Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Another statement that makes absolutely no sense... What's so "Sunni or pagan" about Rashad? You're saying we shouldn't be like Rashad, and instead we should be like who, YOU?!?!? laugh
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Also out of sync? What you mean out of sync? Rashad claimed the Quran was out of sync because of verses 9128&9129 so he discarded them. This is a reminder.
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Also out of sync? What you mean out of sync? Rashad claimed the Quran was out of sync because of verses 9128&9129 so he discarded them. This is a reminder.
) Why do you idolize Rashad? You speak about him more than his own followers! If you claim that they idolize Rashad by their excessive mention of him, then what do you call what you're doing?
Rashad Khalifa never claimed that the Qur'aan was out of sync. Rather, he showed mathematical evidence that the Qur'aan has actually been preserved throughout the ages...
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Rashad Khalifa never claimed that the Qur'aan was out of sync. Rather, he showed mathematical evidence that the Qur'aan has actually been preserved throughout the ages...
So preserved that he had to delete verses from it.
Anyways, you might notice that this thread is about Ramadan, not RK...
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So preserved that he had to delete verses from it.
Anyways, you might notice that this thread is about Ramadan, not RK...
TheJoker, the thread police police
just 'joking' laugh
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So preserved that he had to delete verses from it.
Anyways, you might notice that this thread is about Ramadan, not RK...
Oh, here we go with another guy who speaks about what he doesn't understand...
Rashad Khalifa didn't delete anything from the Qur'aan. Period. Stop making false accusations. Besides, I didn't turn this conversation into a discussion about Rashad Khalifa, your buddy Anthony did. You might notice that... For future reference, if you have something to say about Rashad Khalifa, alleging that he deleted verses from the scripture, then post your concerns in the Submitters' section, and I'm sure somebody can answer your questions...
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Peace,
Dear all, Peace,
I did some research on 01/01/01 AH, with the classical Hijri/Gregorian date convertor which you can find here http//www.islamicfinder.org/dateConversion.php?mode=hij-ger&day=1&month=1&year=1&date_result=1
result is Friday 16 July 622 C.Esearching summer solstice for that year 622
result 20 Jun
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/seasons.html?year=600&n=0searching the new moon for that year 622 after summer solstice
first new moon is 14 july
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=622&n=0By this we can conclude the start of the new hijri calendar started exactly 2 days after new moon (when new moon was visible=mashud) after the summer solstice (hot month/Ramadan).
That's strange, isn't it?
Exactly date of PERF 558 can be used to rollback calculate and verify date of events.
New Moon Date
1/17/622
16-Feb
18-Mar
16-Apr
16-May
14-Jun
14-Jul 1. Muharram begins 7/16
12-Aug 2. Safar begins 8/14 - Sept 9 (26 Safar AH 1) Hijra
11-Sep 3. Rabi' al-awwal
10-Oct 4. Rabi' al-thani
8-Nov 5. Jumada al-awwal
8-Dec 6. Jumada al-thani
1/6/623 7. Rajab
5-Feb 8. Sha'aban
7-Mar 9. Ramadan
5-Apr 10. Shawwal
5-May 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
4-Jun 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
3-Jul 1. Muharram 2 AH
2-Aug 2. Safar
31-Aug 3. Rabi' al-awwal
30-Sep 4. Rabi' al-thani
29-Oct 5. Jumada al-awwal
28-Nov 6. Jumada al-thani
27-Dec 7. Rajab
1/25/624 8. Sha'aban
24-Feb 9. Ramadan begins 2/27 March 17, 624 (17 Ramadan 2 AH) Badr Battle
24-Mar 10. Shawwal
23-Apr 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
23-May 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
21-Jun 1. Muharram 3 AH
21-Jul 2. Safar
20-Aug 3. Rabi' al-awwal
18-Sep 4. Rabi' al-thani
18-Oct 5. Jumada al-awwal
16-Nov 6. Jumada al-thani
16-Dec 7. Rajab
1/14/625 8. Sha'aban
13-Feb 9. Ramadan
14-Mar 10. Shawwal begins 3/16 - March 19, 625 (3 Shawwal 3 AH) Battle of Uhud
12-Apr 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
12-May 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
10-Jun 1. Muharram 4 AH
10-Jul 2. Safar
9-Aug 3. Rabi' al-awwal
7-Sep 4. Rabi' al-thani
7-Oct 5. Jumada al-awwal
6-Nov 6. Jumada al-thani
5-Dec 7. Rajab
1/4/626 8. Sha'aban
2-Feb 9. Ramadan
4-Mar 10. Shawwal
2-Apr 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
1-May 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
31-May 1. Muharram 5 AH
29-Jun 2. Safar
29-Jul 3. Rabi' al-awwal
27-Aug 4. Rabi' al-thani
26-Sep 5. Jumada al-awwal
26-Oct 6. Jumada al-thani
25-Nov 7. Rajab
24-Dec 8. Sha'aban
1/23/627 9. Ramadan
21-Feb 10. Shawwal
23-Mar 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
21-Apr 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
20-May 1. Muharram 6 AH
19-Jun 2. Safar
18-Jul 3. Rabi' al-awwal
16-Aug 4. Rabi' al-thani
15-Sep 5. Jumada al-awwal
15-Oct 6. Jumada al-thani
14-Nov 7. Rajab
13-Dec 8. Sha'aban
1/12/628 9. Ramadan
11-Feb 10. Shawwal
11-Mar 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
10-Apr 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
9-May 1. Muharram 7 AH
7-Jun 2. Safar
7-Jul 3. Rabi' al-awwal
5-Aug 4. Rabi' al-thani
3-Sep 5. Jumada al-awwal
3-Oct 6. Jumada al-thani
2-Nov 7. Rajab
1-Dec 8. Sha'aban
31-Dec 9. Ramadan
1/30/629 10. Shawwal
1-Mar 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
30-Mar 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
29-Apr 1. Muharram 8 AH
28-May 2. Safar
26-Jun 3. Rabi' al-awwal
26-Jul 4. Rabi' al-thani
24-Aug 5. Jumada al-awwal
22-Sep 6. Jumada al-thani
22-Oct 7. Rajab
20-Nov 8. Sha'aban
20-Dec 9. Ramadan
1/19/630 10. Shawwal
18-Feb 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
19-Mar 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
18-Apr 1. Muharram 9 AH
17-May 2. Safar
16-Jun 3. Rabi' al-awwal
15-Jul 4. Rabi' al-thani
14-Aug 5. Jumada al-awwal
12-Sep 6. Jumada al-thani
11-Oct 7. Rajab
10-Nov 8. Sha'aban
9-Dec 9. Ramadan
1/8/631 10. Shawwal
7-Feb 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
8-Mar 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
7-Apr 1. Muharram 10 AH
7-May 2. Safar
5-Jun 3. Rabi' al-awwal
5-Jul 4. Rabi' al-thani
3-Aug 5. Jumada al-awwal
2-Sep 6. Jumada al-thani
1-Oct 7. Rajab
30-Oct 8. Sha'aban
29-Nov 9. Ramadan
28-Dec 10. Shawwal
1/27/632 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
25-Feb 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
26-Mar 1. Muharram 11 AH
25-Apr 2. Safar
24-May 3. Rabi' al-awwal begins 5/26 - 8 June (12 of Rabi? al-Awwal, 11 AH) prophet left (pbuh)
23-Jun 4. Rabi' al-thani
23-Jul 5. Jumada al-awwal
21-Aug 6. Jumada al-thani
20-Sep 7. Rajab
19-Oct 8. Sha'aban
17-Nov 9. Ramadan
17-Dec 10. Shawwal
1/15/633 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
14-Feb 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
15-Mar 1. Muharram 12 AH
14-Apr 2. Safar
13-May 3. Rabi' al-awwal
12-Jun 4. Rabi' al-thani
12-Jul 5. Jumada al-awwal
10-Aug 6. Jumada al-thani
9-Sep 7. Rajab
9-Oct 8. Sha'aban
7-Nov 9. Ramadan
7-Dec 10. Shawwal
1/5/634 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
4-Feb 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
5-Mar 1. Muharram 13 AH
3-Apr 2. Safar
3-May 3. Rabi' al-awwal
1-Jun 4. Rabi' al-thani
1-Jul 5. Jumada al-awwal
30-Jul 6. Jumada al-thani
29-Aug 7. Rajab
28-Sep 8. Sha'aban
27-Oct 9. Ramadan
26-Nov 10. Shawwal
26-Dec 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
1/24/635 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
23-Feb 1. Muharram 14 AH
24-Mar 2. Safar
22-Apr 3. Rabi' al-awwal
22-May 4. Rabi' al-thani
20-Jun 5. Jumada al-awwal
19-Jul 6. Jumada al-thani
18-Aug 7. Rajab
17-Sep 8. Sha'aban
17-Oct 9. Ramadan
15-Nov 10. Shawwal
15-Dec 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
1/14/636 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
12-Feb 1. Muharram 15 AH
13-Mar 2. Safar
11-Apr 3. Rabi' al-awwal
10-May 4. Rabi' al-thani
9-Jun 5. Jumada al-awwal
8-Jul 6. Jumada al-thani
6-Aug 7. Rajab
5-Sep 8. Sha'aban
5-Oct 9. Ramadan
3-Nov 10. Shawwal
3-Dec 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
1/2/637 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
1-Feb 1. Muharram 16 AH
2-Mar 2. Safar
1-Apr 3. Rabi' al-awwal
30-Apr 4. Rabi' al-thani
29-May 5. Jumada al-awwal
28-Jun 6. Jumada al-thani
27-Jul 7. Rajab
25-Aug 8. Sha'aban
24-Sep 9. Ramadan
23-Oct 10. Shawwal
22-Nov 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
22-Dec 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
1/21/638 1. Muharram 17 AH
19-Feb 2. Safar
21-Mar 3. Rabi' al-awwal
20-Apr 4. Rabi' al-thani
19-May 5. Jumada al-awwal
17-Jun 6. Jumada al-thani
17-Jul 7. Rajab
15-Aug 8. Sha'aban
13-Sep 9. Ramadan
13-Oct 10. Shawwal
11-Nov 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
11-Dec 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
1/10/639 1. Muharram 18 AH
8-Feb 2. Safar
10-Mar 3. Rabi' al-awwal
9-Apr 4. Rabi' al-thani
8-May 5. Jumada al-awwal
7-Jun 6. Jumada al-thani
6-Jul 7. Rajab
5-Aug 8. Sha'aban
3-Sep 9. Ramadan
2-Oct 10. Shawwal
1-Nov 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
30-Nov 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
30-Dec 1. Muharram 19 AH
1/28/640 2. Safar
27-Feb 3. Rabi' al-awwal
28-Mar 4. Rabi' al-thani
27-Apr 5. Jumada al-awwal
26-May 6. Jumada al-thani
25-Jun 7. Rajab
24-Jul 8. Sha'aban
23-Aug 9. Ramadan
21-Sep 10. Shawwal
20-Oct 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
19-Nov 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
18-Dec 1. Muharram 20 AH
1/17/641 2. Safar
15-Feb 3. Rabi' al-awwal
17-Mar 4. Rabi' al-thani
16-Apr 5. Jumada al-awwal
15-May 6. Jumada al-thani
14-Jun 7. Rajab
13-Jul 8. Sha'aban
12-Aug 9. Ramadan
11-Sep 10. Shawwal
10-Oct 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
8-Nov 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
8-Dec 1. Muharram 21 AH
1/6/642 2. Safar
5-Feb 3. Rabi' al-awwal
6-Mar 4. Rabi' al-thani
5-Apr 5. Jumada al-awwal
4-May 6. Jumada al-thani
3-Jun 7. Rajab
3-Jul 8. Sha'aban
1-Aug 9. Ramadan
31-Aug 10. Shawwal
29-Sep 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
29-Oct 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
28-Nov 1. Muharram 22 AH
27-Dec 2. Safar
1/25/643 3. Rabi' al-awwal
24-Feb 4. Rabi' al-thani
25-Mar 5. Jumada al-awwal PERF 558 last day of Jumada al-awwal 4/25
24-Apr 6. Jumada al-thani begins 4/26
23-May 7. Rajab
22-Jun 8. Sha'aban
21-Jul 9. Ramadan
20-Aug 10. Shawwal
19-Sep 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
18-Oct 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
17-Nov 1. Muharram
17-Dec 2. SafarIt is He Who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light and measured out for it stages that you might know (the) number (of) the years and the counting/calculating. God did not create this but in truth. He explains the verses in detail for people who have knowledge. 105
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Peace,
Exactly date of PERF 558 can be used to rollback calculate and verify date of events.
...It is He Who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light and measured out for it stages that you might know (the) number (of) the years and the counting/calculating. God did not create this but in truth. He explains the verses in detail for people who have knowledge. 105
Salaam Brother
I had this feeling that you would come back with detailed calculations for us. I was waiting to hear from you and I thought you would be busy calculating to come back with solid evidence. hmm
Thank you so much and Ramadan Mubarik
Jazakh Allah Kheir -
Peace Rex/Pseudo/Eid/Nun,
Exactly date of PERF 558 can be used to rollback calculate and verify date of events.
New Moon Date
1/17/622
16-Feb
18-Mar
16-Apr
16-May
14-Jun
14-Jul 1. Muharram begins 7/16
12-Aug 2. Safar begins 8/14 - Sept 9 (26 Safar AH 1) HijraAs you found out, the starting date of the new era has nothing to do with the supposed date of the Hijra. The Hijri era month 1 actually started about 56 days earlier. So the start date of this new era is a big lie that in reality has nothing to do with the event it claims to be based on. Had month 1 been based on the actual supposed date of Hijra or the closest new moon to it, then the entire era would have been pushed 2 months and this year's Ramadan would be in two months.
Moreover, your entire calculation is erroneous because it ignores that according to the same sectarian sources that you used to conjecture the dates of the various events, the intercalary month was abolished in the year when the prophet died. If you factor this then the 26 Safar date would occur about 89 days (three lunar months) earlier and your dates will be off. So you are essentially implying that the prophet always fasted on the wrong dates.
Again it is an indisputable fact that the present so-called Ramadan is 100% arbitrary and it depends on when some guy decided the era was to start and with which month it started and on the 100% manmade order of the months.
It is He Who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light and measured out for it stages that you might know (the) number (of) the years and the counting/calculating. God did not create this but in truth. He explains the verses in detail for people who have knowledge. 105
Yet you completely ignore the sun as if 105 didn't mention it. This also results in you completely ignoring 1712 as if the verse didn't exist.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salam all,
I was reading this thread for 2 weeks now, and i successfully finished reading all posts (it's not that easy , 76 pages !!! ) and finally decided to post.
in my seekin of the truth, i was told that the best way to find the truth is to "reset" your ''traditional" knowledge and "free your mind" to be able to understand the signs from the great reading only.
I tell it right now, i fully agree with ayman's theory because hes posts were always so logical and so clear and whether you like it or not , all his statement and arguments have a strictly quranic basis, what is not the case for many many of you.. i don't know why you keep asking the same questions on and on.... had you understood from the very first pages, this thread wouldn't have been so long and so difficult to read for all of us ...
Also, that's why many of you skipped reading 80% of this thread, and asked the very questions discussed in 2008 topics...making this thread longer and longer and forcing ayman repeating his posts on and on..and he did it very patiently...
I think Ayman's theory would be irrelevant only if you attack it from a biased way of thinking due to traditional impact...So if you really claim that you are in this site because you follow God alone ( it means that your only source is the great reading) then you should find anything illogical to what Ayman claims. In the other hand Ayman has succefully answerd logically all of your questions without avoiding anyone. Congrats...
Last , i wanna thank you all for contributing to help me understand better than i did before..
May god help us all to find the true way and never deviate from it..P.S i'm not an english educated person because in my country (morocco) , english is not the mother tongue neither the first foreign language. So excuse my typing and grammar mistakes...
Peace all ...
"Two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein
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There are only two naturally occurring timers which are fixed and accurate
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Earth rotation on its axis, and hence the creation of the unit which we call day. This is the basic important calculating unit for life.
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Earth's orbit around sun, and the resulting unit of a year. Due to natural tilt in rotating axis, this provides us with seasons and important markers like summer and winter solstices. And hence, a significant event.
As these two are far apart for calculation in reference to life on earth , so He also recommended increasing /decreasing moon shapes for splitting the above bigger unit. How?
Recurrence of a similar moon shape would aproximate 30 day units.
And would approximately divide the bigger year unit into 12 intermediary units. but there is a problem,
The third reference provider (moon) has its independent celestial properties, so the info help that it provides , does not properly dove tail, and hence cannot equally divide the other basic units, from visible reference point of view As this would occur sometimes in 29 ,and another in 30 days, so God does not use this unit as a month, but uses it as a marker.
To understand , imagine, if some one tells you to complete a certain task, in a day from now That would always mean fixed 24 hours , or one complete rotation of earth on its axis where ever you are on the globe. same way unit of year would also remain fixed , one complete orbit of earth around sun from that instant.
But if it was a month , with the help of moon, It can not be inherently a fixed period of time, because there would be an error of complete one day.
This is most likely why God does not use and call the intermediary unit as A MONTH, but tells us "to take reference from one complete visible cycle of the moon" ,He means, may it be 29, or 30 , do it in what ever moon gives you in your geographical location.
He uses shahar , the full moon, which is brightest and longest duration wise, for most of his commands as a marker , ensuring "a least chance for ambiguity"
Shahar as a Month, is most probably an evolved meaning. "When people saw full moon, and again saw the full moon they mentally realised that a certain number of days have elapsed, and hence started identifying "coming of the full moon" with a certain duration passed (Month)
I sincerely hope that this effort of mine helps some one.
peace
siki
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Salam all,
I was reading this thread for 2 weeks now, and i successfully finished reading all posts (it's not that easy , 76 pages !!! ) and finally decided to post.
in my seekin of the truth, i was told that the best way to find the truth is to "reset" your ''traditional" knowledge and "free your mind" to be able to understand the signs from the great reading only.
I tell it right now, i fully agree with ayman's theory because hes posts were always so logical and so clear and whether you like it or not , all his statement and arguments have a strictly quranic basis, what is not the case for many many of you.. i don't know why you keep asking the same questions on and on.... had you understood from the very first pages, this thread wouldn't have been so long and so difficult to read for all of us ...
Also, that's why many of you skipped reading 80% of this thread, and asked the very questions discussed in 2008 topics...making this thread longer and longer and forcing ayman repeating his posts on and on..and he did it very patiently...
I think Ayman's theory would be irrelevant only if you attack it from a biased way of thinking due to traditional impact...So if you really claim that you are in this site because you follow God alone ( it means that your only source is the great reading) then you should find anything illogical to what Ayman claims. In the other hand Ayman has succefully answerd logically all of your questions without avoiding anyone. Congrats...
Last , i wanna thank you all for contributing to help me understand better than i did before..
May god help us all to find the true way and never deviate from it..P.S i'm not an english educated person because in my country (morocco) , english is not the mother tongue neither the first foreign language. So excuse my typing and grammar mistakes...
Peace all ...
"Two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein
A very logical , well written and badly needed sum up.
welcome aboard.
handshake
siki
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This is most likely why God does not use and call the intermediary unit as A MONTH, but tells us "to take reference from one complete visible cycle of the moon" ,He means, may it be 29, or 30 , do it in what ever moon gives you in your geographical location.
Salaam
God explains a complete visible cycle from child to old age not from full strength. nope Here are the stages clearly explained
Free_Minds
40; 67. He is the One who created you from dust, then from a seed, then from an embryo, then He brings you out as a child, then He lets you reach your maturity, then you become old; and some of will have their lives terminated before this; and so that you may reach an appointed term, and perhaps so you may understand.3639 And the moon We have measured it to appear in stages, until it returns to being like an old curved sheath- From Crescent ? To Crescent .
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The Hellenic calendars, the Hebrew Lunisolar calendar and the Islamic Lunar calendar started the month with the first appearance of the thin crescent of the new moon http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonthHe uses shahar , the full moon, which is brightest and longest duration wise, for most of his commands as a marker , ensuring "a least chance for ambiguity"
Full Moon ??? Please do not use English term tell us in your own language what word do you use for full moon?
Shahar as a Month, is most probably an evolved meaning. "When people saw full moon, and again saw the full moon they mentally realised that a certain number of days have elapsed, and hence started identifying "coming of the full moon" with a certain duration passed (Month)
Moon to month Etymology
Middle English < Old English mna? < Proto-Germanic *mn?- < Proto-Indo-European *me(n)ses- (moon, month), probably from PIE base *m?- (to measure), referring to the moon?s phases as the measure of time. Cognate with moon.
? Cognates include Ancient Greek (mn), Armenian (amis), German Monat, Old High German mnd, Middle High German mnt, Old Irish m?, and Old Slavic (msncĭ.
http//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/monthI sincerely hope that this effort of mine helps some one.
peace
siki
Someone ) You mean Ayman!
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A very logical , well written and badly needed sum up.
welcome aboard.
handshake
siki
Yehh welcome aboard.
handshake quickduck sun
In the past we used to get responses in support of Ayman from the eloquent ones now it?s been switched a different category. yeah
Maybe you can sum up this for quickduck that The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's record the day He created the heavens and the Earth .... Provided humans understand
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At summer solstice the sun is at the highest point in the sky at noon and this can be determined by measuring the length of the shadow of a tall vertical object. At summer solstice this shadow will be the shortest vertically.
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At summer solstice the sun rises at the most northern point on the horizon. During spring the sun will rise at a further northern point every day. The day when the sun rises at the most northern point will be summer solstice. Over the next days the sun will start rising more and more south from that point on the horizon. This can also be determined from the shadow of the tall vertical object. The shadow will keep moving horizontally further and further with each successive day as the summer solstice approaches. On the day of the summer solstice the shadow will be at the most extreme horizontal point and then over the next few days the shadow will start moving in the other direction horizontally with each successive day.
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On the other hand, the summer solstice is easily determined using a natural sundial cut from a coconut to keep track of time of day and the length of the shadow. .....It is easy to see when the summer solstice occurs because just before the summer solstice the shadow is decreasing while right after it the shadow is increasing. So it is the day when the transition happens. Afterwards you start looking for the full-moon. This full-moon will also be special because it will take a very low path accross the horizon and for the first few hours after it rises will appear reddish in color
A sundial or a gnomon or any tall vertical object can be used for the solstice determination
However if for any handicap one is unable follow the above procedure then he is a worthless human his fast is not acceptable to God he is discarded. ignore
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Moon to month Etymology
Middle English < Old English mna? < Proto-Germanic *mn?- < Proto-Indo-European *me(n)ses- (moon, month), probably from PIE base *m?- (to measure), referring to the moon?s phases as the measure of time. Cognate with moon.
? Cognates include Ancient Greek (mn), Armenian (amis), German Monat, Old High German mnd, Middle High German mnt, Old Irish m?, and Old Slavic (msncĭ.
http//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/monthSomeone ) You mean Ayman!
yesPeace Sister Farida
Speaking of German, Salat means "Salad" here ;D
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Peace Farida, siki
Thank you for your warm welcome.to Farida, i think you, Once again , have made at least one mistake trying to find similitudes between 4067 and 3639.
- He is the One who created you from dust, then from a seed, then from an embryo, then He brings you out as a child, then He lets you reach your maturity, then you become old (person) ; and some of will have their lives terminated before this; and so that you may reach an appointed term, and perhaps so you may understand.
3639 And the moon We have measured it to appear in (descending) stages, until it returns to being like an old (ancient) curved sheath.
1 - As far as i know, 4067 talks about the DEVELOPPMENT STAGES of a human being, as opposite to 3639 talking about a CYCLE STAGES of the moon.
None of us return to an "embryo" stage , but the moon always return to the "old curve sheet" stage . THAT's a Big difference .2 - as far as i understand arabic ( my mother tongue ) i can say that the the world "old" that you used in both verses, is in fact different in arabic version.
in 4067, God tells us that we may became "chuyukhan" (old person ) if not died before.
in 3639 god describes the crescent to be like an "qadeem" ( ancient ) curve sheet.i think both meaning cannot be interchanged, because the curve sheet never dies, and if you treat an old person as being "ancient" , she won't be happy with it
Peace all
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Peace Farida, siki
Thank you for your warm welcome.to Farida, i think you, Once again , have made at least one mistake trying to find similitudes between 4067 and 3639.
- He is the One who created you from dust, then from a seed, then from an embryo, then He brings you out as a child, then He lets you reach your maturity, then you become old (person) ; and some of will have their lives terminated before this; and so that you may reach an appointed term, and perhaps so you may understand.
3639 And the moon We have measured it to appear in (descending) stages, until it returns to being like an old (ancient) curved sheath.
1 - As far as i understand, 4067 talks about the DEVELOPPMENT STAGES of a human being, as opposite to 3639 talking about a CYCLE STAGES of the moon.
None of us return to an "embryo" stage , but the moon always return to the "old curve sheet" stage .2 - as far as i understand arabic ( my mother tongue ) i can say that the the world "old" that you used in both verses, is in fact different in arabic version.
in 4067, God tells us that we may became "chuyukhan" (old person ) if not died before.
in 3639 god describes the crescent to be like an "qadeem" ( ancient ) curve sheet.i think both meaning cannot be interchanged, because the curve sheet never dies, and if you treat an old person as being "ancient" , she won't be happy with it o
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wow your English is good you know the difference between "ancient" and old bravo
Me in development stages understand nothing brickwall