Women: Taraweeh at the masjid or home
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Because there are hadiths that say that praying at home is better
Narrated by Ibn 'Umar Allah's Apostle said ?Do not prevent women (wives, mothers, daughters, sisters, etc) from (praying at) mosques. Yet, their prayer at home is better (for them).?
And then there are some that say something to the effect that praying in a dark room in the farthest part of your house is better for you (as a woman).
Yeh but hey i can argue you cant stop me from going to the mosque because prophet says so. in regards to dark room etc, i recall that but its for both men and women. For some people that helps in the meditation/concentration..
It's still bugging me!
What if the woman gets permission from her husband to go to the mosque, but afterwards, she wants to stop at the 24 hour supermarket on the way back to buy milk. Is this allowed, cos the scholar said she has to go straight home?!
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well if you go to the supermarket apparently you need your husbands permission. Sunni's go by the rule that you need your husband's permission to step out of the house. In this day, not everyone follows the rule by the thumb. People have become more flexible some people aren't. That's their belief a women cannot travel without a mahram unless there is a necessity...
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Yeh but hey i can argue you cant stop me from going to the mosque because prophet says so. in regards to dark room etc, i recall that but its for both men and women. For some people that helps in the meditation/concentration..
I'm pretty sure it's only for women. Here let me cut & paste some of Khaled Abou el Fadl's book 'Speaking in God's Name'
"These reports coexist with other traditions that assert that the mosque of the Prophet was full of rows of women lining up for prayers. At times, men arriving late for prayer would pray behind women - men would be in the front rows followed by women, followed by rows of men who arrived late. Yet, the prayers of the men who prayed behind the women were considered valid . . .Of course, reports of widespread attendance of prayers by women in mosques create a rather untenable situation. One would have to conclude that all these women ignored the Prophet's advice to pray in dark closets." (242).
"A version of this report purportedly transmitted from the Prophet by 'Abd Allah b. 'Umar, becomes more extreme. It states "The prayer of a woman in their room is better than her prayer house and her prayer in a dark closet is better than her prayer in her room." The same message is then conveyed but this time through the involvement of a woman who reportedly goes to the Prophet to tell him that she loves to pray in the mosque with him. To this the Prophet responds that he knows that she loves to pray with him but gives her the same advice as above. As a result, the woman went home and prayed in the most isolated and the darkest area of her house until she died. The least one can observe about these traditions are their remarkable vindictiveness - the more removed and inaccessible a woman is, the better, and even the love of the Prophet cannot change that fact."
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When I converted to Islam my mother was fine with it, especially when I told her I only followed the Qu'ran and it was very respectful to women etc.
However my mother let slip to one of her friends that I converted. She was actually disgusted. She then sent me a booklet called "Women and Islam" and it had PAGES of hadiths that put women down in every way. She wrote a letter to my mother basically asking why she has accepted the fact that I've joined a religion where I'm treated like a second class citizen.
I could see her point. I was so disgusted by the book I threw it away.
bravo good that you did!
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I don't hate Christians, I just think they're the worst of the rejectors. Why? Because they acknowledge God, His prophets, His message, and His system; yet they reject all of these things, simply because they'd rather their salvation be "automatic", based on their worship of Jesus as some sort of divine "son", and they'd rather accept blind faith. This amounts to "shirk"/idol worship...
That is some Christians, it is no different in Islam with the traditionalist that follow the hadiths. So please do not lump the God-alone Christians with the traditional Christians they are not the same at all. Do I, go around telling everyone that ALL Muslims want to kill all Christians? or ALL Muslims want to treat women as a piece of crap? or that Muhammad couldn't read or write? No I don't. So please do not treat all Christians like those poor misguided souls that elevate others to the level of God.
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That is some Christians, it is no different in Islam with the traditionalist that follow the hadiths. So please do not lump the God-alone Christians with the traditional Christians they are not the same at all. Do I, go around telling everyone that ALL Muslims want to kill all Christians? or ALL Muslims want to treat women as a piece of crap? or that Muhammad couldn't read or write? No I don't. So please do not treat all Christians like those poor misguided souls that elevate others to the level of God.
wise words! bravo
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That is some Christians, it is no different in Islam with the traditionalist that follow the hadiths. So please do not lump the God-alone Christians with the traditional Christians they are not the same at all. Do I, go around telling everyone that ALL Muslims want to kill all Christians? or ALL Muslims want to treat women as a piece of crap? or that Muhammad couldn't read or write? No I don't. So please do not treat all Christians like those poor misguided souls that elevate others to the level of God.
Trust me, John, I know what you're saying, and I'm hearing you out. But Christianity is Christianity, no matter how it's twisted up or molded. It's still the same substance... If your church is so far from the religion of Christianity, then why do you call yourselves "Christians"?
Jesus never taught or condoned "Christianity", and he never accepted "Christians" as followers. There is absolutely NO LINK between Jesus and Christianity at all... So, if you claim to be a follower of Jesus, then why are you adopting the name of a radical, pagan religious sect? Wouldn't it make more sense to refer to yourselves by the name that Jesus and his followers called themselves? As I've already mentioned several times before, there is no salvation granted to the "Christians" at the word of the Qur'aan. Christians ("masihiyuun" are not mentioned in the scripture at all. Many people interpret the word "nasara" as Christians, but these are NOT the same thing, and that is not a fitting translation. Christianity is paganism, and that inadvertently means that Christians are pagans. There's no way around it.
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Trust me, John, I know what you're saying, and I'm hearing you out. But Christianity is Christianity, no matter how it's twisted up or molded. It's still the same substance... If your church is so far from the religion of Christianity, then why do you call yourselves "Christians"?
Jesus never taught or condoned "Christianity", and he never accepted "Christians" as followers. There is absolutely NO LINK between Jesus and Christianity at all... So, if you claim to be a follower of Jesus, then why are you adopting the name of a radical, pagan religious sect? Wouldn't it make more sense to refer to yourselves by the name that Jesus and his followers called themselves? As I've already mentioned several times before, there is no salvation granted to the "Christians" at the word of the Qur'aan. Christians ("masihiyuun" are not mentioned in the scripture at all. Many people interpret the word "nasara" as Christians, but these are NOT the same thing, and that is not a fitting translation. Christianity is paganism, and that inadvertently means that Christians are pagans. There's no way around it.
christianity is just a word! we are following the same religion!
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christianity is just a word! we are following the same religion!
Are you serious?! If this is how you feel, then you don't have a clear view of what Christianity or Islaam is... Christianity is polytheistic. If this is what you believe in, then yes, you ARE following the same religion as Christianity, with a different name of course. But as for me, I DON'T believe in Christianity, and I am among the "muslimuun" (peaceful submitters)...
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Are you serious?! If this is how you feel, then you don't have a clear view of what Christianity or Islaam is... Christianity is polytheistic. If this is what you believe in, then yes, you ARE following the same religion as Christianity, with a different name of course. But as for me, I DON'T believe in Christianity, and I am among the "muslimuun" (peaceful submitters)...
no man! I meant God alone christians like rev are following the same religion as us!
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no man! I meant God alone christians like rev are following the same religion as us!
I agree. And if he's part of the "God Alone" movement, then he's NOT a Christian, since Christians are NOT acknowledgers of this concept. The idea of "God Alone" is based on pure monotheism, whereas Christianity is based on "Christ". You can't have Christianity without Jesus, which means their system is NOT pure monotheism. It's that simple... If you took Muhammad out of the "manifesto" for Islaam, what would you have? STILL ISLAAM. The concept of "Al-Islaam" is not dependent on any particular prophet; it was Allah's system from the beginning. The concept of Christianity, though, wouldn't exist without Jesus. Therefore, if one man determines the existence of a religion, then it's a case of idolatry, since you're inadvertently idolizing that one man (or prophet)... Therefore, even in it's simplest form, Christianity is idol worship. If Reverend John doesn't want to be labelled among this group, then why does he call himself a Christian?
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Therefore, if one man determines the existence of a religion, then it's a case of idolatry, since you're inadvertently idolizing that one man (or prophet).
I'm not idolising an man (or prophet)! peace
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I agree with Ahmad. Sunnis are believing in One God, the 'Sunna' doesnt reject this idea. While in the Bible we can read things like 'In the name of a Father, a son and a Holy Ghost', i still cant figure out, how is this can deal with monotheism. I read that al-Hazali (or Ibn Sina) interpetated that statement in 'islamic' way, dont know is this true or not.
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I'm not idolising an man (or prophet)! peace
I'm not talking about YOU, I'm talking about followers of Christianity...
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Sunnis are believing in One God, the 'Sunna' doesnt reject this idea. While in the Bible we can read things like 'In the name of a Father, a son and a Holy Ghost', i still cant figure out, how is this can deal with monotheism. I read that al-Hazali (or Ibn Sina) interpetated that statement in 'islamic' way, dont know is this true or not.
Exactly. And regardless of the usage, there is NO WAY you can interpret that concept ("In the name of the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost" in an Islaamic, monotheistic way. The Qur'aan addresses this idea in a monotheistic way, which is why it ONLY refers to the Basmallah ("In the name of Allah " it doesn't include any other people or deities alongside the One God. Doing so would be an example of polytheism and blatant idolatry.
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I'm not talking about YOU, I'm talking about followers of Christianity...
oh! then peace
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That is some Christians, it is no different in Islam with the traditionalist that follow the hadiths. So please do not lump the God-alone Christians with the traditional Christians they are not the same at all. Do I, go around telling everyone that ALL Muslims want to kill all Christians? or ALL Muslims want to treat women as a piece of crap? or that Muhammad couldn't read or write? No I don't. So please do not treat all Christians like those poor misguided souls that elevate others to the level of God.
But you are not Christian you are a Muslim in Arabic in English you can call yourself submitter if you think that you?re a Christian cause you are following the teaching of Jesus then do you think we should call ourselves Mohammaden nope no we are not Mohammaden we are Muslim only and if you still insist that you are Christian then & i suggest try to come more close to your God.
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Trust me, John, I know what you're saying, and I'm hearing you out. But Christianity is Christianity, no matter how it's twisted up or molded. It's still the same substance... If your church is so far from the religion of Christianity, then why do you call yourselves "Christians"?
Jesus never taught or condoned "Christianity", and he never accepted "Christians" as followers. There is absolutely NO LINK between Jesus and Christianity at all... So, if you claim to be a follower of Jesus, then why are you adopting the name of a radical, pagan religious sect? Wouldn't it make more sense to refer to yourselves by the name that Jesus and his followers called themselves? As I've already mentioned several times before, there is no salvation granted to the "Christians" at the word of the Qur'aan. Christians ("masihiyuun" are not mentioned in the scripture at all. Many people interpret the word "nasara" as Christians, but these are NOT the same thing, and that is not a fitting translation. Christianity is paganism, and that inadvertently means that Christians are pagans. There's no way around it.
The Christian religion is not pagan. Even traditional Christians (with whom I disagree) state that they believe in the one God and there is only the one God (I agree). They just say that God appears in three different ways (I disagree with this also). It does not say anything in the bible about the "God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" this is just a term to describe how they think of the One God. There are many people, like me, that believe in the message God gave through Jesus, this makes us Christian. We do not believe that Jesus was the son of God anymore than we are all children of God. We do not believe that Jesus was "God on Earth" and nor do most Christians, there is only a small section of Christians that believe that. There is a sect of Muslims that have elevated Muhammad to "God-like" so what is the difference there? Are you saying that Islam is pagan?
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Sunnis are believing in One God, the 'Sunna' doesnt reject this idea.
And yet, there are many "sunnis" who do ascribe partners to God (like Christians), knowingly or unknowingly. But God will not forgive such ignorance. This is clearly mentioned in the Qur'an.