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    Rev_John
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    I live in the "Disneyland with the death penalty", Singapore, Rev.John. Our version of the secret service likes to detain people they suspect, no questions asked, no trials. We have this thing call the Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act that recently sent a Christian couple caught distributing Chick tracts to jail.

    That is dreadful. o I always thought that Singapore was a quiet peaceful country, or am I living in the past?

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      MUNZIR_ALI
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      are you FBI hmm

      i'm CIA police

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        MUNZIR_ALI
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        Just out of curiosity, are most God-alone Muslims in Islamic dominated countries or in Christian/other dominated countries?

        I think there are few god alone muslims in maldives! including me and my father! muscle

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          srotu
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          Singapore IS very peaceful. You can walk around at night with no trouble unless you go to 'bad' neighbourhoods like maybe where the brothels are but even those are okay as long as you don't do anything stupid. Crime rate is very low because the laws are very strict, some would call draconian. Canings on the derri?re is still employed for certain sentences.

          It's a "Brave New World" type of peace I guess. In a way.

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            Rev_John
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            Singapore IS very peaceful. You can walk around at night with no trouble unless you go to 'bad' neighbourhoods like maybe where the brothels are but even those are okay as long as you don't do anything stupid. Crime rate is very low because the laws are very strict, some would call draconian. Canings on the derri?re is still employed for certain sentences.

            It's a "Brave New World" type of peace I guess. In a way.

            It is good that the crime rate is low. It is very high here.

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              MUNZIR_ALI
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              It is good that the crime rate is low. It is very high here.

              In maldives there are no Guns available for common people! But there are lots of street fights(gangs) and some people get killed! (

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                Rev_John
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                In maldives there are no Guns available for common people! But there are lots of street fights(gangs) and some people get killed! (

                Everyone here has a gun

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                  Wakas
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                  Just out of curiosity, are most God-alone Muslims in Islamic dominated countries or in Christian/other dominated countries?

                  From my experience, what I read etc. there are thousands in certain countries, e.g. Egypt, Pakistan, Malaysia, USA. In some so-called "Muslim/Islamic" countries, it is likely that many do not publicly air their views. It is on the rise however.

                  In fact, the majority of Muslims that I have spoken to in the UK are not fans of Traditional Ahadith, but do not realise the extent to which non-Quranic sources have influenced islam and its practice. Most openly acknowledge some Traditional Ahadith are nonsense.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    Rev_John
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                    From my experience, what I read etc. there are thousands in certain countries, e.g. Egypt, Pakistan, Malaysia, USA. In some so-called "Muslim/Islamic" countries, it is likely that many do not publicly air their views. It is on the rise however.

                    In fact, the majority of Muslims that I have spoken to in the UK are not fans of Traditional Ahadith, but do not realise the extent to which non-Quranic sources have influenced islam and its practice. Most openly acknowledge some Traditional Ahadith are nonsense.

                    That is a good thing, I hope more of them reject these traditional views and become God-alone Muslims, as this can only help in my quest to make Christians God-alone and bring the two together.

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                      Alen
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                      Just out of curiosity, are most God-alone Muslims in Islamic dominated countries or in Christian/other dominated countries?

                      Peace,
                      Respectfully.

                      I thought that in Slovenia only my bro and i were the only ones who followed The Quran and nothing else. I still think that because Slovenia has 2,000,000 people and they are mostly Catholics and 47.000 sunnis, few of them practice Islamic diuties and even fewer practice sunnah and exercise hadith.

                      But none of them are dangerous or fanatics.

                      Peace.

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                        Rev_John
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                        Peace,
                        Respectfully.

                        I thought that in Slovenia only my bro and i were the only ones who followed The Quran and nothing else. I still think that because Slovenia has 2,000,000 people and they are mostly Catholics and 47.000 sunnis, few of them practice Islamic diuties and even fewer practice sunnah and exercise hadith.

                        But none of them are dangerous or fanatics.

                        Peace.

                        That is a good thing that they are not dangerous

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                          Alen
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                          That is a good thing that they are not dangerous

                          Peace,
                          Respectfully.

                          Well, communism has been washing their brain cells from 1945 until 1991, so these sunnis are so harmless as a butterfly.
                          Of course, they should be reading The Quran but since Slovenia is not a multicultural country and its capital - Ljubljana - is not a multicultural city, there is nothing one person can do.

                          Peace.

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                            Rev_John
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                            Peace,
                            Respectfully.

                            Well, communism has been washing their brain cells from 1945 until 1991, so these sunnis are so harmless as a butterfly.
                            Of course, they should be reading The Quran but since Slovenia is not a multicultural country and its capital - Ljubljana - is not a multicultural city, there is nothing one person can do.

                            Peace.

                            Are things improving since the fall of communism there?

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                              From my experience, what I read etc. there are thousands in certain countries, e.g. Egypt, Pakistan, Malaysia, USA. In some so-called "Muslim/Islamic" countries, it is likely that many do not publicly air their views. It is on the rise however.

                              In fact, the majority of Muslims that I have spoken to in the UK are not fans of Traditional Ahadith, but do not realise the extent to which non-Quranic sources have influenced islam and its practice. Most openly acknowledge some Traditional Ahadith are nonsense.

                              Peace everyone

                              From experience I dont reveal to people that I am a Quran alone submitter. That is if they ask then I tell them. So far I told my dad and he said "dont you go and get brain washed." Told my wife she is sort of half for and half against, she still carries on Islam the way she was taught but can see some logic in what I have pointed out to her. I must say I do not force anyone to accept the path I have chosen, I just point them to the Quran and let them be guided. I generally try to keep myself to myself, but I am aware that our duty is to spread the message, but until I have educated myself enough, then its best to keep my thoughts to myself as well as my beliefs.

                              Peace

                              Hope

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                                aynur
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                                Peace everyone

                                From experience I dont reveal to people that I am a Quran alone submitter. That is if they ask then I tell them. So far I told my dad and he said "dont you go and get brain washed." Told my wife she is sort of half for and half against, she still carries on Islam the way she was taught but can see some logic in what I have pointed out to her. I must say I do not force anyone to accept the path I have chosen, I just point them to the Quran and let them be guided. I generally try to keep myself to myself, but I am aware that our duty is to spread the message, but until I have educated myself enough, then its best to keep my thoughts to myself as well as my beliefs.

                                Peace

                                Hope

                                Peace.
                                That's the way I am too.
                                I know my husband says he doesn't really believe in the hadiths, but he says it's dangerous to discard them. I point out the ones the contradict the Qur'an and stress the fact that they should NOT be overriding it.
                                He has said numerous times that I'm "on the wrong path". No, I don't believe that I am. I've never been more sure of anything in my whole life.
                                I don't push him, but if he asks me something I'll explain my reasoning. I also try not to talk about something if I'm not sure of my reasoning, even if I'm sure of something I need to have a good explanation behind it before I try to convince someone.

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                                  Rev_John
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                                  Peace.
                                  That's the way I am too.
                                  I know my husband says he doesn't really believe in the hadiths, but he says it's dangerous to discard them. I point out the ones the contradict the Qur'an and stress the fact that they should NOT be overriding it.
                                  He has said numerous times that I'm "on the wrong path". No, I don't believe that I am. I've never been more sure of anything in my whole life.
                                  I don't push him, but if he asks me something I'll explain my reasoning. I also try not to talk about something if I'm not sure of my reasoning, even if I'm sure of something I need to have a good explanation behind it before I try to convince someone.

                                  I am the same with Christianity. As a God-alone Christian, I just "know" I am on the right path and the traditional Christian churches are heading in the wrong direction. But trying to explain it to them is like banging your head on a brick wall. brickwall

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                                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                                    From my experience, what I read etc. there are thousands in certain countries, e.g. Egypt, Pakistan, Malaysia, USA. In some so-called "Muslim/Islamic" countries, it is likely that many do not publicly air their views. It is on the rise however.

                                    In fact, the majority of Muslims that I have spoken to in the UK are not fans of Traditional Ahadith, but do not realise the extent to which non-Quranic sources have influenced islam and its practice. Most openly acknowledge some Traditional Ahadith are nonsense.

                                    When I explain people about God alone and contradictions in the hadhis, some people believe me, But are afraid and get even more confused! Others call me rude names and label me as an apostate! )

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                                      spiked
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                                      I live in the "Disneyland with the death penalty", Singapore, Rev.John. Our version of the secret service likes to detain people they suspect, no questions asked, no trials. We have this thing call the Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act that recently sent a Christian couple caught distributing Chick tracts to jail.

                                      I'm from Singapore too, and the only one I know who is God Alone is my wife. She was a Sunni, but after 2 years of marriage she is now God alone. All this after I encourage her to read the quran and to think for herself. She now reads the quran almost every day and reject the hadiths.

                                      Some of my Sunni friends know my status and they are fine with it. We're the best of friends group

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                                        Bigmo
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                                        What is takfirism, Bigmo?

                                        Labelling others as kaffirs, mushriks, enemies of God and so on.

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                                          Rev_John
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                                          I'm from Singapore too, and the only one I know who is God Alone is my wife. She was a Sunni, but after 2 years of marriage she is now God alone. All this after I encourage her to read the quran and to think for herself. She now reads the quran almost every day and reject the hadiths.

                                          Some of my Sunni friends know my status and they are fine with it. We're the best of friends group

                                          So not all Sunnis are bad then. That is good

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