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A Question About Jinns

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    Rami
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    No. Only for the Jews. It does say about the "uncircumcised" being welcomed

    From a pure Torah perspective, what is the obligations of the other nations in order to be blessed?

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      Rev_John
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      From a pure Torah perspective, what is the obligations of the other nations in order to be blessed?

      To believe in the one true God and adhere to his laws

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        Rami
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        To believe in the one true God and adhere to his laws

        What laws? What is the reference?

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          Rev_John
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          What laws? What is the reference?

          The 10 commandments

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            Rami
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            The 10 commandments

            Why did you strip these 10 out of the whole Torah??

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              afridi220
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              rotfl

              Misconception Rashad Khalifa was infallible.
              Truth Rashad Khalifa was fallible

              Fact the translation of those verses is not literal.
              Check other ones. The literal translation brings across the message way better.

              Fact orignially, he only wanted to translate the Quran for his family and himself, because he saw distortions in traditional translations - he wanted to make a monotheist translation - not a sectarian/traditionalist one. Then he discovered the numerical pattern.Peace

              So he discovered the numerical pattern by chance and decided to announce that he is a messanger? hmm

              Then what is wrong with anthony why not accepting him poor anthony

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                nsws1988
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                poor anthony

                '(

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                  Why did you strip these 10 out of the whole Torah??

                  6151 Say ?Come let me recite for you what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend.?

                  6152 ?And do not come near the money of the orphan, except for what is best, until he reaches his independence; and give honestly full measure and weight equitably. We do not burden a soul except by what it can bear, and if you speak then be just even if against a relative; and regarding the pledges made to God, you shall observe them. This He has enjoined you that you may remember.?

                  6153 And this is My path, a Straight One. ?So follow it, and do not follow the other paths lest they divert you from His path. That is what He has enjoined you to that you may be righteous.?

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                    6151 Say Come let me recite for you what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend.

                    6152 And do not come near the money of the orphan, except for what is best, until he reaches his independence; and give honestly full measure and weight equitably. We do not burden a soul except by what it can bear, and if you speak then be just even if against a relative; and regarding the pledges made to God, you shall observe them. This He has enjoined you that you may remember.

                    6153 And this is My path, a Straight One. So follow it, and do not follow the other paths lest they divert you from His path. That is what He has enjoined you to that you may be righteous.

                    Where is the Sabbath?!??

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                      MUNZIR_ALI
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                      So he discovered the numerical pattern by chance and decided to announce that he is a messanger? hmm

                      poor anthony

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                        Where is the Sabbath?!??

                        Peace Rami,

                        Forget about the Sabbath (whatever it means).

                        I believe that if one concentrates only on these simple instructions that are valid for all times, places and people, and uphold them, then it would more that enough to be on the safe side. No need to add any weird acrobatics, privations or "holy" practices.

                        Here are the same commands with more details

                        1722 Do not make with God another god, or you will find yourself disgraced, abandoned.

                        1723 And your Lord decreed that you shall not serve except Him, and do good to your parents. When one of them or both of them reach old age, do not say to them a word of disrespect nor raise your voice at them, but say to them a kind saying.

                        1724 And lower for them the wing of humility through mercy, and say ?My Lord, have mercy upon them as they have raised me when I was small.?

                        1725 Your Lord is fully aware of what is in your souls. If you are good, then He is to the obedient a Forgiver.

                        1726 And give the relative his due, and the poor, and the wayfarer; and do not waste excessively.

                        1727 Those who waste excessively are brothers to the devils, and the devil was to his Lord a rejecter.

                        1728 And if you turn away from them to seek a mercy from your Lord which you desire, then say to them a gentle saying.

                        1729 And do not make your hand stingy by holding it to your neck, nor shall you lay it fully open so you become in despair and regret.

                        1730 Your Lord lays out openly the provision for whom He wishes, and He is able to do so. He is Expert and Watcher to His servants.

                        1731 And do not kill your children out of fear of poverty; We shall provide for you and them. The killing of them was a big mistake.

                        1732 And do not come near adultery, for it is a sin and an evil path.

                        1733 And do not kill, for God has made this forbidden, except in the course of justice. And whoever is killed unjustly, then We have given his heir authority, so let him not transgress in the taking of a life, for He will be given victory.

                        1734 And do not come near the orphan?s money, except for that which is best, until he reaches his independence. And fulfill your oath, for the oath brings responsibility.

                        1735 And give full measure when you deal, and weigh with a balance that is straight. That is good and better in the end.

                        1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.

                        1737 And do not walk in the land arrogantly, for you will not penetrate the Earth, nor will you reach the mountains in height.

                        1738 All of this is bad, and disliked by your Lord.

                        1739 That is from what your Lord has inspired to you of the wisdom. And do not make with God another god, or you will be cast into Hell, blameworthy and regretting.

                        It is as simple as that.

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                          Rami
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                          What about the feasts and the holy house?

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                            Someone
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                            What about the feasts and the holy house?

                            Peace Rami,

                            The most important point is to uphold these commands. This is what will bring all the good to the person and the community.

                            After that, you can have feasts, houses.... but holy??? for what? and what makes a thing "holy"?

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                              Rami
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                              Peace Rami,

                              The most important point is to uphold these commands. This is what will bring all the good to the person and the community.

                              After that, you can have feasts, houses.... but holy??? for what? and what makes a thing "holy"?

                              'Holy' doesn't mean better but different. It's the special function that makes it 'holy'.

                              Agreed that to be a good person you have to follow the commandments but we are obligated with the Law and the Statutes.

                              What you are talking about is the Mitzva only or 'Al-Hikma-wisdom'.

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                                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                So he discovered the numerical pattern by chance and decided to announce that he is a messanger? hmm

                                I wouldnt say that he discovered it "by chance". MOre like God guided him to translate it and then he found the mathematical pattern/structure.

                                Did you know that (nearly) all Muslims were astounded by his findings. They praised him and wrote books about him. Ahmad Deedat wrote Al Quran The Miracle of Miracles. In fact the traditionalists only cut their relationships with Rashad Khalifa and the miracle when RK said that Hadith and Sunna are satanic innovations and that he is a messenger.

                                Do you think they only oppoed him because he declared himself as a messenger? No! They also/mostly opposed him because he was fighting against Hadith and Sunna and advocated the worship of God ALONE and the adherence/following of the Quran ALONE. Also because he called the Sunni/Shia prayer "idolatry" and he rightly said that mentioning other names beside God's in the contact prayer is idolatry.

                                I'll give you an example If I tell you "you suck and everthing you do is bad" while you know that I am successful, etc. etc. and make discoveries and so on, will you praise me? Will you think that my findings, works, accomplishments, sayings, etc. are good? Or will you attack/ignore/counter/argue/spread lies about me?

                                Take this example and compare it with the Rashad Khalifa vs. Traditionalists example. I'm sure you will see connections.

                                Then what is wrong with anthony why not accepting him poor anthony (

                                rotfl

                                Why are you not accepting him? laugh

                                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                  Rev_John
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                                  rotfl

                                  Why are you not accepting him? laugh

                                  Because he's nuts?

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                                    I wouldnt say that he discovered it "by chance". MOre like God guided him to translate it and then he found the mathematical pattern/structure.

                                    Did you know that (nearly) all Muslims were astounded by his findings. They praised him and wrote books about him. Ahmad Deedat wrote Al Quran The Miracle of Miracles. In fact the traditionalists only cut their relationships with Rashad Khalifa and the miracle when RK said that Hadith and Sunna are satanic innovations and that he is a messenger.

                                    Do you think they only oppoed him because he declared himself as a messenger? No! They also/mostly opposed him because he was fighting against Hadith and Sunna and advocated the worship of God ALONE and the adherence/following of the Quran ALONE. Also because he called the Sunni/Shia prayer "idolatry" and he rightly said that mentioning other names beside God's in the contact prayer is idolatry.

                                    I'll give you an example If I tell you "you suck and everthing you do is bad" while you know that I am successful, etc. etc. and make discoveries and so on, will you praise me? Will you think that my findings, works, accomplishments, sayings, etc. are good? Or will you attack/ignore/counter/argue/spread lies about me?

                                    Take this example and compare it with the Rashad Khalifa vs. Traditionalists example. I'm sure you will see connections.

                                    rotfl

                                    Why are you not accepting him? laugh

                                    Because he fails to deliver me a pizza eat

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                                      MUNZIR_ALI
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                                      Because he fails to deliver me a pizza eat

                                      eat rotfl

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                                        Rev_John
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                                        Because he fails to deliver me a pizza eat

                                        Pepperoni please. rotfl

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                                          nsws1988
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                                          Pepperoni please. rotfl

                                          Me too! yay ooooh and stuffed crust!

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