God-Alone
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From my experience, what I read etc. there are thousands in certain countries, e.g. Egypt, Pakistan, Malaysia, USA. In some so-called "Muslim/Islamic" countries, it is likely that many do not publicly air their views. It is on the rise however.
In fact, the majority of Muslims that I have spoken to in the UK are not fans of Traditional Ahadith, but do not realise the extent to which non-Quranic sources have influenced islam and its practice. Most openly acknowledge some Traditional Ahadith are nonsense.
That is a good thing, I hope more of them reject these traditional views and become God-alone Muslims, as this can only help in my quest to make Christians God-alone and bring the two together.
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Just out of curiosity, are most God-alone Muslims in Islamic dominated countries or in Christian/other dominated countries?
Peace,
Respectfully.I thought that in Slovenia only my bro and i were the only ones who followed The Quran and nothing else. I still think that because Slovenia has 2,000,000 people and they are mostly Catholics and 47.000 sunnis, few of them practice Islamic diuties and even fewer practice sunnah and exercise hadith.
But none of them are dangerous or fanatics.
Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.I thought that in Slovenia only my bro and i were the only ones who followed The Quran and nothing else. I still think that because Slovenia has 2,000,000 people and they are mostly Catholics and 47.000 sunnis, few of them practice Islamic diuties and even fewer practice sunnah and exercise hadith.
But none of them are dangerous or fanatics.
Peace.
That is a good thing that they are not dangerous
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That is a good thing that they are not dangerous
Peace,
Respectfully.Well, communism has been washing their brain cells from 1945 until 1991, so these sunnis are so harmless as a butterfly.
Of course, they should be reading The Quran but since Slovenia is not a multicultural country and its capital - Ljubljana - is not a multicultural city, there is nothing one person can do.Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.Well, communism has been washing their brain cells from 1945 until 1991, so these sunnis are so harmless as a butterfly.
Of course, they should be reading The Quran but since Slovenia is not a multicultural country and its capital - Ljubljana - is not a multicultural city, there is nothing one person can do.Peace.
Are things improving since the fall of communism there?
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From my experience, what I read etc. there are thousands in certain countries, e.g. Egypt, Pakistan, Malaysia, USA. In some so-called "Muslim/Islamic" countries, it is likely that many do not publicly air their views. It is on the rise however.
In fact, the majority of Muslims that I have spoken to in the UK are not fans of Traditional Ahadith, but do not realise the extent to which non-Quranic sources have influenced islam and its practice. Most openly acknowledge some Traditional Ahadith are nonsense.
Peace everyone
From experience I dont reveal to people that I am a Quran alone submitter. That is if they ask then I tell them. So far I told my dad and he said "dont you go and get brain washed." Told my wife she is sort of half for and half against, she still carries on Islam the way she was taught but can see some logic in what I have pointed out to her. I must say I do not force anyone to accept the path I have chosen, I just point them to the Quran and let them be guided. I generally try to keep myself to myself, but I am aware that our duty is to spread the message, but until I have educated myself enough, then its best to keep my thoughts to myself as well as my beliefs.
Peace
Hope
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Peace everyone
From experience I dont reveal to people that I am a Quran alone submitter. That is if they ask then I tell them. So far I told my dad and he said "dont you go and get brain washed." Told my wife she is sort of half for and half against, she still carries on Islam the way she was taught but can see some logic in what I have pointed out to her. I must say I do not force anyone to accept the path I have chosen, I just point them to the Quran and let them be guided. I generally try to keep myself to myself, but I am aware that our duty is to spread the message, but until I have educated myself enough, then its best to keep my thoughts to myself as well as my beliefs.
Peace
Hope
Peace.
That's the way I am too.
I know my husband says he doesn't really believe in the hadiths, but he says it's dangerous to discard them. I point out the ones the contradict the Qur'an and stress the fact that they should NOT be overriding it.
He has said numerous times that I'm "on the wrong path". No, I don't believe that I am. I've never been more sure of anything in my whole life.
I don't push him, but if he asks me something I'll explain my reasoning. I also try not to talk about something if I'm not sure of my reasoning, even if I'm sure of something I need to have a good explanation behind it before I try to convince someone. -
Peace.
That's the way I am too.
I know my husband says he doesn't really believe in the hadiths, but he says it's dangerous to discard them. I point out the ones the contradict the Qur'an and stress the fact that they should NOT be overriding it.
He has said numerous times that I'm "on the wrong path". No, I don't believe that I am. I've never been more sure of anything in my whole life.
I don't push him, but if he asks me something I'll explain my reasoning. I also try not to talk about something if I'm not sure of my reasoning, even if I'm sure of something I need to have a good explanation behind it before I try to convince someone.I am the same with Christianity. As a God-alone Christian, I just "know" I am on the right path and the traditional Christian churches are heading in the wrong direction. But trying to explain it to them is like banging your head on a brick wall. brickwall
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From my experience, what I read etc. there are thousands in certain countries, e.g. Egypt, Pakistan, Malaysia, USA. In some so-called "Muslim/Islamic" countries, it is likely that many do not publicly air their views. It is on the rise however.
In fact, the majority of Muslims that I have spoken to in the UK are not fans of Traditional Ahadith, but do not realise the extent to which non-Quranic sources have influenced islam and its practice. Most openly acknowledge some Traditional Ahadith are nonsense.
When I explain people about God alone and contradictions in the hadhis, some people believe me, But are afraid and get even more confused! Others call me rude names and label me as an apostate! )
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I live in the "Disneyland with the death penalty", Singapore, Rev.John. Our version of the secret service likes to detain people they suspect, no questions asked, no trials. We have this thing call the Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act that recently sent a Christian couple caught distributing Chick tracts to jail.
I'm from Singapore too, and the only one I know who is God Alone is my wife. She was a Sunni, but after 2 years of marriage she is now God alone. All this after I encourage her to read the quran and to think for herself. She now reads the quran almost every day and reject the hadiths.
Some of my Sunni friends know my status and they are fine with it. We're the best of friends group
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I'm from Singapore too, and the only one I know who is God Alone is my wife. She was a Sunni, but after 2 years of marriage she is now God alone. All this after I encourage her to read the quran and to think for herself. She now reads the quran almost every day and reject the hadiths.
Some of my Sunni friends know my status and they are fine with it. We're the best of friends group
So not all Sunnis are bad then. That is good
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"Not all sunnis are bad" should actually be "not all people who claim to be sunni are true sunnis"
Because true sunni's are bad. If they truly live by the hadith (which is impossible since it contradicts itself even in one slight aspect) then they would be doing MANY things which makes it impossible for them not to be bad, i.e. stoning people or killing them because they left their satanic cultish sect.
Case in point, the sunnis that respect the above married spouses for who they are are not true sunni's. If they've heard that they "used to be sunni" and now are "God-alone, Quran alone" if they are true sunnis (shayateen) then they would kill them, like that.
And wow, this thread got two pages filled in like a day. Nice...
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"Not all sunnis are bad" should actually be "not all people who claim to be sunni are true sunnis"
Because true sunni's are bad. If they truly live by the hadith (which is impossible since it contradicts itself even in one slight aspect) then they would be doing MANY things which makes it impossible for them not to be bad, i.e. stoning people or killing them because they left their satanic cultish sect.
Case in point, the sunnis that respect the above married spouses for who they are are not true sunni's. If they've heard that they "used to be sunni" and now are "God-alone, Quran alone" if they are true sunnis (shayateen) then they would kill them, like that.
And wow, this thread got two pages filled in like a day. Nice...
Wow! wow I see what you mean
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"Not all sunnis are bad" should actually be "not all people who claim to be sunni are true sunnis"
Because true sunni's are bad. If they truly live by the hadith (which is impossible since it contradicts itself even in one slight aspect) then they would be doing MANY things which makes it impossible for them not to be bad, i.e. stoning people or killing them because they left their satanic cultish sect.
Case in point, the sunnis that respect the above married spouses for who they are are not true sunni's. If they've heard that they "used to be sunni" and now are "God-alone, Quran alone" if they are true sunnis (shayateen) then they would kill them, like that.
And wow, this thread got two pages filled in like a day. Nice...
peace,
Respectfully.I just came from hard day's work and i must say as soon as i read this i laughed and keep in mind i'm in a place where lauighing is a little restricted. I'm in the library.
But i agree, the real sunnis are whabis and three of them made threats to me to terminate my life, they also said that in a way that was loaded with pride, arrogance, power and evilness.
Forget Chucky, Terminator, T-1000, T-X, agent Smith, Freddy, Jason Voorhees, Mike Myers, queen from ID4, .... wahabis are the worst of the worst or the worst into infinity. I'm telling ya, thes epeople should be banned from this country because they are abusing the system here.
Peace.
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peace,
Respectfully.I just came from hard day's work and i must say as soon as i read this i laughed and keep in mind i'm in a place where lauighing is a little restricted. I'm in the library.
But i agree, the real sunnis are whabis and three of them made threats to me to terminate my life, they also said that in a way that was loaded with pride, arrogance, power and evilness.
Forget Chucky, Terminator, T-1000, T-X, agent Smith, Freddy, Jason Voorhees, Mike Myers, queen from ID4, .... wahabis are the worst of the worst or the worst into infinity. I'm telling ya, thes epeople should be banned from this country because they are abusing the system here.
Peace.
Be careful. We don't want you murdered
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But i agree, the real sunnis are whabis and three of them made threats to me to terminate my life, they also said that in a way that was loaded with pride, arrogance, power and evilness.
Wahabbis are quite similar to the medieval catholic fanatics..
I'm too been 'invited' to an 'inquisition session' (although they called it a 'discussion session' by a group wahabbis, upon hearing some of my sayings/opinion about the hadiths from an acquittance of mine.The only difference is The wahabbis are much worse!
Salam / Peace
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Wahabbis are quite similar to the medieval catholic fanatics..
I'm too been 'invited' to an 'inquisition session' (although they called it a 'discussion session' by a group wahabbis, upon hearing some of my sayings/opinion about the hadiths from an acquittance of mine.The only difference is The wahabbis are much worse!
Salam / Peace
You need to be careful too. There are fanatics everywhere.
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So not all Sunnis are bad then. That is good
yes but wahabis are getting more attention nowadays in my country!!! brickwall
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...I didn't know that what I said was going to derive that much attention rotfl after all...my rebuttals thread in the hadith forum is almost totally ignored except by two people
As for the person who says whabis are like the old Christian monks and punks, yer right http//pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/hadith-plagiarized-from-the-bible/
Not that much to read...hopefully ;D and I'm just talking about the bottom part, chapter 3 of that article.
CHAPTER 3 THE AHLUS SUNNAH?S DEATH SENTENCE FOR APOSTATES IS STOLEN FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE NOT FROM THE QURAN
The Sharia Law of the Ahlus Sunnah has codified the Hudood Offences which includes the offence of apostasy or irtidaa which according to them is punishable by death. Under the Hudood Punishments of the Shariah Laws an apostate or murtad must be killed.
There is no punishment for apostasy in the Quran. According to GOD and the Prophet in the Quran a person can jump into and out of belief. Here is the verse from the Quran that proves it
Surah 4137 ?Surely those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, GOD will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path?.
If we believe in GOD we are guided. If we do not believe in GOD, GOD will deal with us in the Hereafter. This is what the Prophet has taught us. In the Quran there is no prescribed temporal punishment for the apostate, other than his fate rests with GOD.
But where does the Ahlul Sunnah belief that the apostate must be killed come from ? It comes from the Christian Bible. This very dangerous and evil belief that the apostate must be killed has created too much bloodshed and division among the ummah over the past centuries.
?You are out of the fold therefore your blood is halal? has been the battle cry of too many lost souls which has destroyed too many nations in the past.
In many Ahlul Sunnah countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Malaysia ? if you are NOT a follower of the accepted mainstream Ahlul Sunnah sect you can be jailed and fined. In Saudi Arabia the Shiahs are discriminated against. In Pakistan from time to time the Shiahs are just shot and killed by the Ahlul Sunnah. Of course the Shiahs also return the affection from time to time.
The false belief among the Ahlul Sunnah that they must punish apostates has no basis in the Quran. It is another false Ahlul Sunnah belief stolen from the Christian Bible and then passed off as the teaching of the Prophet, sunnah of the Prophet etc. Here is the source of this false teaching from the Bible
Leviticus 2416
?Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him. The alien as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.
Here according to the book of Leviticus in the Bible anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death. He shall be stoned to death. Here is more of this ?let?s kill the apostates? insanity from the Christian Bible
Deuteronomy135
?But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the LORD your GOD who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the LORD your GOD commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.
According to the Bible anyone who thinks differently (dreamer of dreams) shall be killed. This is the real teaching of the Christian Bible. Just kill people who do not wish to believe like you anymore. Here is yet more killing from the Bible
Deuteronomy 136 ? 10
?If your brother, your mother?s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ?Let us go and serve other gods? you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. ?But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. ?So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your GOD who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
So this is what the Bible says. Those who blaspheme the name of the Lord, those who are ?dreamers of dreams?, those who tell you to serve other gods must all be put to death. And the ulema or the priests shall have the final say in deciding what exactly is blasphemy, who exactly is a dreamer of dreams, what exactly is ?enticing you? etc. If the ulema say you are outside their ?aqeedah? then you can be killed.
Anyway this is NOT the teaching of Islam, GOD or the Prophet. GOD never revealed anything like this to the Prophet. Instead GOD and the Prophet are very clear about what to do with those who switch from belief to unbelief then back to belief and then to unbelief again.
Surely those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, GOD will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path.
One needs to be constantly alive to jump in and out of belief like this. The Quran allows this freedom of belief and disbelief but such a person who persists in disbelief will of course never be forgiven by GOD. There is no temporal punishment prescribed anywhere in the Quran for rejecting belief. This evil and barbaric punishment of death for apostates is stolen from the Christian Bible.
The Bible and the Shariah Laws of the Ahlul Sunnah do not allow any freedom of belief. According to the Bible and the Sharia Law of the Ahlul Sunnah a person should be put to death when he jumps from belief to disbelief. It is clear again that the ulema of Ahlul Sunnah reject the teachings of GOD and the Prophet in the Quran. Instead they prefer to plagiarise Biblical teachings and pass it off as the teachings of the Prophet.