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Peace Hope4,
Very childish, sound like a playground bully. If you want to do that sort of thing, I am sure you are in the wrong chat room, try yahoo.
I think that you misunderstood Rami. He was actually laughing at the paranoid attitude of Progressive1993 (and now Farida) against Muse or anyone that thinks of questioning (or as in the case of Muse simply sharing others' views) on the traditional arbitrary timing.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Hope4,
I think that you misunderstood Rami. He was actually laughing at the paranoid attitude of Progressive1993 (and now Farida) against Muse or anyone that thinks of questioning (or as in the case of Muse simply sharing others' views) on the traditional arbitrary timing.
Peace,
Ayman
3543 Arrogance on Earth, and evil scheming. And the evil schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past? You will not find any change in God's way, and you will not find any bypass to God's way.
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Peace Hope4,
I think that you misunderstood Rami. He was actually laughing at the paranoid attitude of Progressive1993 (and now Farida) against Muse or anyone that thinks of questioning (or as in the case of Muse simply sharing others' views) on the traditional arbitrary timing.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman
Thankyou for pointing that out to me and may Rami please accept my appologies. peace
Peace
Hope
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Peace Ayman
Thankyou for pointing that out to me and may Rami please accept my appologies. peace
Peace
Hope
You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reverences the Almighty while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
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Peace Ayman,
I think some of us here have issues (cough cough ~##)
anyways classified means classified... (a hint Monsanto)...
as for preconceptions, the Quran in several numerous descriptions of Jinns in many contexts
does not leave much room but to accept that they are beings, albeit from another realm time/space
continuum adjacent/contiguous to ours, it is like us living in 2D and them in 3D so they have an extra edge,
but it could be far more complex, especially if as it has been put forward by some, they are plasma beings.
Of course you are very materialistic and minimalistic in your views so whatever you cannot see, or break
down into a smallest denominator you will disregard.
I am the opposite, looking at things as possibilities, otherwise, why do I believe in Allah whom I do not see,
it is not such a big leap that if He advises me that there are beings out there who are beyond the frequency range of
my vision or senses, I will as a matter of fact believe Him, one follows the other.
And indeed I am convinced this is what it is, they operate beyond frequency ranges that our senses and instruments can measure,
and they are able to lower their frequencies to morph into our realm to manipulate when/if they can.
This is why Allah asks us to protect ourselves against the devious among them.
Now on a conspiratorial note, some believe that there is an ongoing program to make humans even more susceptible to these
jinns manipulations with GM food, and psychotropic medicines and dna manipulations.
The Quran does prophesise that humans will in the future modify God's creation, and it is happening... -
You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reverences the Almighty while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
Peace Farida
You seem to be talk in riddles, whats your problem? I suggest you are spending too much time on the internet. May I suggest a life!
Peace
Hope
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Peace Farida
You seem to be talk in riddles, whats your problem? I suggest you are spending too much time on the internet. May I suggest a life!
Peace
Hope
When the Qur'an is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace that ye may receive Mercy.
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Ah, lovely. A ramadhan thread has been turned into Sunday service.
Peace Ayman,
I think some of us here have issues (cough cough ~##)
anyways classified means classified... (a hint Monsanto)...
as for preconceptions, the Quran in several numerous descriptions of Jinns in many contexts
does not leave much room but to accept that they are beings, albeit from another realm time/space
continuum adjacent/contiguous to ours, it is like us living in 2D and them in 3D so they have an extra edge,
but it could be far more complex, especially if as it has been put forward by some, they are plasma beings.
Of course you are very materialistic and minimalistic in your views so whatever you cannot see, or break
down into a smallest denominator you will disregard.
I am the opposite, looking at things as possibilities, otherwise, why do I believe in Allah whom I do not see,
it is not such a big leap that if He advises me that there are beings out there who are beyond the frequency range of
my vision or senses, I will as a matter of fact believe Him, one follows the other.
And indeed I am convinced this is what it is, they operate beyond frequency ranges that our senses and instruments can measure,
and they are able to lower their frequencies to morph into our realm to manipulate when/if they can.
This is why Allah asks us to protect ourselves against the devious among them.
Now on a conspiratorial note, some believe that there is an ongoing program to make humans even more susceptible to these
jinns manipulations with GM food, and psychotropic medicines and dna manipulations.
The Quran does prophesise that humans will in the future modify God's creation, and it is happening...Peace,
Don't take this as a charge;but, what does this have to with ramadan? I am, simply, trying to follow this thread.
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Peace All,
I decided not to argue anymore in this thread
Farida decided to tell us good byeI rest my case. Good bye everyone .
Surprisingly, she gave her login/password to that Grown Beard Imam to continue posting on her name. Let's see if it is correct...
The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reverences the Almighty while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
3543 Arrogance on Earth, and evil scheming. And the evil schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past? You will not find any change in God's way, and you will not find any bypass to God's way.
496 O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done.
358 The one whose evil work is adorned and he sees it as being good. God thus misguides whom he wills, and He guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself grieve over them. God is fully aware of what they are doing.
Farida has definitly turned onto a FULLY GROWN BEARD IMAM.
Forget the old bankrupt Farida, it's now up to the imam to Curse and Scare those who come to this forum seeking the truth !
Pathetic !!
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Peace All,
I decided not to argue anymore in this thread
Farida decided to tell us good byeSurprisingly, she gave her login/password to that Grown Beard Imam to continue posting on her name. Let's see if it is correct...
Farida has definitly turned onto a FULLY GROWN BEARD IMAM.
Forget the old bankrupt Farida, it's now up to the imam to Curse and Scare those who come to this forum seeking the truth !
Pathetic !!
And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord's revelations, then he turns away from them? We will exact a punishment from the criminals.
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Peace Ayman,
You have not answered the question and instead you have given stuff which has nothing to do with the solstice moon "illusion". Here is a hint from
http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16jun_moonillusion.htm
This is significant because the sun and full Moon are like kids on a see-saw; when one is high, the other is low. This week's high solstice sun gives us a low, horizon-hugging Moon and a strong Moon Illusion.
The "illusion" has nothing to do with the actual size of the full-moon. This is why it is called an "illusion". It has to do with the altitude of the full-moon.
From http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast14jun_1.htm
For the same reason that sunsets can be vivid red, the low-hanging moon frequently takes on a beautiful pink or orange hue as a result of scattered moonlight in Earth's dusty atmosphere.
The key here is that this full-moon takes the lowest path accross the horizon compared with other full-moons. ONLY two full-moons are "solstice moons", the one before the sosltice and the one after the solstice. Given the association of the term "ramadhan" with heat then this fits better with the moon AFTER the solstice. Here is the data (for Washington, DC) for the one on July 6 this year compared to the one that you refer to above in December 2008
Data for night of July 6, 2009
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1930 0.6 123.5 1.00
1940 2.0 125.1 1.00
1950 3.5 126.6 1.00
2000 4.9 128.2 1.00
2010 6.4 129.9 1.00
2020 7.8 131.6 1.00
2030 9.2 133.3 1.00
2040 10.5 135.0 1.00
2050 11.9 136.8 1.00
2100 13.1 138.7 1.00
2110 14.4 140.5 1.00
2120 15.6 142.5 1.00
2130 16.7 144.4 1.00
2140 17.8 146.5 1.00
2150 18.8 148.5 1.00
2200 19.8 150.6 1.00
2210 20.7 152.8 1.00
2220 21.5 155.0 1.00
2230 22.3 157.2 1.00
2240 23.0 159.5 1.00
2250 23.7 161.8 1.00
2300 24.2 164.1 1.00
2310 24.7 166.5 1.00
2320 25.1 168.9 1.00
2330 25.5 171.3 1.00
2340 25.7 173.8 1.00
2350 25.9 176.2 1.00Data for night of December 12, 2008
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1650 1.3 56.2 1.00
1700 2.7 57.6 1.00
1710 4.2 59.1 1.00
1720 5.8 60.5 1.00
1730 7.4 61.9 1.00
1740 9.0 63.2 1.00
1750 10.7 64.6 1.00
1800 12.4 65.9 1.00
1810 14.1 67.2 1.00
1820 15.8 68.5 1.00
1830 17.5 69.8 1.00
1840 19.3 71.1 1.00
1850 21.1 72.4 1.00
1900 22.8 73.6 1.00
1910 24.6 74.9 1.00
1920 26.5 76.2 1.00
1930 28.3 77.5 1.00
1940 30.1 78.7 1.00
1950 31.9 80.0 1.00
2000 33.8 81.3 1.00
2010 35.6 82.6 1.00
2020 37.5 84.0 1.00
2030 39.4 85.3 1.00
2040 41.2 86.7 1.00
2050 43.1 88.2 1.00
2100 45.0 89.6 1.00
2110 46.9 91.2 1.00
2120 48.8 92.7 1.00
2130 50.6 94.4 1.00
2140 52.5 96.1 1.00
2150 54.4 97.9 1.00
2200 56.2 99.8 1.00
2210 58.1 101.9 1.00
2220 59.9 104.1 1.00
2230 61.7 106.5 1.00
2240 63.5 109.2 1.00
2250 65.3 112.1 1.00
2300 67.0 115.3 1.00
2310 68.7 118.9 1.00
2320 70.3 123.1 1.00
2330 71.9 127.8 1.00
2340 73.3 133.2 1.00
2350 74.6 139.5 1.00Notice that the one on July 6 rose to a an altitude of less than 26 degress by midnight. On the other hand, the one in December rose much higher to an altitude of 74.6 degrees by the same time. In addition, notice the rate of climb for the July 6 scorching full-moon is much lower than the one in December. The low altitude and the slow climb is what gives the solstice moon illusion and the red color as the low altitude lasts for a long time, unlike the moon in December that climbs very quickly.
http//facstaff.uww.edu/mccreadd/intro9.htm
As explained in the above article there are different theories on the full moon illusion and interesting Azimuth is derived from Arabic ('as-simt', which means direction, referring...Full moon rising from the 2500 year old temple of Poseidon
Image taken Jun. 18, 2008 Location Sounio, Greece.
http//spaceweather.com/swpod2008/19jun08/Elias-Chasiotis1_strip2.jpgWhat is certain the FULL MOON ILLUSION which I saw last year after sunset as above...
2008 June 18 BEFORE the solstice was HUGE!
2008 July 18 AFTER the solstice -- was there a moon illusion, did you see it last year, Ayman?
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
Data for July 18, 2008 http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.phpTime Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
0000 27.0 177.4 1.00
0010 27.0 179.9 1.00
0020 27.0 182.4 1.00
0030 26.9 184.9 1.00
0040 26.7 187.4 1.00
0050 26.5 189.9 1.00
0100 26.1 192.4 1.00
0110 25.7 194.8 1.00
0120 25.2 197.2 1.00
0130 24.6 199.6 1.00
0140 24.0 202.0 1.00
0150 23.3 204.3 1.00
0200 22.5 206.5 1.00
0210 21.6 208.8 1.00
0220 20.7 211.0 1.00
0230 19.7 213.1 1.00
0240 18.7 215.2 1.00
0250 17.6 217.2 1.00
0300 16.4 219.3 1.00
0310 15.2 221.2 1.00
0320 14.0 223.1 1.00
0330 12.7 225.0 1.00
0340 11.4 226.8 1.00
0350 10.0 228.6 1.00
0400 8.6 230.4 1.00
0410 7.2 232.1 1.00
0420 5.7 233.8 1.00
0430 4.2 235.4 1.00
0440 2.8 237.0 1.00
0450 1.3 238.6 1.00
0500 -0.1 240.2 1.00
0510 -2.3 241.7 1.00
0520 -4.0 243.2 1.00
0530 -5.6 244.7 1.00
0540 -7.3 246.1 1.00
0550 -9.0 247.6 1.00
0600 -10.8 249.0 1.001900 -11.2 108.0 1.00
1910 -9.4 109.4 1.00
1920 -7.6 110.8 1.00
1930 -5.9 112.3 1.00
1940 -4.1 113.7 1.00
1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 after sunset
2020 2.9 119.7 0.99
2030 4.5 121.3 0.99
2040 6.1 122.9 0.99
2050 7.7 124.5 0.99
2100 9.2 126.2 0.99
2110 10.7 127.9 0.99
2120 12.2 129.7 0.99
2130 13.7 131.5 0.99
2140 15.1 133.3 0.99
2150 16.4 135.2 0.99
2200 17.8 137.2 0.99
2210 19.1 139.2 0.99
2220 20.3 141.2 0.99
2230 21.5 143.3 0.99
2240 22.6 145.5 0.99
2250 23.7 147.7 0.99
2300 24.7 149.9 0.99
2310 25.6 152.2 0.99
2320 26.5 154.6 0.99
2330 27.3 157.0 0.99
2340 28.0 159.5 0.99
2350 28.7 162.0 0.99FACT is your kill season and full moons "drift" after the solstice from June 21 to July 20...
You don't fast a full-moon so if this is the meaning then this is why how long the fast id given in 2184-185, otherwise saying the fast is for a few days and saying that it is for a month would be contradictory or at best redundant.
It can go either way as the preceding "hu" refers to the "abstinence that was dictated on you".
Not redundant, a few days is relative (i.e. a week, a month, a year) and to fast a month is not a big deal.
Please address the question about full moon illusion last year, YES/NO and we can move on to the others.
Peace
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Peace Nabil,
I think that Farida is confused because I said that many of the so-called Sahaba probably didn't exist. Since she hero-worships those people, this made her confused. What I am saying is not something amazing or extra ordinary. For example, many researchers think that Abu Hurayra didn't exist and was invented by later generations.
On the other hand, it is sectarians like the people that Farida blindly follows who have fantacized a false Muhammed who split the moon and sits next to the god and takes them into paradise on the day of the account! This false Muhammed, like all idols, is a product of the fantasy/"jinn".
Peace,
Ayman
Attention Moderators
Salaam everyone,
I would like you to stop this malicious campaign and stop Ayman from spreading deliberate lies, as my reply below reflects my stance
Peace Ayman,
I am sorry; your ranting has gone sooo boring that I don't even bother to read your full reply...you are like a kid who, wanting to have the last world, puts his fingers in his ears and, with eyes closed repeats you you you you you. )
You know what; I understand the reason that gave birth to Muslim and Bukhari. It was because of people exactly like you, who were hell bent on destroying the deen, that the need arose for hadiths ... and again a disguised satan, in the form of Abu Huraira, sneaked in there too like in movie the "Devil's advocate".
peace
Ps In fact you have given yourself too much credit in believing that you can replace the Prophet.I would also like the readers and the moderators to make a note that I bade goodbye to this circular discussion, but not to this thread.
Ayman, seeing that I have left the discussion, taking advantage of my absence and starting his spiteful propaganda again as everyone can see in his reply above and in the interast of decency and fairness I would request the moderators to investigage and put an end to this at their earliest.Best wishes and regards
farida -
Attention Moderators
Ayman, seeing that I have left the discussion, taking advantage of my absence and starting his spiteful propaganda again as everyone can see in his above and in the interast of decency and fairness I would request the moderators to investigage and put an end to this at their earliest.
Best wishes and regards
faridaYou never left this thread, let alone circular arguing, for more than 4 hours. timing of your yesterday's posts are proof that you are lying.
You came back , in your grown beard Imam Jellaba, less than 4 hours after you bade goodbye and started again acting like " a kid who, wanting to have the last word, puts his fingers in his ears and, with eyes closed repeats Allah will curse YOU YOU YOU YOU ! "
Moderators are not the blind ones.
salam