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Peace Ayman,
You say ?Please tell everyone how you can determine the number of years using day and night (not spacecrafts or other things not mentioned in 1712).?
I have already given you the answer in one of my previous post addressed to you (Reply #928 on July 27, 2009, 015557 PM). Here it is again
Here is an example of how you count a year (12 months) using days and nights. I will round the moon cycle to 29.5 days and then multiply it by 12 months to get 354 days. I keep count of days and when it reaches 354 days I mark it as a year. I have used both sun and the moon to calculate a year.
The earth takes 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds (365.242199 days) to make a full revolution around the sun.
The Quran says there are 12 Months.Now, you tell me the length of each month according to your definition?
Are you rushing to the classic Arabic dictionary for an answer. Don?t worry if there isn?t one, just make one up.
The example of small spacecraft landing on comet was given to demonstrate the accuracy of orbital calculation. The spacecraft orbit needs to be precisely calculated to collide with calculated orbital path of the comet. This was successful and that is extraordinary accomplishment. The take way from this is do not question the 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds (365.242199 days) cycle. I knew you wouldn?t get it. Why are you dealing with such a subject when you don?t even have the knowledge? It is like a blind performing brain surgery.
People like those who landed the spacecraft on the comet are trying to devise an accurate solar calendar for centuries without a success. It is a difficult job. You claim to have the solution. Why don?t you show us the reference point that you use for calculating your solar cycle. And remember you have constrain yourself to the units of day and night (nothing smaller). For example, if you say your start point is July 4 at certain earth position, you need to start the next cycle from the same position. No shifting reference allowed. How did the previous generation followed your approach? Don?t leave the solution to human observation. This will lead to other serious problems. Can you figure them out?
Your approach violates ?Quran is easy to understand? and ? religious duties are not meant to be a hardship on us? and many other Quranic verses.
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Here is an example of how you count a year (12 months) using days and nights. I will round the moon cycle to 29.5 days and then multiply it by 12 months to get 354 days. I keep count of days and when it reaches 354 days I mark it as a year. I have used both sun and the moon to calculate a year.
Salaam,
What is your starting point?
You made your end point clear (after 354 days), but where/when do you start the count from?
This is what is lacking in your definition.
Your decision to start your count is a manmade arbitrary decision and has nothing to do with the solar and/or lunar cycles. The count of the calender you are following started at a particular time. Am I right or wrong in saying that had that count started a year later, you would be waiting another 11 days to begin your fasting this year?
Or is there something divine about the time your calender started? And thus there is no questioning the authenticity of the 'start of count'?
Regards
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Peace Ramzi,
If you read the previous posts of me on this thread then you would have known what is going on.
Quote ?What is your starting point??
My calendar is based on lunar cycle.
Therefore, 1 month = 1 lunar cycle = 29.5 days
Quran says we have 12 months. Hence, my year is 12 lunar cycle = 354 days. I can use solar days to count 354 days.
This is God given system and I don?t have the 11 days problem.
The 11 day problem comes in when one use the solar cycle (365.2xxx days) to count year. Great minds of the world over the centuries have tried to implement an accurate solar based calendar but failed. This is indeed very hard problem to solve because it is a man made system. Therefore, there will always be error associate with this man made system. The length of months in this system has to be man made as well. Use of such system for religion purpose is contrary to Quranic verses. No such problem exists with the lunar system. It is very easy timing system coming from the Quran that is very easy to understand.
With the solar based timing system the reference will not be the same for the next cycle. You have shifting reference problem. Leap year and months of different lengths are used to compensate the error. And there is no verse in the Quran that says our timing system has to be in synch with the seasons. This is strictly a non religious problem and therefore the solution is man made and inaccurate.
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Peace Guest,
You say ?Please tell everyone how you can determine the number of years using day and night (not spacecrafts or other things not mentioned in 1712).?
I have already given you the answer in one of my previous post addressed to you (Reply #928 on July 27, 2009, 015557 PM). Here it is again
You are either a liar or you can't read. What you have given is not the answer to my question.
Here is an example of how you count a year (12 months) using days and nights. I will round the moon cycle to 29.5 days and then multiply it by 12 months to get 354 days. I keep count of days and when it reaches 354 days I mark it as a year. I have used both sun and the moon to calculate a year.
1712 ONLY talks about using the day and night to determine the number of years. Your answer is not the answer to how one can use ONLY the day and night to determine the number of years. What you are saying is a bunch of idiotic nonsense that nobody ever did to know the number of years either in the lunar or solar cycles.
The earth takes 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds (365.242199 days) to make a full revolution around the sun.
How do you know that using 1712? Please don't mindlessly copy and paste links and give us a straight answer or admit that you don't know this basic knowledge.
The Quran says there are 12 Months.
Now, you tell me the length of each month according to your definition?The word "month" is never mentioned in the great reading. The word "shahr" means "full-moon".
The example of small spacecraft landing on comet was given to demonstrate the accuracy of orbital calculation. The spacecraft orbit needs to be precisely calculated to collide with calculated orbital path of the comet. This was successful and that is extraordinary accomplishment. The take way from this is do not question the 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds (365.242199 days) cycle. I knew you wouldn?t get it. Why are you dealing with such a subject when you don?t even have the knowledge? It is like a blind performing brain surgery.
This is like talking to a 5 year old boy who is fascinated with spacecrafts and comets but is clueless about basic knoweldge.
People like those who landed the spacecraft on the comet are trying to devise an accurate solar calendar for centuries without a success. It is a difficult job. You claim to have the solution. Why don?t you show us the reference point that you use for calculating your solar cycle. And remember you have constrain yourself to the units of day and night (nothing smaller). For example, if you say your start point is July 4 at certain earth position, you need to start the next cycle from the same position. No shifting reference allowed. How did the previous generation followed your approach? Don?t leave the solution to human observation. This will lead to other serious problems. Can you figure them out?
Your approach violates ?Quran is easy to understand? and ? religious duties are not meant to be a hardship on us? and many other Quranic verses.It is not my solar cycle but since you gave me that honor then "my solar cycle" based on 1712 ALWAYS starts from the same exact position every single year and there is no shifting reference.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ramzi,
If you read the previous posts of me on this thread then you would have known what is going on.
Quote ?What is your starting point??
My calendar is based on lunar cycle.
Therefore, 1 month = 1 lunar cycle = 29.5 days
Quran says we have 12 months. Hence, my year is 12 lunar cycle = 354 days. I can use solar days to count 354 days.
This is God given system and I don?t have the 11 days problem.
Salaam and thanks for replying,
You assume I hadn't read any of your posts and you rush to regurgitate your statement again. I had read all your posts and decided to ask you the simple question which you did not answer.
My question What is your starting point?
Your answer My calender is based on lunar cycle, therefore 1 month....I understand your definition, so there is no need to repeat it. What I am saying is that your definition lacks a starting point? What is your starting point for this 'year' you have defined in so many of your posts?
The point is, based on your calender, 350 years from now, the time people will fast will depend on what that starting point was.
Let me repeat my question in another way
You say " I can use solar days to count 354 days"
OK, and when do you start this count of 354 days?
Do you agree that this 'start' is an arbitrary manmade decision?
Regards
Ramzi -
Peace Brothers and Sisters
Ramzi I congratulate you on a wonderful question. Its amazing that counting the moon cycles we need a reference point e.g. month 1 the month of Ramadan for example, when the Quran was sent down would have been a wonderful help. The only thing is that if we knew what season this happened we can probably vaguely pin point a reference point or if records where taken we would not be arguing now. However, as the lunar cycle is not connected to the seasons then we can possibly guess month 1 and start from that point on and count month 1, 2, 3 etc etc. Now I am not going to dispute with anyone here about if the lunar or solar or even the lunisolar is the correct system as my knowledge is limited in this area and I feel I need more study and understanding. However, I feel this debate is not moving on for many reasons
- People are not open minded to seek the truth, what ever that truth maybe.
- They are stuck with their ideologies and wont be shifted what ever the cost.
So answering Ramzi's question in a truthful way and back up with evidence will help this debate move on what ever the truth may be.
An example, when my grandfather was born no one actually recorded the date as they used to follow a lunar calander back in the isolated villages or the country for that matter. However, later the government required a surname and a proper record of everyones DOB. People did not have surnames back then, they were known by either their fathers nickname or first name. My grandfathers mother knew that he was born in a cold month so she picked a rough date that correlated to a particular month and said thats the one. Also she had to give a year, she obviously did not know and gave a random date which probably was out by 1 to 3 years. My point; to know when to celebrate something or count the years etc we need a start date e.g. month or day 1 or even zero. Otherwise picking a random date as a reference point and then trying to connect every other event to it is at the least out of sink. As a result, unless someone can say the lunar cycles started record from month zero and counted to this day is in sink then I really see no debate and we should go with it. However, if no one can come up with this start date then a reason should be given why they started at another date to call month zero.
Lets not blindly follow and look to search for the truth what ever it maybe. May God help us in our search and help us establish the correct system.
Peace
Hope
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Peace everyone,
Further, if we apply your definition ?The full moon of scorching heat?, we find that the scorching full moon of the southern hemisphere around January time-frame (perihelion) satisfies the definition. At this time the Earth is closest to the sun unlike the northern hemisphere aphelion (July 4). The problem is we don?t find Prophet Muhammad in the southern hemisphere. Hence, your theory proves that Quran was not reveled to Prophet Muhammad which in turns implies that the God is a liar. And that is not true. Therefore, your theory must be false.
The above in red is another lie by guest, therefore his conclusion is erroneous.
The changing of the seasons and the temperatures is due to the tilt of the Earth's axis, not its varying proximity to the sun.
Let's take a point in northern hemisphere which is at latitude 34 N, for example Los Angeles, USA. Let's take a point in southern hemisphere at the corresponding latitude of 34 S, for example Sydney, Australia. Now let's compare the average temperatures for the scorching full-moon after the summer solstice
Los Angeles July average temperatures (around aphelion)
82-85 degrees Fahrenheit
http//www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCQT/2009/7/30/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
Sydney January average temperatures (around perihelion)
77-78 degrees Fahrenheit
http//www.wunderground.com/history/airport/YSSY/2009/1/30/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
Clearly the scorching full-moon of northern hemisphere occurs at a hotter temperature in July than the scorching full-moon of southern hemisphere in January despite the earth being closer to the sun in January.
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Peace Ramzi,
You say ?You assume I hadn't read any of your posts and you rush to regurgitate your statement again. I had read all your posts and decided to ask you the simple question which you did not answer.?
This is my mistake and I am sorry about that.
You say ?What I am saying is that your definition lacks a starting point? What is your starting point for this 'year' you have defined in so many of your posts??
Starting point is irrelevant to me because in my reference frame it is independent religious duties. However, collectively we can agree on a starting point to deal with worldly matter. That is what Umar did. He did a good thing in my opinion. If you don?t like his start point then start your own calendar from the next new moon. After 12 moon cycles you will have a year. My fasting month of Ramadan is still the same in this new calendar. However, if you are analyzing this from another reference frame (e.g. solar based calendar) then you will run into issue of 11 days short per year and pose question like this ?The point is, based on your calender, 350 years from now, the time people will fast will depend on what that starting point was.? Please be consistent in your analysis.
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Peace truthseeker11,
Quote ?The changing of the seasons and the temperatures is due to the tilt of the Earth's axis, not its varying proximity to the sun.?
What a revelation. What took you so long to say it?
The perihelion distance is 91,445,000 miles and aphelion distance is 94,555,000. That is a difference of 3.11 million miles. It equates to about 5% more sunlight than NH summer. The interior land of Australian will have tremendous effect due the extra sun light.
By quoting average temperature you are not helping your buddy Ayman. He is talking about full moon of burning heat (single to a few days at most), not an average over many days.
According to data collected by the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA?s Aqua satellite Queensland, Australia, was the hottest place on Earth, with a temperature of 69.3 degrees C (157 degrees F). Please click the below link for details. The inland portion of Australia is very hot indeed.
http//earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=7149
Additional temperate data from different source
Marble Bar in Western Australia. For 161 consecutive days to 20 April 1924 the temperature in the town never dropped below 100?F (37.8?C).
However, the town of Cloncurry in northwest Queensland holds the record for the highest temperature in the shade ever recorded in Australia, at 53.1 ?C (127.5 ?F) on 16 January 1889.
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Peace Ayman,
Quote ?How do you know that using 1712? Please don't mindlessly copy and paste links and give us a straight answer or admit that you don't know this basic knowledge.?
Common sense and some measurement techniques is all you need to measure the 365.24xx cycle. The same techniques allowed us (human) to land spacecraft on comet. Do you get it?
Quote ?The word "month" is never mentioned in the great reading. The word "shahr" means "full-moon".?
See verse 936 - The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.
Quote ??..ALWAYS starts from the same exact position every single year and there is no shifting reference.?
Just show us how you fit subsequence 365.24xx cycle within your reference point without an error factor. You will become a famous man if you can do this.
It is not the length of the cycle I am questioning; it is the man made implementation of calendar using the said solar cycle. It is indeed a very hard problem. Don?t you get it, if the God wanted us to do this then he would have made the job easy for us. Just like the lunar calendar.
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Peace everyone,
The perihelion distance is 91,445,000 miles and aphelion distance is 94,555,000. That is a difference of 3.11 million miles. It equates to about 5% more sunlight than NH summer. The interior land of Australian will have tremendous effect due the extra sun light.
By quoting average temperature you are not helping your buddy Ayman. He is talking about full moon of burning heat (single to a few days at most), not an average over many days.
According to data collected by the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA?s Aqua satellite Queensland, Australia, was the hottest place on Earth, with a temperature of 69.3 degrees C (157 degrees F). Please click the below link for details. The inland portion of Australia is very hot indeed.
http//earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=7149
Additional temperate data from different source
Marble Bar in Western Australia. For 161 consecutive days to 20 April 1924 the temperature in the town never dropped below 100?F (37.8?C).
However, the town of Cloncurry in northwest Queensland holds the record for the highest temperature in the shade ever recorded in Australia, at 53.1 ?C (127.5 ?F) on 16 January 1889.
Guest has lost all credibility. What a bunch of lies and deception from him. Unbelievable.
FROM HIS OWN REFERENCED ARTICLE
"Where is the hottest place on Earth? According to MODIS, the hottest place in 2004 and 2005 was the Lut desert of Iran, which reached 70.7 degrees C (159 degrees F). In 2003, Queensland, Australia, was the hottest place on Earth, with a temperature of 69.3 degrees C (157 degrees F)."
NOTE HOW HE HID THE BOLDED PART FROM OTHERS IN HIS POST.
Where is the Lut desert of Iran? NORTHERN HEMISPHERE
Some more references
- http//hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/MichaelLevin.shtml
From the above
"Between 1960 and 1966, the highest average annual mean temperature in Dallol, Ethiopia was recorded at 94 ?F"
Where is Ethiopia? NORTHERN HEMISPHERE
"The hottest recorded temperature ever on earth was in Libya on September 13, 1922, which was 58 ?C"
Where is Libya? NORTHERN HEMISPHERE
- http//www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2001/20020524.htm
From the above
"Even thought the Sun's ray are most direct and closest to being overhead in the sub tropics at noon near the time of the solstice, it takes a while for the land, oceans and atmosphere to heat up. The Earth is about 3% closer to the Sun in December than in June, but since there's so much more water in the Southern Hemisphere, things don't usually heat up as quickly and to the same degree as in the Northern Hemisphere."
"hottest temperature ever recorded anywhere on the globe (136 F at Al' Aziziyah, Libya in September of 1922) occurred well before global warming was a buzzword, and despite the recent series of warm years, globally, these records have not seriously threatened."
- http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records
From the great reading
496 O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done.
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Peace
Starting point is irrelevant to me because in my reference frame it is independent religious duties. However, collectively we can agree on a starting point to deal with worldly matter. That is what Umar did. He did a good thing in my opinion. If you don?t like his start point then start your own calendar from the next new moon. After 12 moon cycles you will have a year. My fasting month of Ramadan is still the same in this new calendar. However, if you are analyzing this from another reference frame (e.g. solar based calendar) then you will run into issue of 11 days short per year and pose question like this ?The point is, based on your calender, 350 years from now, the time people will fast will depend on what that starting point was.? Please be consistent in your analysis.
You say a starting point is irrelevant. I would say it is very relevant. Let me put it in another way, who gave Umar authority to change the calander system? Did the count of the year begin with Hijra of the Prophet? Why? Was there a system used in the Prophets time? Why was it changed by Umar? To me its very arbitrary dates that have been selected based on specific historic events.
Some fact I found (correct me if I am wrong please)
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lunar calendar by 'Umar in 639 CE
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DEATH OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (pbuh), 632 CE
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7 years after the prophet had past away we change a system which is widely accepted by the muslims of the day.
Unfortunatly, many people of the day did not benefit from the free speech we have today. I wonder if they did, then questions might have been asked. But I bet they would have been squashed if they did question the system!?
The question still begs to be answered Why the need for change? Why did the Prophet not make this change before his death? Have we been mislead by the devil?
Peace
Hope
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Peace
Sorry its me again, just read this on a webpage
Forbidding Intercalary Months
In the ninth year after the Hijra, Allah revealed the prohibition of the intercalary month. This is expressed in the Qur'an (936-37)The number of months with Allah has been twelve months by Allah's ordinance since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Of these four are known as sacred; That is the straight usage, so do not wrong yourselves therein, and fight those who go astray.
This prohibition was repeated by prophet Muhammad during his last sermon on Mount Arafat which was delivered during his farewell pilgrimage to Mecca on 9 Dhu al-Hijja AH 10. The three successive holy months mentioned by prophet Muhammad are Dhu al-Qada, Dhu al-Hijja, and Muharram, thus excluding an intercalary month before Muharram. The single holy month is Rajab.
http//www.thinkersforum.org/The_Muslim_Lunar_Calendar_-_Overview.php
Can someone shed light on this? Is this true? If it is then many of our questions are answered.
Peace
Hope
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Dear guest ,
I am quoting one of my old posts , kindly go through it, I am sure it would help .
siki
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! lets assume for a while that > "Aliens abduct you, and take you to planet X ;D . There you lose all track of earth time. One day they decide to dump you back. You splash down, manage to swim out to a small deserted island with no one around.
You wanted to keep track of time , and most probably this is how you ended up doing.
You remembered God's words in his book for keeping time, and hence started to count days with the help of sun rise and set. You counted 30 days but then your month started from the day you arrived back on the planet. The only way to synchronise it with the rest of the mankind was, to take refernce of the moon. So you reset your count and started counting months with the help of moon. To begin with, for a strange reason you chose the waxing cresent which followed the sun and was barely visible in the refracting light of the setting sun (By the way the wanning cresent is much more distinct, because it is at dawn, and is opposite to the rising sun) You counted "12" as per God's commandment, for a year and then restarted , but then your year was not synchronised with the rest of the world. This method started your year when you arrived back on the planet (plus up to 28 days)
Over a period of a few years you noticed, that in your count of 12, once there was a full Moon, which was so distinct in colour that you couldn't miss it, and hence you reset your year count with the help of this Orange full moon.
As you started to count the year from this bright marker , your month count automatically began to start with Full Moon, and so was every month from then on. Over a period of time it dawned on you that it was easy to keep track of this bright full moon, and what a fool you were when you kept the count with waxing cresent.
(because in certain months you missed it and ended up having a count of 29 or sometimes 30-31 days, and every other month you had overcast and hence had no idea weather to start recounting or not whereas the bright full moon could still be noticed even in cloudy days when it started to rise soon afer sun set)
I sincerly hope that you realize the difference.
peace
siki
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@ siki
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what of I landed in August? I would have to wait for nearly a year to re-synchronize my calendar/time.
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I'd ask others in the first place or browse the i-net.
Another point I would like to make the 'fullmoon of scorching heat advoctors' always attack the traditionalists' approach of measuring time/counting months, etc. which is the sighting of the new moon. There is no need and place for that in God's system. We already know the timings of future lunar months through calculation and not sighting. So the whole attacking of the sighting of the moon is OK, but it isnt a valid arguement against the lunar calendar approach/advocators.
Peace
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Peace hope4,
Quote ?who gave Umar authority to change the calander system??
This is a baseless accusation without any valid evidence. Produce your evidence if you speak the truth. If you are 100% certain that you are speaking the truth then invoke the curse of Allah by saying ? If I am lying make my life hell in this world and on the day of judgment I will voluntarily enter hell for ever, also give me cancer of the worst kind if I am a liar."
Umar could not have change the length of the lunar cycle. Therefore, he did not change timing system. He used the same timing system as prophet Muhammad did. The only thing he possibly did (w.r.t. timing) was to start the Muslim calendar from hijra. There is nothing wrong with this.
Quote ?Why was it changed by Umar??
Another baseless accusation. Should this be the behavior of a righteous person?
You have to think a moment and realize that fixing an initial point does not change the length of lunar cycle. Timing system will change if someone can change the length of lunar cycle.
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Peace Guest,
You say ?What I am saying is that your definition lacks a starting point? What is your starting point for this 'year' you have defined in so many of your posts??
Starting point is irrelevant to me because in my reference frame it is independent religious duties. However, collectively we can agree on a starting point to deal with worldly matter. That is what Umar did. He did a good thing in my opinion. If you don?t like his start point then start your own calendar from the next new moon. After 12 moon cycles you will have a year. My fasting month of Ramadan is still the same in this new calendar. However, if you are analyzing this from another reference frame (e.g. solar based calendar) then you will run into issue of 11 days short per year and pose question like this ?The point is, based on your calender, 350 years from now, the time people will fast will depend on what that starting point was.? Please be consistent in your analysis.
Your arbitrary starting point and the order of your months is what will determine when your arbitrary Ramadhan occurs. If today is the crescent moon and you start your new year today and you conjecture that Ramadhan is the 9th month in your calendar then your Ramadhan will be 9 lunar months from today. If you start your calendar the next creascent then it will be 10 lunar months from today. If you started your calendar last crescent moon then your Ramadhan would be 8 lunar months from today, etc.
Also, the arbitrary order of months in your calendar will determine when Ramadhan occurs. So if Ramadhan was your third month then you would fast three months from today and so on. So whether you like it or not, your lunar calendar is 100% arbitrary. I am sure that anyone with a little bit of intelligence can see this indisputable fact. So it doesn't help your credibility when you keep arguing about such indisputable fact. People are going to think that either you are wasting everyone's time by playing dumb or, well, you are not playing.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Guest,
Quote ?How do you know that using 1712? Please don't mindlessly copy and paste links and give us a straight answer or admit that you don't know this basic knowledge.?
Common sense and some measurement techniques is all you need to measure the 365.24xx cycle. The same techniques allowed us (human) to land spacecraft on comet. Do you get it?
No, I don't get it. Please excuse my ignorance and show us your incredible intelligence by telling us this commone sense and measurement techniques that allows you to know this using 1712.
Quote ?The word "month" is never mentioned in the great reading. The word "shahr" means "full-moon".?
See verse 936 - The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.Oc course the parts in underline and bold in your translation are contradictory.
See verse 936 - The count of full-moons, as far as the god is concerned, is twelve. This has been the god's law, since the day he created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are restricted. This is the worthy obligation; you shall not wrong your souls (by violating the restriction) therein and fight those who set partners like they fight you, and know that the god is on the side of the righteous.
Quote ??..ALWAYS starts from the same exact position every single year and there is no shifting reference.?
Just show us how you fit subsequence 365.24xx cycle within your reference point without an error factor. You will become a famous man if you can do this.
It is not the length of the cycle I am questioning; it is the man made implementation of calendar using the said solar cycle. It is indeed a very hard problem. Don?t you get it, if the God wanted us to do this then he would have made the job easy for us. Just like the lunar calendar.
You do it using the perfect system given to us by the god in 1712. You use the day and night as you are clearly told in 1712. The year is the interval between the longest/shortest day/night and the next longest/shortest day/night. This system is a self-adjusting system that doesn't require any adjustment. I guess I am now a famous person. )
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace truthseeker11,
Quote ?NOTE HOW HE HID THE BOLDED PART FROM OTHERS IN HIS POST.?
Do you really think before you provide a response? If I wanted to hide the bolder part then I wouldn?t have given you the reference. I was refuting your average temperature claim between LA and Australia. The temperature coded color of Australia nullifies your claim.
Don?t forget Ayman?s theory requires the hottest temperature coincide with the full-moon. Arbitrary hot day is of no use. This is another serious flaw with Ayman?s concept i.e. heavy rain prior to the full-moon will reduce the temperature significantly which means you will have wait for another full moon with hotter temperature. It is also location dependent. And the problem goes on and on.
Quote ?The Earth is about 3% closer to the Sun in December than in June, but since there's so much more water in the Southern Hemisphere, things don't usually heat up as quickly and to the same degree as in the Northern Hemisphere."?
Again you proved that you are not thinking properly or are incapable of doing so. You are quoting an average generalized situation to mislead people. You failed to understand the rationale behind my saying that ?Interior portion of Australia?? This means the land will heat up rather quickly as it is far removed from the water. The water impact is negligible in certain region of Australia.
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Peace Ayman,
Qoute ???and the order of your months is what will determine when your arbitrary Ramadhan occurs.?
Why would I change the order of the months that Prophet Muhammad used? The order of the months was established firmly by the Prophet during his stay with was (previous generation) which we still follow. You are making a false accusation that Umar changed the order of the months without any valid evidence. Umar is the one who fought with the Prophet and not you. My innermost thoughts tell me that he didn?t abandon the Islam religion like you suggest using the example ?he changed the order of months?. Judging your logic from the contents of your posts, I would most certainly conclude it is you who we should be careful about. Suggesting such a drastic change during the time in question would be equivalent to asking for extreme punishment. Even a sane disbeliever wouldn?t dare do that.
Quote ?.. new year today and you conjecture that Ramadhan is the 9th month in your calendar then your Ramadhan will be 9 lunar months from today?
You think people are that dumb. What kind of mind and education do you have? I think it is something you would do though. If I am starting a new calendar from next new moon, I will call my first month Ramadan and by default it will become my new year.
Another extreme situation is this If a powerful disbelieving system takes over and change the calendar and order of the months, I will re-synch the new months with the known Ramadan month and continue my religious duties. It is easy (Elementary my dear Watson).