Refuting the 2 Salaat Theory
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Thats not true since the religion of God could be talking about adultery(which is consistent with all the prophets) and not the punishment, which is not consistent with all the prophets and is not even included in the Gospel and in fact the Quran varies in terms of sexual misconduct. Once again hidden assumptions.
In the New Testament, Jesus mentions adultery as the only reason for divorce, he doesn't mention any other punishment.
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I like the way the Biblical prophets turn a blind eye on the Torah. Could this be an indicator that it is a forgery afterall ?
It don't matter because even in the Torah many communal laws were introduced during the reign of many other prophets that did not exist at the time of the previous prophets. God does not need humans to punish for sins. Human need these punishment to organize their societies.
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It don't matter because even in the Torah many communal laws were introduced during the reign of many other prophets that did not exist at the time of the previous prophets. God does not need humans to punish for sins. Human need these punishment to organize their societies.
Without laws and punishments there would be no society. But punishments should not be inhuman.
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Without laws and punishments there would be no society. But punishments should not be inhuman.
If there was a perfect society, there would be no need for laws/punishments! but sadly, this wouldn't happen
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My theory about Shar'ia the law, is that it works. Compared to the west we have a high crime rate but in the east the crime is low. That's because the laws over there are down right scary and makes me not want to move over to Egypt and Saudi Arabia. I would like to but I am really attached to my body parts ! The biggest problem is that there is no foundation in the Shar'ia based from the Qur'an. I take it that the Shar'ia is derived mostly from the hadith literature ? When I read the Qur'an I find that Allah is most often forgiving. People are given a chance to admit there wrong doing. It seems Qur'anic, natural, fair, and what I visualize from reading the Qur'an in what muslims in those days practiced. Why the change after prophet Muhammad's death ? ???
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In regards to the 2 Salaat theory. When I look up prayer in the index in the back of the Qur'an ( I use Yusuf Ali edition - any thoughts ? ) and read the passages in regards to prayer I see in general the thought and words coming from the Qur'an is two. In the morning and the evening, except where it mentions Friday prayer ( community prayer ) I would take that as of Fridays there are three prayers. Other then this there in mention of praising Allah three times during the day, in the morning, the afternoon, and the evening. Muhammad prayed to Allah as much as he wanted to. Should we be an example and set for ourselves to prayer as much as we can ? No. Why ? Because the prophet Muhammad doesn't want us to be overburden. He qualifies additional prayers as extra. I see that it is simple when it comes to how many times we would pray in a day. Twice a day but on Fridays it would be three prayers a day due to the community prayer at the Masjid and when one has time extra prayers wether they are Salaat or Dua prayers, we are making time for Allah which is most important. It doesn't hurt if we pray three times a day as the standard norm but what we need to do is establish together as Qur'anist Muslims if we are proclaiming aloud that we as Qur'anist muslims pray to Allah two or three times a day and lets right up a manual explaining the form of prayer in which we pray to Allah. Lets set up Masjids for Qur'anists Muslims ! We are not another sect of muslims like the Shia and the Sunni. We are muslims which the Qur'an proclaims. No more division lets stop the debate put are think tanks together and say look this is it.
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...but what we need to do is establish together as Qur'anist Muslims if we are proclaiming aloud that we as Qur'anist muslims pray to Allah two or three times a day and lets right up a manual explaining the form of prayer in which we pray to Allah. Lets set up Masjids for Qur'anists Muslims ! We are not another sect of muslims like the Shia and the Sunni. We are muslims which the Qur'an proclaims. No more division lets stop the debate put are think tanks together and say look this is it.
You might find this interesting
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htmIronically, what you call for is perhaps exactly what led to the situation we are in. God knows best.
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Peace
i can understand your point regarding saudi arabia....... But Egypt ???IS egypt different?
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IS egypt different?
Peace
Yes, you can not put Egypt and saudi arabia in the same basket regarding Laws. in egypt there is no hand amputation in theft punishement, they only go to minor jail sentence, infact the crime rate is rising as many roberries take place in the middle of the days in a crowded areas with the thieves being untouched. also there is no stoning, you can say no punishment at all to fornication or adultary. In deliberate killing there is a death punishment but this is the case in many western countaries.Good point. To a westerner the laws in Egypt are scary too
would you provide examples.
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Peace
Yes, you can not put Egypt and saudi arabia in the same basket regarding Laws. in egypt there is no hand amputation in theft punishement, they only go to minor jail sentence, infact the crime rate is rising as many roberries take place in the middle of the days in a crowded areas with the thieves being untouched. also there is no stoning, you can say no punishment at all to fornication or adultary. In deliberate killing there is a death punishment but this is the case in many western countaries.would you provide examples.
That is interesting. So Egypt has very similar laws to western countries? We are always told that all Arab countries have the same laws. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
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Is Egypt predominantly Shiite or Sunni? I know there is a large(ish) group of Christians there too, but I am trying to work out which is the more tolerant.
The vast majority iare sunni, as you said large group are christians (orthodox), regarding shiite very little if any.
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So would you say that, overall, the Sunnis are more tolerant?
Can't tell, as far as i know countaries with shiite and christians livig together as lebanon and iraq there is no major conflict between them. i think the conflict is more between sectors of the same religions(sunni and shiite, protostant and catholics, ......)
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Can't tell, as far as i know countaries with shiite and christians livig together as lebanon and iraq there is no major conflict between them. i think the conflict is more between sectors of the same religions(sunni and shiite, protostant and catholics, ......)
Yes, I understand that, it is such a shame.
