Quran only?
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Hope4, i did some research, apparently a man in Iraq by the name of "Al-hijjaj ibn Yusuf" ordered the Quran to be in jizo`. so it started from him and spread..
Way before Ottoman time..
I was just talking to someone, apparently the purpose is because Ramadan is 29-30 days so that way the whole Quran is complete by end of Ramadan.
Salam
Peace Sarah
Thank you for your research it makes sense now. I guess its not a requirement that you need to read a whole jizo of the quran everytime you read it as my family thinks. Rather its an easy way to split the reading into equal portions to be read over ramadan. Again thank you for that.
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Hope
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Peace Hope,
There's absolutely nothing useless in reciting the Quran whether you understood it or not. Just open your heart and pray for guidance and you will get whatever you need to get. The message itself is spiritual. It is far bigger and deeper than earthly language. The message is clear, simple and direct no one needs to go to any details or explanations or even reciting the Quran to get the message and guidance.
For believers, Quran is but one means to stir what is already within (that which is nearer than the jugular vein). Whether illiterate or non Arab, a believer can get it and heal from it. Those who don't believe and need to be convinced won't get it no matter what.handshakepeace
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Thank you for that reminder and you put your point through very nicely. I suppose different people will take different things from the Quran and the fact you said that the Quran is one means to stir what is already there makes sense. I do also agree that although I do not understand arabic when the Quran is recited I do feel a sense of peace. However, for over 30 years I have concentrated on recitation of the Quran and trying to learn by heart some suras, however for the past 4 to 5 months I have started to try to understand what the message is, through research and reading articles, intepretations of the Quran both in english and turkish and I can honestly say I feel my faith is greater now than it was in the past, specially as I have found answers to many of the questions I had in my head. But yes for about 30+ years of my life I did find peace by listening to the Quran but all I new about Islam was all hear-say.
So I agree with you that recitation without understanding is one means to stir what is already within and I take back my saying or using the word useless. But the main aim or goal should be to understand the message as 1736 states.
May God guide us in the right direction/path.
Peace
Hope
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Peace Hope,
There's absolutely nothing useless in reciting the Quran whether you understood it or not. Just open your heart and pray for guidance and you will get whatever you need to get. The message itself is spiritual. It is far bigger and deeper than earthly language. The message is clear, simple and direct no one needs to go to any details or explanations or even reciting the Quran to get the message and guidance.
For believers, Quran is but one means to stir what is already within (that which is nearer than the jugular vein). Whether illiterate or non Arab, a believer can get it and heal from it. Those who don't believe and need to be convinced won't get it no matter what.handshakepeace
That is call faith and it is good but without understanding the massage will create more idiots as it already did. &
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There is good and bad people in all religions and walks of life. Its up to us to differentiate the wicked from the good and take note of the path we pick for ourselves. Please lets not lable any sec or group as being collectively evil or misguided, but lets concentrate on ourselves and try to take the best examples to help us achieve righteousness. I have been guilty of this in the past and its not good.
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Hope
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Peace
There is good and bad people in all religions and walks of life. Its up to us to differentiate the wicked from the good and take note of the path we pick for ourselves. Please lets not lable any sec or group as being collectively evil or misguided, but lets concentrate on ourselves and try to take the best examples to help us achieve righteousness. I have been guilty of this in the past and its not good.
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Hope
Sects are competitions between understandings.
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they say there will be 71 christian ones, 72 jewish ones, 73 muslim ones... you know what they say... i heard there's several thousand just christian sects... i'm sure there more then 100 muslim ones, at least over last 1400 years... which kinda denotes the whole 71,72,73 thing...
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Not sure I understood you there. Do you mean that sects are in competition with each other?
Yes, when one's understanding becomes the right one while all else is false! When you belong to a sect it is like telling the others that you are smarter, that you know better, etc.. and so you ought to be stronger than the other in order to protect and defend your understanding and the sect that holds and supports that understanding from the other, and so forth..
Say, "He is the Able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your feet or to dress you (put onto) you sects and make you taste the violence of one another." Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand. (665)
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they say there will be 71 christian ones, 72 jewish ones, 73 muslim ones... you know what they say... i heard there's several thousand just christian sects... i'm sure there more then 100 muslim ones, at least over last 1400 years... which kinda denotes the whole 71,72,73 thing...
i know nobody asked, just thought i mention it hope nobody mindsPeace,
Respectfully.Who are they?
Little green men?
And why are they green?
Too much vegetables?
Have a banana.Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.Who are they?
Little green men?
And why are they green?
Too much vegetables?
Have a banana.Peace.
bravo nice!
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I have a long weekend, i may not get back to you but inshallah I look forward to discussing your post as soon as I get a chance.
Please take the poll i have posted to see where Quran onliers stand with regards to hadith (i tried to capture as much of the variant positions as possible).I guess the weekend seems to be very very long indeed.... sun
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Allah only revealed one book to the prophet muhammad "bigmo on the money" not satisfied with what God sent huh?
Then add to it and take away from it. But you will have to account for it.
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Wama min dabbatin fee al-ardi wala ta-irin yateeru bijanahayhi illa omamun amthalukum ma farratna fee alkitabi min shay-in thumma ila rabbihim yuhsharoona
YUSUFALI There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.
PICKTHAL There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
SHAKIR And there is no animal that walks upon the earth nor a bird that flies with its two wings but (they are) genera like yourselves; We have not neglected anything in the Book, then to their Lord shall they be gathered.
KHALIFA All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.006.114
Afaghayra Allahi abtaghee hakaman wahuwa allathee anzala ilaykumu alkitaba mufassalan waallatheena ataynahumu alkitaba yaAAlamoona annahu munazzalun min rabbika bialhaqqi fala takoonanna mina almumtareena
YUSUFALI Say "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.
PICKTHAL Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers.
SHAKIR Shall I then seek a judge other than Allah? And He it is Who has revealed to you the Book (which is) made plain; and those whom We have given the Book know that it is revealed by your Lord with truth, therefore you should not be of the disputers.
KHALIFA Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.But know one thing for sure, God does not need the help of buhkari,muslim, or any other fabricator.
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becareful_knowledge/hadith arguer having the nerve of arguing for hadith authenticity...just stop. Even the most prominent sunni's (their voice mp3 lectures, pdf files) are getting refuted by little old me. There is no point in arguing an ended debate. Sunni islam is 100% arbitrary and based on man-made traditions. The Quran is not even 80% of sharia' but 100% the halal version of music and an easy way to heaven simply via recitation laugh. Even the hadith saying uttering some words praising God forgives a sin each time proves it. Since this is in the general sense a sin of rape and a sin of infant slaughter can be forgiven with a "subhanallah + walhamdulillah". giveup
I bet Bukhari did not even make tafsir for verses 456 + 6837 otherwise they would have been pretty laughable.