principle and omnijective reality. Discuss with you soon...
I'm looking forward to it. The only person who I can talk about it with works 7 days a week and I hardly get to see him.
Zenje stated
Tay, if you wish me to split the topic and create a new thread with some of the present posts... gimme a holler
No need bro. The thread will magically open up when the time is right. wink
Peace be upon you all,
Tay -
Hello All,
There are no clear Biblical references to Purgatory in Christianity. Purgatory is a doctrine invented by the Catholic Churches in later years. I think in Islam there is only a single verse, which relates to the time between Death and the Day of Judgement. This period is known as "Barzakh" in which the souls contemplate the nature of their earthly actions, and desire so much to be returned to earth again so that they may carry out good deeds to redeem themselves. But the request is denied.
I always wondered why this request is denied? If the soul knows it has done wrong then surely it should be allowed to atone for it? Even in our human laws we allow certain people to undergo "community" service as a form of punishment. Perhaps a similar principle could be applied on a spiritual level? I also wonder though - why souls would want to come to this "earth of sorrows" again? I am sure there would be a better way to do good deeds? But perhaps ?rightness? and ?wrongness? is somehow tied to this world of ours and therefore it is in this world that we could make any amends for our own mistakes?
But if there is a period of Purgatory then this place must be a timeless dimension from that of our own physical realm, a parallel universe as Tay suggested (even scientist these days speak of a multi-verse where infinite possibilities are played out), where souls could reflect and contemplate their deeds and actions of their earthly life, so that they can prepare themselves for their own judgement before their Creator. And yes, like Tay and Khalil, I believe that we judge ourselves. True punishment, I think is living with the consequences of our actions. That is why it will be up to us to judge ourselves. And my view is further strengthened by the fact that vast majority of NDE's, from all kinds of religious and cultural backgrounds, report that they were met by a ?Benevolent and Loving? being who did not judge them but rather allowed them to come to their own judgement. I think this is more ?just? than God imposing justice on us?
I like the idea of Karma, the laws of cause and effect. Karmic laws are impersonal and are more ?just?. You reap as you sow. There can be nothing personal about it. But if we are operating on a Karmic Principle ? is there a Final Judgement? And what would that Final Judgement be? I think Tay and Khalil are in agreement that Final Judgement is like turning on the light or unveiling the sculpture. Though I can agree with this view, but Tay said something on another thread that made me think. He said (I hope I am correct in this) that scripture speaks to the individual, and I agree with this. I have always viewed scripture as a ?dialogue? between the human Soul and the Divine. If that is the case, could the Final Judgement be a Final judgement based on the Individual rather than Final Judgement for the rest of Humanity all at once? If it is on an individual basis then I could say the Final Judgement is when the Individual is ready to stand before God?
?I must now ask you then, do you have any art for my eye's or ear's feast upon? As well, where have you set yourself towards for the future??
I am afraid due to family circumstances I have not been able to pursue art as career. I drifted into Computer Programming, which is not bad because I enjoy programming too and it also pays the bills. I have been dabbling with pencil drawing and oil paints but poetry is my main thing. But I don?t feel confident enough to post them yet but may be one day?It is my plan that when I become am financially ?secure? in life to do some kind of art degree. But it would be perhaps more like an Art, Literature, and History combined kind of degree?
Take care.
Regards,
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Peace,
I thought purgatory was basically in between heaven and hell rather than the period in the grave (not sure, but I think that comes from Hadiths). From my knowledge the people in the middle are granted paradise by Gods mercy, these people weren't evil nor were they believers or close to it. They are the people that many religious people say will never attain paradise but in the Quran we are told they do whereas the inhabitants of hell don't.
Nural
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Peace,
I thought purgatory was basically in between heaven and hell rather than the period in the grave (not sure, but I think that comes from Hadiths). From my knowledge the people in the middle are granted paradise by Gods mercy, these people weren't evil nor were they believers or close to it. They are the people that many religious people say will never attain paradise but in the Quran we are told they do whereas the inhabitants of hell don't.
Nural
Purgatory does not exist, it was an invention of the Catholic church to replace the re-defined hell. Before Dante, hell was seen as a waiting place after death. Since Dante changed the whole concept of hell for the early Christians (and everyone else) into a "fiery pit" the church then had to come up with a replacement - purgatory
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Well, I still think it exists.
Why?