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Peace quickduck,
You are shaking hand with the devil.
358 The one whose evil work is adorned and he sees it as being good. God thus misguides whom he wills, and He guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself grieve over them. God is fully aware of what they are doing.
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I would just like to add something to the discussion on the real meaning of Ramadan. I have just read a book entitled "Islam a concise introduction" by Neal Robinson and according to him, Ramadan does indeed mean "scorcher" and in pre-Islamic Arabia, since the Arabs operated with a luni-solar year, it was a direct reference to the midsummer month. After arriving in Medina, Mohammad ordered his followers to fast on Ashura (the Jewish Day of Atonement). Shortly afterwards, Ashura was identified with the tenth of Muharram (the first month of the Muslim Year). However, after the Muslims broke up with the Jews, the obligatory month-long fast of Ramadan was instituted and the observance of Ashura became optional. Here is how Neal Robinson explains it
1- prescribed fasting on the Jewish Day of Atonement. The reference to "days" implied that the Muslims also fasted in the period leading up to it. In addition to Ashura, they may have fasted on the first three days of every month, as some traditions suggest.
2- was added, instituting the fast of Ramadan.
3- was added to make clear that fasting should not begin before dawn.In addition, shortly before the Prophet died, he received a revelation which abolished the lunisolar calendar and replaced it with a purely lunar one. This had the effect of making Ramadan migrate through the seasons as it does now.
For those who don't know, the break between the Muslims and Jews occured as a result of Mohammad's followers attacking a caravan in Medina, which resulted in bloodshed. Hostilities began to arise between the two groups, and according to the author, God ordered the Muslims to distinguish themselves from the Jews this is why the qibla changed from Jerusalem to Mecca, and the days of fasting changed from the Ashura to the Ramadan that we know today.Another interesting remark according to Neal Robinson, some commentators cite a tradition to the effect that the first Christians were ordered to fast in Ramadan, but that finding this too arduous, they moved the fast to the spring and extended it by twenty days as a penance for what they have done. From what I have understood, the writer does not find this account historically accurate (?).
I hope that I was clear enough for everyone to understand. I am only relating what I read, in case someone might be interested in a different view.
Peace,
Muse
496 O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done.
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Piece of advice, don't act like a cronie if you don't want to get bullied in this thread. rotfl
Peace Rami
Very childish, sound like a playground bully. If you want to do that sort of thing, I am sure you are in the wrong chat room, try yahoo.
Peace
Hope
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358 The one whose evil work is adorned and he sees it as being good. God thus misguides whom he wills, and He guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself grieve over them. God is fully aware of what they are doing.
Say Surely Allah makes him who will go astray, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).
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Peace Nabil,
I have been very confused and messed up too in my life, you know, so I do tend to forgive up to a large point.
Again off track, Jinns' cosmogony in the Quran convinces me that they are other beings, and in fact the truth about them is probably far more fantastic than I may imagine, and among other things they seem to have the ability to seep into humans dna in subjects of particular weaknesses/boodlines, but this is very classified research results.I would be interested in learning more from you. Generally speaking though, I have found the universal concepts talked about in the great reading surprisingly easy to understand once one gets to see beyond preconceptions. So my intuition tells me that "jinn" is similarly something that everyone can empiricaly verify in their everyday lives without the need to look into DNA or any highly classified research.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Hope4,
Very childish, sound like a playground bully. If you want to do that sort of thing, I am sure you are in the wrong chat room, try yahoo.
I think that you misunderstood Rami. He was actually laughing at the paranoid attitude of Progressive1993 (and now Farida) against Muse or anyone that thinks of questioning (or as in the case of Muse simply sharing others' views) on the traditional arbitrary timing.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Hope4,
I think that you misunderstood Rami. He was actually laughing at the paranoid attitude of Progressive1993 (and now Farida) against Muse or anyone that thinks of questioning (or as in the case of Muse simply sharing others' views) on the traditional arbitrary timing.
Peace,
Ayman
3543 Arrogance on Earth, and evil scheming. And the evil schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past? You will not find any change in God's way, and you will not find any bypass to God's way.
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Peace Hope4,
I think that you misunderstood Rami. He was actually laughing at the paranoid attitude of Progressive1993 (and now Farida) against Muse or anyone that thinks of questioning (or as in the case of Muse simply sharing others' views) on the traditional arbitrary timing.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman
Thankyou for pointing that out to me and may Rami please accept my appologies. peace
Peace
Hope
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Peace Ayman
Thankyou for pointing that out to me and may Rami please accept my appologies. peace
Peace
Hope
You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reverences the Almighty while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
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Peace Ayman,
I think some of us here have issues (cough cough ~##)
anyways classified means classified... (a hint Monsanto)...
as for preconceptions, the Quran in several numerous descriptions of Jinns in many contexts
does not leave much room but to accept that they are beings, albeit from another realm time/space
continuum adjacent/contiguous to ours, it is like us living in 2D and them in 3D so they have an extra edge,
but it could be far more complex, especially if as it has been put forward by some, they are plasma beings.
Of course you are very materialistic and minimalistic in your views so whatever you cannot see, or break
down into a smallest denominator you will disregard.
I am the opposite, looking at things as possibilities, otherwise, why do I believe in Allah whom I do not see,
it is not such a big leap that if He advises me that there are beings out there who are beyond the frequency range of
my vision or senses, I will as a matter of fact believe Him, one follows the other.
And indeed I am convinced this is what it is, they operate beyond frequency ranges that our senses and instruments can measure,
and they are able to lower their frequencies to morph into our realm to manipulate when/if they can.
This is why Allah asks us to protect ourselves against the devious among them.
Now on a conspiratorial note, some believe that there is an ongoing program to make humans even more susceptible to these
jinns manipulations with GM food, and psychotropic medicines and dna manipulations.
The Quran does prophesise that humans will in the future modify God's creation, and it is happening... -
You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reverences the Almighty while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
Peace Farida
You seem to be talk in riddles, whats your problem? I suggest you are spending too much time on the internet. May I suggest a life!
Peace
Hope
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Peace Farida
You seem to be talk in riddles, whats your problem? I suggest you are spending too much time on the internet. May I suggest a life!
Peace
Hope
When the Qur'an is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace that ye may receive Mercy.
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Ah, lovely. A ramadhan thread has been turned into Sunday service.
Peace Ayman,
I think some of us here have issues (cough cough ~##)
anyways classified means classified... (a hint Monsanto)...
as for preconceptions, the Quran in several numerous descriptions of Jinns in many contexts
does not leave much room but to accept that they are beings, albeit from another realm time/space
continuum adjacent/contiguous to ours, it is like us living in 2D and them in 3D so they have an extra edge,
but it could be far more complex, especially if as it has been put forward by some, they are plasma beings.
Of course you are very materialistic and minimalistic in your views so whatever you cannot see, or break
down into a smallest denominator you will disregard.
I am the opposite, looking at things as possibilities, otherwise, why do I believe in Allah whom I do not see,
it is not such a big leap that if He advises me that there are beings out there who are beyond the frequency range of
my vision or senses, I will as a matter of fact believe Him, one follows the other.
And indeed I am convinced this is what it is, they operate beyond frequency ranges that our senses and instruments can measure,
and they are able to lower their frequencies to morph into our realm to manipulate when/if they can.
This is why Allah asks us to protect ourselves against the devious among them.
Now on a conspiratorial note, some believe that there is an ongoing program to make humans even more susceptible to these
jinns manipulations with GM food, and psychotropic medicines and dna manipulations.
The Quran does prophesise that humans will in the future modify God's creation, and it is happening...Peace,
Don't take this as a charge;but, what does this have to with ramadan? I am, simply, trying to follow this thread.
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Peace All,
I decided not to argue anymore in this thread
Farida decided to tell us good byeI rest my case. Good bye everyone .
Surprisingly, she gave her login/password to that Grown Beard Imam to continue posting on her name. Let's see if it is correct...
The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reverences the Almighty while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
3543 Arrogance on Earth, and evil scheming. And the evil schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past? You will not find any change in God's way, and you will not find any bypass to God's way.
496 O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done.
358 The one whose evil work is adorned and he sees it as being good. God thus misguides whom he wills, and He guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself grieve over them. God is fully aware of what they are doing.
Farida has definitly turned onto a FULLY GROWN BEARD IMAM.
Forget the old bankrupt Farida, it's now up to the imam to Curse and Scare those who come to this forum seeking the truth !
Pathetic !!
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Peace All,
I decided not to argue anymore in this thread
Farida decided to tell us good byeSurprisingly, she gave her login/password to that Grown Beard Imam to continue posting on her name. Let's see if it is correct...
Farida has definitly turned onto a FULLY GROWN BEARD IMAM.
Forget the old bankrupt Farida, it's now up to the imam to Curse and Scare those who come to this forum seeking the truth !
Pathetic !!
And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord's revelations, then he turns away from them? We will exact a punishment from the criminals.