I have a question about al Quran
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Peace be upon my brothers and sisters in truth. I truly believe that God is as close to me as each breath that I take. It is God that sustains me. It is my strong belief that there is One God. As a Christian, without God, Jesus would not have been able to perform his mighty deeds. Jesus even refers to God as 'our God,' on many occasions. He is also called 'the Son of Man' on multiple occasions in the Gospels. I can understand Islam's view that Jesus was a great prophet, but not God the Son, within the trinity.
Islam has been a religion that I have been drawn towards for many years. However, the rituals and prostrations have been confusing and a barrier to me. It is my sincere belief that only God can cleanse me. I do not believe that following rituals bring us any closer to God. The one aspect of al Quran that vexes me is the fact that when the Archangel Jibreel provides the recitation to the Prophet, he refers to 'us' and 'we' and 'our' when referring to God, or the message given to Muhammed. I never understood this plural tense, given that Islam is the strictest of monotheistic religions. Islam condemns setting up partners with God. But how is it that Jibreel makes reference to a plurality? Is he referring to the angels?
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Peace be upon my brothers and sisters in truth. I truly believe that God is as close to me as each breath that I take. It is God that sustains me. It is my strong belief that there is One God. As a Christian, without God, Jesus would not have been able to perform his mighty deeds. Jesus even refers to God as 'our God,' on many occasions. He is also called 'the Son of Man' on multiple occasions in the Gospels. I can understand Islam's view that Jesus was a great prophet, but not God the Son, within the trinity.
I have to agree with you whole heartedly here, and with Islam.
Islam has been a religion that I have been drawn towards for many years. However, the rituals and prostrations have been confusing and a barrier to me. It is my sincere belief that only God can cleanse me. I do not believe that following rituals bring us any closer to God. The one aspect of al Quran that vexes me is the fact that when the Archangel Jibreel provides the recitation to the Prophet, he refers to 'us' and 'we' and 'our' when referring to God, or the message given to Muhammed. I never understood this plural tense, given that Islam is the strictest of monotheistic religions. Islam condemns setting up partners with God. But how is it that Jibreel makes reference to a plurality? Is he referring to the angels?
There are so may theories about the plurality in speech. It appears in the Bible too. I have no problem with it as I originally come from England and the Royal We is used often even by ordinary people "Give us a kiss" meaning "give me a kiss" etc. is normal.
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Peace Thomas,
Depending on the context sometimes it is the "royal we" referring to the one god, and sometimes it includes the controllers (malaika, mistakenly known as angels) in addition to the god.
Please see
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_majestatis
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeAlso this topic has been extensively discussed on this forum in the past. Some threads are
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14531.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597539.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9751.0 -
Peace Thomas,
Depending on the context sometimes it is the "royal we" referring to the one god, and sometimes it includes the controllers (malaika, mistakenly known as angels) in addition to the god.
Please see
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_majestatis
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeI know that the English translation of the Bible used the Royal "we" a lot due to the time it was translated and the acceptance that God was King of kings and Lord of all. I just wonder if the Quran did the same?
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Peace Thomas,
I have answered this question for you where you had the same question in this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598480.msg208767#msg208767 -
Peace Thomas,
I have answered this question for you where you had the same question in this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598480.msg208767#msg208767Thank you again. O0
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One more question...
Is it truly necessary to perform the contact prayers in the rigid formulation that is prescribed in al Quran?? If so, they for what reason, other than al Quran tells us to do it in such a manner.
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One more question...
Is it truly necessary to perform the contact prayers in the rigid formulation that is prescribed in al Quran?? If so, they for what reason, other than al Quran tells us to do it in such a manner.
http//www.free-minds.org/salat_edip
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http//www.free-minds.org/salat_edip
Thank you my brother. I will read this with great enthusiasm.
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As a former christian minister and bible teacher I can say with some confidence that the trinity was a later interpolation by the Catholic Church.
Secondly, since when did a religion have to appeal to your personal whims or fancies to be true or not?
This is why I left the christian church, because there are so many thousands of denominations who split off because they happen to not like a particular passage or want it to say something else than what it says.
Please do not try and contort Islam to your own fancies, with all due respect.
As I have been active here, people may have seen me be stern or even at times harsh, as now. Yet, I am very fervent in my beliefs and as evidenced by progressive and my talks, I will admit when I am wrong.
Religion is not what we want to make of it. A religion is supposed to mold us and make us better over time, and if we have a lot of work (feels like God rakes me over the coals daily over my thoughts/behaviours, lol) then we should take the hammering process because it will make us a better person in the end.
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As a former christian minister and bible teacher I can say with some confidence that the trinity was a later interpolation by the Catholic Church.
Secondly, since when did a religion have to appeal to your personal whims or fancies to be true or not?
This is why I left the christian church, because there are so many thousands of denominations who split off because they happen to not like a particular passage or want it to say something else than what it says.
Please do not try and contort Islam to your own fancies, with all due respect.
As I have been active here, people may have seen me be stern or even at times harsh, as now. Yet, I am very fervent in my beliefs and as evidenced by progressive and my talks, I will admit when I am wrong.
Religion is not what we want to make of it. A religion is supposed to mold us and make us better over time, and if we have a lot of work (feels like God rakes me over the coals daily over my thoughts/behaviours, lol) then we should take the hammering process because it will make us a better person in the end.
Thank you. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think that you are sensing my ambivalence. I am new and testing the waters. I have not made the final plunge, so to speak. For me, as a Christian, formality in religion is shunned so that it does not take over worship of God alone. This is a reason for my interest in learning if the prostrations during the Contact Prayers are necessary. O0
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Thank you. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think that you are sensing my ambivalence. I am new and testing the waters. I have not made the final plunge, so to speak. For me, as a Christian, formality in religion is shunned so that it does not take over worship of God alone. This is a reason for my interest in learning if the prostrations during the Contact Prayers are necessary. O0
I tend to believe all religions have done that. Christianity has without doubt right from about 300 AD. Islam has too, with Hadiths. If all the three Abrahamic religions could get back to their basics, there would be no difference between us.
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Thank you my brother. I will read this with great enthusiasm.
As a former christian minister and bible teacher I can say with some confidence that the trinity was a later interpolation by the Catholic Church.
yes bravo
http//www.sullivan-county.com/identity/trinity.htm
http//jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/trinity.htmlPeace