People Of THE Book... Which Book?
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The Torah is also preserved, and that's why every Hebrew manuscript of the Torah is exactly the same, down to each letter. It's been the same text for centuries... The Biblical gospels, in my opinion, are not necessarily preserved because they were never inspired by God in the first place. They're just manmade books that some people believe detail the life of Jesus, and there's not even any historical evidence that these books were actually written by Jesus' disciples.
I agree with you as regards to the torah but when it come to the gospel that is were a critical examination will be require, my question will be what is the injil refer to in the quran?
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I agree with you as regards to the torah but when it come to the gospel that is were a critical examination will be require, my question will be what is the injil refer to in the quran?
The message given to Jesus by God. (At least that is what I was told in another thread)
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I agree with you as regards to the torah but when it come to the gospel that is were a critical examination will be require, my question will be what is the injil refer to in the quran?
If you compare the Christian gospel to other historical texts, you'll notice that it's nearly identical to the mythological passages of former gods, especially in Greece and Rome. The Biblical story of Jesus is no more than a retelling of the stories of Khrishna and Mithras...
The book that I've found to be closest to the true Evangel as mentioned in the Qur'aan is the Gospel of the Nazarenes, a book that all Nazarenes and Ebionites were very familiar with. In that book, it relates an account of Jesus actually receiving a book ("al injeel"?) from Moses and Elijah, and this book contains certain commandments that Jesus told his followers to observe...
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If you compare the Christian gospel to other historical texts, you'll notice that it's nearly identical to the mythological passages of former gods, especially in Greece and Rome. The Biblical story of Jesus is no more than a retelling of the stories of Khrishna and Mithras...
The book that I've found to be closest to the true Evangel as mentioned in the Qur'aan is the Gospel of the Nazarenes, a book that all Nazarenes and Ebionites were very familiar with. In that book, it relates an account of Jesus actually receiving a book ("al injeel"?) from Moses and Elijah, and this book contains certain commandments that Jesus told his followers to observe...
Even the gospel of the Nazerenes is just a book of biography as the four gospels of John, Mathew, Mark and Luke, and in fact the are identical except in few places.
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Even the gospel of the Nazerenes is just a book of biography as the four gospels of John, Mathew, Mark and Luke, and in fact the are identical except in few places.
That is because Matthew is a copy of Mark, Luke is just a letter written after reading Mark, and John is probably a fabrication by the early church to bring in a couple of things that they wanted in the bible but was not there.
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That is because Matthew is a copy of Mark, Luke is just a letter written after reading Mark, and John is probably a fabrication by the early church to bring in a couple of things that they wanted in the bible but was not there.
This didn't stop the Quran from going....
'Let the people of the Gospel judge with what God revealed therein' brickwall
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This didn't stop the Quran from going....
'Let the people of the Gospel judge with what God revealed therein' brickwall
There is still an important message in the gospels, that hasn't changed, it is just the silly details about Jesus that was messed with.
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That is because Matthew is a copy of Mark, Luke is just a letter written after reading Mark, and John is probably a fabrication by the early church to bring in a couple of things that they wanted in the bible but was not there.
you know the quran always advocate bringing proves, can you give any prove for your claims. And note if it is regarding the issue of similar narrations, Quran also has that in it, so will this invalidate the Quran or bring about the issue of copyright?
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you know the quran always advocate bringing proves, can you give any prove for your claims. And note if it is regarding the issue of similar narrations, Quran also has that in it, so will this invalidate the Quran or bring about the issue of copyright?
No of course it will not invalidate the Quran as the Quran does not include (as far as I know) any of the changes. In fact the Quran includes part of one on the gospels left out of the bible.
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No of course it will not invalidate the Quran as the Quran does not include (as far as I know) any of the changes. In fact the Quran includes part of one on the gospels left out of the bible.
You may find this interesting.
http//www.christianunitarian.org/book/index
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I have to ask a question here, what is the Injil? Is it the gospels?
The Injil (or Injeel) is the scripture that Jesus recieved. It is definitely not the NT. We dont know what it is. Perhaps in the future it will be found, GW.
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You may find this interesting.
http//www.christianunitarian.org/book/index
Thanks for the link, John. I read through it a bit. I just wanted to correct you Jesus was born in September - which is what most/many historians say and which is also in line with what the Quran says.
1922 So she (Mary) was pregnant with him (Jesus), and she went to deliver in a far place.
1923 Then the birth pains came to her, by the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "I wish I had died before this, and became totally forgotten!"
1924 But then he called to her from beneath her "Do not be sad, your Lord has made below you a stream."
1925 "Shake the trunk of this palm tree, it will cause ripe dates to fall upon you."
This could not have been happening in fall/September.
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Even the gospel of the Nazerenes is just a book of biography as the four gospels of John, Mathew, Mark and Luke, and in fact the are identical except in few places.
You're missing the point of what I said... Yes, the Gospel of the Nazarenes is a biographical sketch of Jesus' life, and it differs from the 4 Biblical gospels. However, INSIDE that biographical sketch, it mentions a book that Jesus was given from the hands of Moses and Elijah, and it outlines certain laws that he commanded his followers to observe. The book mentioned in the Gospel of the Nazarenes, and the laws within it, may be the true "Injeel"/Evangel that the Qur'aan is speaking of...
http//www.thenazareneway.com/ght_section_5_lections_41_thru_50.htm#Lection 46
- AND Iesus said unto them, Behold a new law I give unto you, which is not new but old. Even as Moses gave the Ten Commandments to Israel after the flesh, so also I give unto you the Twelve for the Kingdom of Israel after the Spirit.
- For who are the Israel of God ? Even they of every nation and tribe who work righteousness, love mercy and keep my commandments, these are the true Israel of God. And standing upon his feet, Jesus spake, saying
- Hear O Israel, JOVA, thy God is One; many are My seers, and My prophets. In Me all live and move, and have subsistence.
- Ye shall not take away the life of any creature for your pleasure, nor for your profit. nor yet torment it.
- Ye shall not steal the goods of any, nor gather lands and riches to yourselves, beyond your need or use.
- Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet any thing which bringeth disorder to your health or senses.
- Ye shall not make impure marriages, where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature made pure by the Holy.
- Ye shall not bear false witness against any, nor wilfully deceive any by a lie to hurt them.
- Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would not that others should do unto you.
- Ye shall worship One Eternal, the Father-Mother in Heaven, of Whom are all things, and reverence the holy Name.
- Ye shall revere your fathers and your mothers on earth, whose care is for you, and all the Teachers of Righteousness.
- Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, and those who are oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong.
- Ye shall work with your hands the things that are good and seemly; so shalt ye eat the fruits Of the earth, and live long in the land.
- Ye shall purify yourselves daily and rest the Seventh Day from labour, keeping holy the Sabbaths and the Festival of your God.
- Ye shall do unto others as ye would that others should do unto you.
- And when the disciples heard these words, they smote upon their breasts, saying Wherein we have offended. O God forgive us and may thy wisdom, love and truth within us incline our hearts to love and keep this Holy Law.
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You're missing the point of what I said... Yes, the Gospel of the Nazarenes is a biographical sketch of Jesus' life, and it differs from the 4 Biblical gospels. However, INSIDE that biographical sketch, it mentions a book that Jesus was given from the hands of Moses and Elijah, and it outlines certain laws that he commanded his followers to observe. The book mentioned in the Gospel of the Nazarenes, and the laws within it, may be the true "Injeel"/Evangel that the Qur'aan is speaking of...
http//www.thenazareneway.com/ght_section_5_lections_41_thru_50.htm#Lection 46
- AND Iesus said unto them, Behold a new law I give unto you, which is not new but old. Even as Moses gave the Ten Commandments to Israel after the flesh, so also I give unto you the Twelve for the Kingdom of Israel after the Spirit.
- For who are the Israel of God ? Even they of every nation and tribe who work righteousness, love mercy and keep my commandments, these are the true Israel of God. And standing upon his feet, Jesus spake, saying
- Hear O Israel, JOVA, thy God is One; many are My seers, and My prophets. In Me all live and move, and have subsistence.
- Ye shall not take away the life of any creature for your pleasure, nor for your profit. nor yet torment it.
- Ye shall not steal the goods of any, nor gather lands and riches to yourselves, beyond your need or use.
- Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet any thing which bringeth disorder to your health or senses.
- Ye shall not make impure marriages, where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature made pure by the Holy.
- Ye shall not bear false witness against any, nor wilfully deceive any by a lie to hurt them.
- Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would not that others should do unto you.
- Ye shall worship One Eternal, the Father-Mother in Heaven, of Whom are all things, and reverence the holy Name.
- Ye shall revere your fathers and your mothers on earth, whose care is for you, and all the Teachers of Righteousness.
- Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, and those who are oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong.
- Ye shall work with your hands the things that are good and seemly; so shalt ye eat the fruits Of the earth, and live long in the land.
- Ye shall purify yourselves daily and rest the Seventh Day from labour, keeping holy the Sabbaths and the Festival of your God.
- Ye shall do unto others as ye would that others should do unto you.
- And when the disciples heard these words, they smote upon their breasts, saying Wherein we have offended. O God forgive us and may thy wisdom, love and truth within us incline our hearts to love and keep this Holy Law.
bravo
Also a very good one from that website
"After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with healing in his wings" ~Jesus, The Essene Gospel of Peace
Compare this to
6112 We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and Jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
6113 That is so the hearts of those who do not acknowledge the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will.
And
5116 God will say, "O Jesus son of Mary, did you tell the people to take you and your mother as gods besides God?" He said, "Be you glorified, I cannot say what I have no right to. If I had said it then You know it, You know what is in my person while I do not know what is in Your person. You are the Knower of the unseen."
5117 "I only said to them what You commanded me to say, that you shall serve God my Lord and your Lord; and I was witness over them as long as I was with them, but when You took me, You were watcher over them. You are witness over all things."
5118 "If You punish them, then they are Your servants, and if You forgive them, then You are the Noble, Wise."
5119 God will say, "This is a day when the truth will benefit the truthful." They will have gardens with rivers flowing beneath; eternally they will abide therein. God has become pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. Such is the greatest victory.
5120 To God is the sovereignty of heavens, earth, and all that is in them; and He is capable of all things.
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5110 God will say, "O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the holy inspiration/revelation; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age; and I taught you the book and the wisdom, and the Torah, and the Injeel; and you would create from clay the shape of a bird, then blow into it and it becomes a bird by My leave; and you heal the blind and the leper by My leave; and you brought out the dead by My leave. I have restrained the Children of Israel from you, that you came to them with proofs; but those who rejected amongst them said, 'This is an obvious magic!'"
"The book" is different from the Torah/Tawrat, the wisdom/hikma and the Injeel.
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5110 God will say, "O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the holy inspiration/revelation; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age; and I taught you the book and the wisdom, and the Torah, and the Injeel; and you would create from clay the shape of a bird, then blow into it and it becomes a bird by My leave; and you heal the blind and the leper by My leave; and you brought out the dead by My leave. I have restrained the Children of Israel from you, that you came to them with proofs; but those who rejected amongst them said, 'This is an obvious magic!'"
"The book" is different from the Torah/Tawrat, the wisdom/hikma and the Injeel.
From this standpoint, though, the "book" (kitaab) is nearly always coupled with the "wisdom" (hikma). So, in order to understand the total composition of this, we have to understand what the book and the wisdom include, separate from the Torah and Injiyl...