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Did Jesus Christ have a father?

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    TheJoker
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    mention the verse which indicates he had a father!

    mention the verse which indicates Moses had a father

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      Jafar
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      mention the verse which indicates Moses had a father

      mention the verse which says Salih had a father and mother..
      laugh

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        Jafar
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        Peace

        But there is a condition called as Sex Reversal .In this condition there are
        XY = females
        XX = Males
        http//www.lds-mormon.com/gender1.shtml

        From the same mormon's article it is also said

        "There are also individuals who are chromosomal females with XX chromosomes but who develop as males. Again, the condition may not be evident until puberty."

        Thus Jesus was borned female? and became male after puberty?
        Or perhaps Jesus was actually female after all! <-- there are people who also believe as such.

        http//gallery.photo.net/photo/6743113-md.jpg

        To me the proposed scenario above was.... less likely..

        In a Quran it is clearly stated that Mary had a baby boy..

        Salam / Peace

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          unknownuser
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          We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents

          Jesus had no father, he was not a human.

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            Q_student
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            We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents

            Jesus had no father, he was not a human.

            Peace
            The same Question applies to Adam. Was he having father and mother ? or He was not a human being ?
            regards

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              unknownuser
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              Peace
              The same Question applies to Adam. Was he having father and mother ? or He was not a human being ?
              regards

              salaam brother

              if he too had no parent he too was not a human.

              would you please translate the following for me

              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598981.msg219956#msg219956

              peace

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                Meteora
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                Belief in the Quran means belief Jesus hadn't a father. Factaymo.

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                  Q_student
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                  salaam brother

                  if he too had no parent he too was not a human.

                  would you please translate the following for me

                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598981.msg219956#msg219956

                  peace

                  What it has to do with birth of Jesus AH ?
                  Secondly I am not Arabic or Quran expert just a "student".
                  BTW Tomorrow when some Cloned babies are born ,from where you will bring "waalidan" for them ?
                  Regards

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                    TheJoker
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                    What it has to do with birth of Jesus AH ?
                    Secondly I am not Arabic or Quran expert just a "student".
                    BTW Tomorrow when some Cloned babies are born ,from where you will bring "waalidan" for them ?
                    Regards

                    Wrong thread

                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598981.msg219956#msg219956

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                      Freemind0
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                      mention the verse which indicates Moses had a father

                      what is the real meaning of this verse Mary says "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" verse 47. What does it really mean? why did she say no man has ever touched me. just stick to this verse.

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                        TheJoker
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                        At that point no 'bashar' had touched her...

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                          Freemind0
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                          At that point no 'bashar' had touched her...

                          can you be clear. you mean she said this to her Lord before she had married?

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                            What it has to do with birth of Jesus AH ?
                            Secondly I am not Arabic or Quran expert just a "student".
                            BTW Tomorrow when some Cloned babies are born ,from where you will bring "waalidan" for them ?
                            Regards

                            salaam brother

                            I've checked all the newspapers of today and none has mentioned that tomorrow any cloned baby is gonna born, so your information is not correct. secondly I asked you to translate not to tease you but I admire your knowledge of arabic language elhamdulillah.

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                              At that point no 'bashar' had touched her...

                              she was not kidding to her Lord. She said she will never be touched by any human, so her Lord arranged for her another way. don't try that at home

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                                Jafar
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                                she was not kidding to her Lord. She said she will never be touched by any human, so her Lord arranged for her another way. don't try that at home

                                "She said she will never be touched by any human"
                                Where's is it that statement came from?

                                Man you sound like a catholic.. Virgin Mary, kept her virginity, even after Jesus was born..

                                Salam / Peace

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                                  Alen
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                                  In traditional Christianity his father was God. In non-traditional Christianity his father was Joseph

                                  Peace,
                                  Respectfully.

                                  This is what i find difficult regaridng the trinity and the Father being the father of messenger/prophet Jesus.
                                  If The Father is The Father of Jesus, then how come at the same time, Jesus is god in the flesh? Is he then his own dad?
                                  Furthermore, if Jesus is god in the flesh, then does that mean, that Jesus is not human but above-human, a nonterrestrial being? How can Mary the virgin (human) then give birth to a non-human?

                                  No offence, just asking.
                                  I've spoken to several Christians here regarding this and we are yet to find the solution to this.
                                  Glory be to our God.
                                  Peace.

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                                    TAJ
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                                    Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allh is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.

                                    Easa (Jesus) was not only fatherless but also motherless. Mariam (The Virgin Mary) was his surrogate mother. She received him in her womb already made. Her (egg) did not have a part in his making.

                                    (1919)

                                    He said, "I am but the messenger of your Lord to give you (as a gift) a pure boy."

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                                      Peace,
                                      Respectfully.

                                      This is what i find difficult regaridng the trinity and the Father being the father of messenger/prophet Jesus.
                                      If The Father is The Father of Jesus, then how come at the same time, Jesus is god in the flesh? Is he then his own dad?
                                      Furthermore, if Jesus is god in the flesh, then does that mean, that Jesus is not human but above-human, a nonterrestrial being? How can Mary the virgin (human) then give birth to a non-human?

                                      No offence, just asking.
                                      I've spoken to several Christians here regarding this and we are yet to find the solution to this.
                                      Glory be to our God.
                                      Peace.

                                      Also, if Jesus was God, why would he go out into the desert to pray to himself?

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                                        ardee
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                                        Brothers and sisters, the answer is simple.

                                        The Quran states in Surah Maryam the following And I quote several translations

                                        Maryam 019020
                                        She said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me? For, never have I been a loose woman!" (346), (192.

                                        Maryam 019021
                                        He said "So (it will be) Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us' It is a matter (so) decreed."

                                        He said So (it will be). Thy Lord saith It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.

                                        He said, 'Even so thy Lord has said "Easy is that for Me; and that We may appoint him a sign unto men and a mercy from Us; it is a thing decreed."'

                                        He said Even so; your Lord says It is easy to Me and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.

                                        He said, "This is true but your Lord says, "It is very easy for Me. We have decided to give you a son as evidence (of Our existence) for human beings and a mercy from Us. This is a decree already ordained."

                                        He said, "Thus said your Lord, `It is easy for Me. We will render him a sign for the people, and mercy from us. This is a predestined matter.' "

                                        He said "So (it will be), your Lord said That is easy for Me (Allah) And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah). "

                                        He said, "Thus ; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter decreed.' "

                                        The angel replied "So shall it be -Your Lord says `It is easy for Me. We wish to make him a Sign for mankind and a blessing from Us? - and this matter has already been decreed."

                                        The angel answered, "Thus it is; but your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, so that We make him a symbol for people and a grace from Us. (A symbol of belief and disbelief, with the grace of Revelation). And it is a thing decreed." (346-47).

                                        He said So (it will be). Thy Lord says It is easy to Me; and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter decreed.

                                        He said "It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him a sign for mankind and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained."

                                        Gabriel replied, so shall it be Thy Lord saith, this is easy with Me; and We will perform it, that We may ordain him for a sign unto men, and a mercy from Us For it is a thing which is decreed.

                                        He said "So shall it be. Thy Lord hath said 'Easy is this with me;' and we will make him a sign to mankind, and a mercy from us. For it is a thing decreed."

                                        answered "Thus it is; thy Sustainer says, `This is easy for Me;" and so that We might make him a symbol unto mankind and an act of grace from US.-16 And it was a thing decreed

                                        All these translations show that the angle said that it will be!

                                        Now ask ourselves the question, What will be?

                                        What is meant that ?will be??

                                        It clearly it means that this will happen!

                                        So, we ask, what will happen?

                                        Only two possibilities are there, viz, the lawful and the unlawful. No third possibility is indicated by the said verse.

                                        Maryam said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me? The angel replied "So shall it be", or ?So (it will be)?

                                        What does "so it will be mean?

                                        Answer, that indeed a man wil touch her lawfully as she was a woman who guarded her chasticy.

                                        Clearly Maryam will marry a man and that man will ?touch? her.

                                        Cn you see how simple it is?

                                        A positive approach, because she was not a loose woman, as the Quran states as, "For, never have I been a loose woman!" (346), (192.

                                        So simple, no unusual occurrence, no miracle at all.

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                                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                                          Also, if Jesus was God, why would he go out into the desert to pray to himself?

                                          yes that is a good point!

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