Ramadan
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http//www.renaissance.com.pk/Julq62y4.html hail laugh
Quite true, bro afridi. I come across those hadith as I did my own homework on tarawih.
Even with hadith sources, if tarawih was dropped by the Messenger and called a bid'ah with less value than the night salat (tahajud) by Umar, it's quite surprising how people still managed to consider it something good. It's not in the Qur'an, it's not even suggested by hadith, even called bid'ah by Umar, and yet...
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I fast every year...although I do find it difficult. Not because of lack of food/drink. That I can get used to. Its difficult because of waking up early to eat (I have to eat something light and have my tea and water) and then I cant sleep as the children will wake up within an hour. So its the lack of sleep i cant get used to. But there is nothing like the satisfaction you get at the end of the day especially when you find it a challenge. But I am lucky our fasting throughout the year is between 5 am and 7 pm give or take 20-30 mins variation.
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I just had my first meal; it's about 5am now. I had Indian food eat
eat what did you eat?
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Happy ramadhaan every body! yay group
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wow o She ate an Indian !!!!! & & & &
holy cow! Ohh I said it! She ate an indian! o
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Peace everyone
I have the timetable for Ramadan (London). It says fasting starts 409am, Fajr prayer 429am and Fast ends 810pm. However, sunrise for 23rd Aug is 559am and sunset is 2006pm. Is there a more natural way to observe the start of fast and end of fast?
God Bless
Hope
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Peace everyone
I have the timetable for Ramadan (London). It says fasting starts 409am, Fajr prayer 429am and Fast ends 810pm. However, sunrise for 23rd Aug is 559am and sunset is 2006pm. Is there a more natural way to observe the start of fast and end of fast?
God Bless
HopePeace,
Respectfully.I think you're mistaken, because i got the timetable from London Central Mosque (London) and it says like this
DATE PRAYER PRAYER BREAKING OF THE FAST
23., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0347 -- maghrib/2009 -- layl/2217
24., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0347 -- maghrib/2009 -- layl/2217
25., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
26., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
27., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
28., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
29., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
30., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
31., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156I eat until fajr salah, then i pray and sleep some more.
Gotta make some unhealthy sandwiches for the businessmen in the CITY, lool,lol.
Peace. -
Peace,
Respectfully.I think you're mistaken, because i got the timetable from London Central Mosque (London) and it says like this
DATE PRAYER PRAYER BREAKING OF THE FAST
23., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0347 -- maghrib/2009 -- layl/2217
24., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0347 -- maghrib/2009 -- layl/2217
25., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
26., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
27., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
28., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
29., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
30., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
31., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156I eat until fajr salah, then i pray and sleep some more.
Gotta make some unhealthy sandwiches for the businessmen in the CITY, lool,lol.
Peace.Breaking the fast is at the time of maghrib plus 5-10 mins.
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Peace everyone
I have the timetable for Ramadan (London). It says fasting starts 409am, Fajr prayer 429am and Fast ends 810pm. However, sunrise for 23rd Aug is 559am and sunset is 2006pm. Is there a more natural way to observe the start of fast and end of fast?
God Bless
Hope
http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/london.html
Date Sunset Dawn
Today 2006 0522
+1 day 2004 0524 -
Peace everyone
I have the timetable for Ramadan (London). It says fasting starts 409am, Fajr prayer 429am and Fast ends 810pm. However, sunrise for 23rd Aug is 559am and sunset is 2006pm. Is there a more natural way to observe the start of fast and end of fast?
God Bless
Hope
I have always been confused by Salt Al-fajr. I really am commiting myself now to find out what does it mean. I need to know the answer to these questions, because I am having a mind block! Obviously I cannot trust the Sectarian Prayer times that are being given out at the local "halal" butchers! (Yeah i know, that's another story!)
ok, here are my questions
What is al-Fajr?
What is dawn?
What is sunrise?
Does the morning "salat"/meditation/worship/prayer have to be done BEFORE the sunrise or BEFORE the dawn? Or is it AT the dawn or AT the sunrise?
Or if it means "metaphorical" start of day, does it simply mean when you get up, regardless of the position of the sun by then?
AND then, what is Falaq? As in Surah Al-Falaq? Is Falaq the same meaning of Fajr?30 mins before dawn has been mentioned to me, I don't know if it is 30 mins before (dawn/sunrise) that is the prayer time or is it 30 mins before (dawn/sunrise) that you have to eat so that you have finished eating before there is light in the sky.
verses containing dawn
2187, 696, 1778, 5434, 975, 1131verses containing Sunrise
1573, 2660, 375, 5517, 7040put simply Is the morning prayer done while it is still dark?
thanks, May God increase us all in knowledge, and guide us and protect us.
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http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/london.html
Date Sunset Dawn
Today 2006 0522
+1 day 2004 0524Salaam
I knew about two sorts of timing according to Central Mosque and rest of the Mosque but for safe side we followed the earlier time table.I have no idea why central Mosque started showing dawn at around half an hour difference since year 2000.
I think it was sun rise today at 05.56.
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Peace,
Respectfully.I think you're mistaken, because i got the timetable from London Central Mosque (London) and it says like this
DATE PRAYER PRAYER BREAKING OF THE FAST
23., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0347 -- maghrib/2009 -- layl/2217
24., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0347 -- maghrib/2009 -- layl/2217
25., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
26., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
27., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0355 -- maghrib/2003 -- layl/2208
28., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
29., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
30., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156
31., Avg., 2009 - fajr/0402 -- maghrib/1954 -- layl/2156I eat until fajr salah, then i pray and sleep some more.
Gotta make some unhealthy sandwiches for the businessmen in the CITY, lool,lol.
Peace.Peace Alen
My deffinition from my understanding of the starting of fast and ending of fast is from Dawn till Dusk. What is your understanding? Also I woke up early this morning to witness the dawn. I Saw it close to 5am in the morning so I really dont know where they are getting these times from. According to this website http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/london.html
Sunrise is at 0559am and dawn is at 0522am for today. Also, Sunset is at 2006pm and dusk is at 2042pm. If fasting is from dawn till dusk then todays fast should start 522am till 2042pm. Whats you input on this? I have 2 timetables here from two different mosques and they vary slightly.God Bless
Hope
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I have always been confused by Salt Al-fajr. I really am commiting myself now to find out what does it mean. I need to know the answer to these questions, because I am having a mind block! Obviously I cannot trust the Sectarian Prayer times that are being given out at the local "halal" butchers! (Yeah i know, that's another story!)
ok, here are my questions
What is al-Fajr?
What is dawn?
What is sunrise?
Does the morning "salat"/meditation/worship/prayer have to be done BEFORE the sunrise or BEFORE the dawn? Or is it AT the dawn or AT the sunrise?
Or if it means "metaphorical" start of day, does it simply mean when you get up, regardless of the position of the sun by then?
AND then, what is Falaq? As in Surah Al-Falaq? Is Falaq the same meaning of Fajr?30 mins before dawn has been mentioned to me, I don't know if it is 30 mins before (dawn/sunrise) that is the prayer time or is it 30 mins before (dawn/sunrise) that you have to eat so that you have finished eating before there is light in the sky.
verses containing dawn
2187, 696, 1778, 5434, 975, 1131verses containing Sunrise
1573, 2660, 375, 5517, 7040put simply Is the morning prayer done while it is still dark?
thanks, May God increase us all in knowledge, and guide us and protect us.
fajr = dawn
It starts when you see the first ray of light of the day."...You may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night..." (2187)
white thread = sunray
black thread = darknessAt dawn it is both night and day, and it starts from when you see the first ray of light. It lasts until full sunrise (when the sun is fully above the horizon). So you should begin your fast when you see the first light at dawn (when night merges into day) and this is also the time for the fajr (dawn) salat. Breaking the fast is to be done at sunset, since the Quranic night starts at sunset (and lasts until dawn).
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fajr = dawn
It starts when you see the first ray of light of the day."...You may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night..." (2187)
white thread = sunray
black thread = darknessAt dawn it is both night and day, and it starts from when you see the first ray of light. It lasts until full sunrise (when the sun is fully above the horizon). So you should begin your fast when you see the first light at dawn (when night merges into day) and this is also the time for the fajr (dawn) salat. Breaking the fast is to be done at sunset, since the Quranic night starts at sunset (and lasts until dawn).
Peace progressive1993
Can you explain a little more about what you mean a Quranic night? I am a little confused now. If we are to break the fast at sunset then we are not breaking the fast at dawn some 30 minutes or so early. Also what do you make of the dawn and dusk timmings in the website http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/london.html
Peace
Hope
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Quote from TNR
Breaking the Fast at Sunset/Dusk
?It has been made lawful for you during the night of
fasting to approach your women sexually. Th ey are
a garment for you and you are a garment for them.
God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has
accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you
may approach them and seek what God has written for
you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread
is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you
shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach
them while you are devoted in the temples. Th ese are
the boundaries of God, so do not transgress them. It
is thus that God clarifi es His revelations to the people
who they may be righteous.? (Qur?an 2187)God tells us that we are to fast until night has come. Yet,
the masses insist on blatantly disobeying His command
by breaking the fast while there is still light, i.e. at sunset,
based on the innovation of the Hadiths.Peace
Hope
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Quote from TNR
Breaking the Fast at Sunset/Dusk
?It has been made lawful for you during the night of
fasting to approach your women sexually. Th ey are
a garment for you and you are a garment for them.
God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has
accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you
may approach them and seek what God has written for
you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread
is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you
shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach
them while you are devoted in the temples. Th ese are
the boundaries of God, so do not transgress them. It
is thus that God clarifi es His revelations to the people
who they may be righteous.? (Qur?an 2187)God tells us that we are to fast until night has come. Yet,
the masses insist on blatantly disobeying His command
by breaking the fast while there is still light, i.e. at sunset,
based on the innovation of the Hadiths.Peace
Hope
Peace Hope, yes I am on your wavelength here! I find it bizarre that the length of time between dawn and sunrise is supposedly 2 hours according to some prayer timetables when according to websites such as timeanddate.com it paints a different picture! My sunrise for today was 619am according to timeanddate.com. Haven't been able to find out what dawn is, but I knocked off 2 hours to work out the dawn and ate and prayed 30 mins before that. It was pitch black.
I noticed last night, on my friend's timetable it said break the fast at 8.15pm, but there was still light in the sky! it still looked like day to me! but then 30 mins later (8.45pm), it was actually properly dark. but they had Isha down as 10pm...
Brother Rev John, you are an astro physicist, please can you shed some light (no pun intended LOL!) on how long does it take for the sun to set? i mean, from the horizon starting to cover the base of the sun to it covering the top of the sun.
30 mins or 2 hours?cos if it is only 30 mins, then logically wouldn't maghrib and isha have to be only be about 30 mins apart on the timetable?
and i cannot see the horizon from where i live. i'm surrounded by blocks of apartments!
peace all
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Peace UmAlawi
Please look at this website it gives the times for sunrise/sunset and dawn/dusk timmings. http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/london.html
I make the difference between sunrise and dawn to be about 30mins not 2 hours. Then again I could be wrong. Can someone shed light on this with evidence? !
Peace
Hope
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Peace progressive1993
Can you explain a little more about what you mean a Quranic night? I am a little confused now. If we are to break the fast at sunset then we are not breaking the fast at dawn some 30 minutes or so early. Also what do you make of the dawn and dusk timmings in the website http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/london.html
Peace
Hope
Quranic night = the definition of night given by the Quran = sunset till sunrise = dusk till dawn
Don't get your info from that website. Go to an 'Islamic website' and check the prayer timetable. Add 5-10 mins to Maghrib and you have your breakfast time. The time to start fasting is the same as the start of fajr (dawn) salat.