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Sura 105 AlFeel

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    bkanwar2
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    Peace Brother, since you asked. I will do it for all interested. But few words at a time for you to understand, verify and discuss further. As I believe this would be mutually beneficial.

    First word which is following first link from lane is for this. However, if we were to read it carefully. He says please refer to word as well which is on following page

    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000119.pdf
    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000267.pdf

    Having read both, In second page he further refers the readers to look up and in this discussion. While discussing on this second page, he further points out that is synonymous to . Please review word here and a page before and after this page cited in the link from Lane

    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000076.pdf

    http//www.ghazali.org/arabic/WrightArabicGrammarVol2.pdf

    Last page link is from W.Wright. If proper page doesn?t open please check pp 22-23 for . This is how I have conceptualized the meaning of this word to be verily, surely, truly and specially in this context. This would be enough reading and background for this to continue after the coming weekend for next word in the verse.

    Badar

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      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.112f.gif
      And this is the reason that We have declared for each and every Chosen and Elevated Servant of Allah as his enemy the evil ones amongst people and Jinns.
      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.112d.gif

      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.112e.gif
      Some of them inspire/communicate with others fascinating sayings, in deceitful manner.
      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.112b.gif
      And had it been the will of your Sustainer Lord they could not have done it for the first time/innovated.
      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.112c.gif
      Therefore, for that reason, You the Messenger may leave them and what they imaginatively innovate/fabricate fascinating sayings.

      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/006.%20Al%20Anaam%20C%20112-165.htm

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        Dear Brother Prince and all intrested ones. Were you able to find out meanings of this first word under discussion as Verily, surely. There are several meanings that are possible for this word as you may have realised. I debated beyween two the most. One that I have used Verily vs. Remember. My reason of choice was more based on what is being said in verse. However, since Quranic text is a continues text. The meanings may depend on what is said in verses before. Which I am working now. I mzay change this depending upon what I understand the theme of verses before is later on.

        However, for now I am just curious enough to find out. If anybody went through above referance pages and was able to find meaning words used? This is in order to help me decide, how more explicit I need to be in my explanations?

        Peace

        Badar

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          From lack of response, can I assume that all interested ones were able to find meanings of this first word as Verily, surely and truly? If so may I proceed with next words?

          Badar

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            Prince
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            From lack of response, can I assume that all interested ones were able to find meanings of this first word as Verily, surely and truly? If so may I proceed with next words?

            Badar

            Sorry for the delayed response. Can you please continue with the full explanation rather than word for word as it would take a very long time replying back n forth.

            PEACE

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              bkanwar2
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              Just to continue next word is this word in my humble opinion should be and is missing its teshdeed.

              This word means recourse to utmost effort, or endeavor,

              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000337.pdf

              For next word in the verse; I would suggest that you all please review my discussions about principles of Jezm, Sukoon and teshdeed done on this forum over last several months.

              The word is combination of two words due to Jezm, meaning ?he dreaded the thing and abstained from it through cowardice? and is used in place of personal pronoun
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              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000166.pdf
              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume6/00000105.pdf

              Badar

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                bkanwar2
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                For next word which is ,I would like to request all interested readers to please read in this order on first link, followed by on second link and lastly . This will give you an idea why I chose meanings ?excelled like a stallion in a herd?

                http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000066.pdf
                http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume6/00000204.pdf
                http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000456.pdf

                To continue, hope you are following the references.

                Badar

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                  Next so called word, is a combination of and personal pronoun . Please see links in order below.

                  http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume3/00000168.pdf
                  and few pages after this one

                  http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume7/00000109.pdf

                  To be continued.

                  Badar

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                    Continued from the pervious post. The next word in order is it is a combination of preposition , followed by word a word with hamza (I can not type hemza over alif with key board I am using) followed by plural of root , with a Jezm on suggesting first Alif with Hemza is not part of word . Although, E. Lane seems suggesting it differently. Anybody with advance Arabic knowledge should be able to understand what I am saying. Otherwise, if desired, I shall explain it as well.

                    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000376.pdf
                    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000377.pdf
                    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000178.pdf
                    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000179.pdf
                    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000180.pdf
                    http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000181.pdf

                    Badar

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                      Now here comes the counter punch to Hadathy punch to the message of Rubb. This Sura is one of several biggest Hadathy punchs, as nobody can tell meanings without history and Hadath. Next word in order is this word in some Quranic text one would find with two Jezms. First Jezm on Lam of Al followed by another one on Yaa of Feel. However, in some texts one finds Feel without the second Jezm on Yaa. I agree with the text where it is written with second Jezm on Yaa. However, this is a mater of discussion by itself, hence not appropriate at this time and place. When purpose is to show, how I am deriving my meanings? To continue please read the link here from Lane very carefully. The word implying an elephant is an Arabizised word of Persian, spelled as Peel. However, meaning of Arabic word feel is at the start in following link, please read with care.

                      To all inquirers, please tell me doesn't it become apparent to you that Rubb is keping up his promises. 1. He will preserve his message. Does it not appear preserved to you. 2. It is easy to understand. The answer to this is, if an illiterate (meaning illiterate with language of Quran) like myself, can understand it; than everyone is capable of understanding it, provided one wants to and strive for it.

                      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume6/00000258.pdf

                      Badar

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                        bkanwar2
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                        Dear brother Prince and All, would you like me to continue further this word by word analysis? Or we are okay now.

                        Badar

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                          Prince
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                          Please continue.

                          Would be interesting if those who are fluent in arabic can put their input into this topic.

                          PEACE

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                            Sure brother as time permits. I shall continue this word by word explanation. I fully second your request for input and critique. But please no personal attacks or oppressive responses. Only discuss subject on hand on its merits. The subject of discussion being, "Understanding of the message on linguistic basis"

                            Badar

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                              Dear brother Prince, I am going to jump ahead. This due brother Herbman asking a question.

                              Dear Herbman. I will tell you first how I arrived the understanding in my translation of Al-Fil. Subsequently I will share with you that due increasing understanding of language everyday. Why now I understand it to be incorrect.

                              The word initially I translated as combination of two. and . Where is of comparison and for root I used meaning as ?you be quick and swift in incline and decline?. Please see links below.

                              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000252.pdf

                              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000348.pdf

                              However, since I worked on AL-Asr. I understand above to be incorrect. This is based on presence of a Jezm on Sad. Hence I understand that word is a combination of three not two. First is as above, root followed by used as personal pronoun instead of as I described in first verse. More later.

                              Badar

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