Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Ayman,
babbling
We were discussing THE FULL MOON ILLUSION that you are too proud to admit is NOT applicable.
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php
Data for June 18, 2008 FULL MOON 131 PM
1950 -2.9 124.1 1.00
2000 -1.3 125.6 1.00
2010 0.7 127.1 1.00 HUGE FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER SUNSET!
2020 2.0 128.6 1.00Summer Solstice June 21, 2008
Data for July 17, 2008
1920 -1.7 120.7 1.00
1930 0.4 122.2 1.00 was this the full moon illusion?
1940 1.8 123.7 1.00Data for July 18, 2008 Full Moon 359 AM Ayman's HOT MOON
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 not full moon after sunset; was this the illusion?
2020 2.9 119.7 0.99Answer the TWO simple YES or NO questions that I asked you.
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Does THE FULL MOON ILLUSION have anything to do with it?
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Did you see THE FULL MOON ILLUSION last year after the solstice?
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Peace TheJoker,
I have a question for those who uphold that shahr = month, in this context.
2185 says that the quran was sent down in this month (sic)
In truth, wasn't the quran sent down in stages? 2532 and 17106
I read it as descended/began in a night in the month of Ramadan (first stage); the rest like this surah came later obviously...
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8012(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, (1) Because there came to him the blind man (2) And how can you know that he might become pure? (3) Or that he might receive admonition, and that the admonition might profit him? (4) As for him who thinks himself self-sufficient, (5) To him you attend; (6) What does it matter to you if he will not become pure (from disbelief, you are only a Messenger, your duty is to convey the Message of All?h) (7) But as to him who came to you running ( And is afraid (of All?h and His Punishment), (9) Of him you are neglectful and divert your attention to another, (10) Nay, indeed it (this Qur'?n) is an admonition, (11) So whoever wills, let him pay attention to it. (12)
All those who make the intent (witness) to do so should fast the month including the blind!
There is nothing more clearer than the above.
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Peace TheJoker,
I read it as descended/began in a night in the month of Ramadan (first stage); the rest like this surah came later obviously...
Peace all,
You still didn't get it. OK ? Here is it in slow mo..
1- there are TWO forms of descending/revealing the quran, i mean in the quran ANZALA, and NAZZALA. Unfortunately, all the translations do't make any difference between the TWO, and treat them as "descending/descendu/bajado...etc.."
2- this is for arabic speakers (you, bilal)
NAZZALA....YUNAZZILO...TANZEELAN
ANZALA...YUNZILO....INZAALAN
Can you please tell me the difference between both ?
Witing for the answer
salam
By the way, if you will call your self a Cheerleader Captain, please you need to change your Gender Symbol.
the cheerleader captain is not an idea of mine, it's guest's and nun's ;D
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Dear Belal .
No matter how much powerful arguement you bring it is going to be useless because you can debate with anyone who has some knowledge but that one who is a heap of ignorance.Regards
Or hell bent on distorting the truth, they are on pay roll after all they make their living out of it. yes
As for us this is what counts; Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Submission as the religion for you.
God bless all those who strive against wrong doers and uphold the system established by the last prophet Mohammad pbuh.
Salaam and happy Ramadan sun
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Peace all,
You still didn't get it. OK ? Here is it in slow mo..
1- there are TWO forms of descending/revealing the quran, i mean in the quran ANZALA, and NAZZALA. Unfortunately, all the translations do't make any difference between the TWO, and treat them as "descending/descendu/bajado...etc.."
2- this is for arabic speakers (you, bilal)
NAZZALA....YUNAZZILO...TANZEELAN
ANZALA.......YUNZILO.......INZAALAN
Can you please tell me the difference between both ?
Waiting for the answer
salam
the cheerleader captain is not an idea of mine, it's guest's and nun's ;D
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"Maadood" is a common word which we use in urdu every day, and there is absolutely no doubt about it that it means , "A very limited count"
Isn't it Farida?
Moreover , Rasulhamza was right in pointing out ,when you were trying to confuse ashraa, and "Shahar Ramadhan"
Ashraa, means arabic number 10. and you can call 1 to 10th day of a month as ashraa ae awaal, (first 10 days),11th to 20th as ashraa ul sani, (2nd ten day period) and 21st to 30th as akhari ashraa, ( last ten days), It has got nothing to do with Shahar, or shahar Ramadhan.
I am amazed , that with such ignorance , you are so arrogant?
knowing very well what "Maadood "means, you have chosen to keep quite like a hypocrite?
When some one addresses you with respect as "A SISTER" you bark at him . How do you want to be addressed...?Let me assure you "Ramadhan as a month" is "deep" fried with you being its lawyer, and God save your clients in the real world.
siki
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Ayman, as we have told you before, Madoodat Means Counted...It Does Not Mean 3-10 nor 30 nor 100...it does not mean few, as well...Simply, COUNTED.
Peace
Although "Babylon" is not a dictioary to search for classical meanings, but the result search for " " is "A few days", because it's still the used meaning. Try it for yourself on tis link
http//translation.babylon.com/Arabic/to-English/
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Although "Babylon" is not a dictioary to search for classical meanings, but the result search for " " is "A few days", because it's still the used meaning. Try it for yourself on tis link
http//translation.babylon.com/Arabic/to-English/
30 days are few as compared to 365! thanks
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Peace
Sorry to barge in but a few in proper english means a small number less than 10, so some dudes in this thread need to revise their english
as well as their arabic...
now in improper english, if you want to extend a few you can say "quite a few", and that will stretch it no to more than 13/14... -
Peace Ayman,
Interestingly, the full-moon around the summer solstice is special because it follows a lower path across the sky compared to the rest of the year's full moons and for some reason our brains are wired to perceive such full-moons as larger than normal. In fact, not only will the full-moon seem bigger than normal, but the low-hanging full moon takes on an orange hue as a result of scattered moonlight in Earth's dusty atmosphere.
First you say the summer solstice full moon follows the lower path across the sky. This is your so called Ramadan theory.
The answer is that the TWO full-moons that took the LOWEST path are the full-moons BEFORE and AFTER the summer solstice. This fact is so indisputable that I don't even need to check the data through the link about. However, since you are doubting this then post the data and show me wrong.
Then you say the TWO full moons that took the lowest path are BEFORE and AFTER the summer solstice. You just contradicted yourself. Instead of admitting the mistake you took pride in modifying your lousy theory. This is crazy, unrighteous, and hypocritical.
Now as for ?This fact is so indisputable that I don't even need to check the data through the link about.? I will give you a challenge to determine how certain you are about the stated position. Here is the challenge DO YOU AGREE TO WITHRAW YOUR ARTICLE AND APOLOGIZE TO US IF I PROVE YOU WRONG? Just give me the word and I will provide the evidence.
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"Maadood" is a common word which we use in urdu every day, and there is absolutely no doubt about it that it means , "A very limited count"
sikiSalaaam Siki,
As Rasulhamza pointed out 30 days are few as compared to 365! And that's a human counting not God. Just imagine how long is God's hmm
Say "Whoever is in misguidance, then the Almighty will lead them on." Until they see what they have been promised, either the retribution or the Hour. Then they will know who is in a worst place and weaker in power.Isn't it Farida?
Isn't it Siknder?
Moreover , Rasulhamza was right in pointing out ,when you were trying to confuse ashraa, and "Shahar Ramadhan"
I hope you don?t pick and chose his replies or ! else you can always ask your sister Samia to come up with the interpretation to your choice.
Ashraa, means arabic number 10. and you can call 1 to 10th day of a month as ashraa ae awaal, (first 10 days),11th to 20th as ashraa ul sani, (2nd ten day period) and 21st to 30th as akhari ashraa, ( last ten days),
Thank you for finally addressing Ashraa in Urdu/Arabic.
It has got nothing to do with Shahar, or shahar Ramadhan
Nothing to do with Shahar, You see no obvious common root ???? brickwall
Whatttt . ).. that Ramadhan has nothing to with Ashraa, even if it is clearly in relation to the count of a lunar month/Shahar. yeahI am amazed , that with such ignorance , you are so arrogant?
After all I am from the same country as yours '( but unlike you ;D I know the difference between being cocky and fascist or Nazi. yes
knowing very well what "Maadood "means, you have chosen to keep quite like a hypocrite?
Me keeping quite nope you must be joking laugh
When some one addresses you with respect as "A SISTER" you bark at him . How do you want to be addressed...?
Simply farida which means "unique" yes
Let me assure you "Ramadhan as a month" is "deep" fried with you being its lawyer, and God save your clients in the real world.
Only yesterday your friend Dr Ayman, impressed with my legal skills on this forum asked me to defend him against resourceful Saudi?s.
That says a lot for a female lawyer?s deep frying skills. jedi
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Peace
Ego trips aside,
consider this292 Do people think that they will be left alone because they say "We believe," and will not be tested.
293 And We indeed tested those who were before them. And All?h will certainly make (it) known (the truth
of) those who are true, and will certainly make (it) known (the falsehood of) those who are liars.So I believe one of the issues with those who love calling themselves "Muslims" today, is that they are not only
being severely tested, but those of them who say we believe are not living up to the test and inquiring why they
are failing it, and so helping their unfortunate so-called "brethren and followers" and themselves from a very dangerous fate.A proposed solution?
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Accept the test.
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Pass it (start by humbling the ego is a good start).
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Get Allah's support and help.
No way around it.
The Scholars are brainwashed, they are calling to damnation, it is a mighty test indeed.And if you want a little sign, here is one from yesterday
'Lebanon's Madoff' bankrupted after bouncing $200,000 cheque to Hizbollah
http//www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/lebanons-madoff-bankrupted-after-bouncing-200000-cheque-to-hizbollah-1783407.html226 Verily, All?h is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or so much more when it is
bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. And as for those who believe, they know that it is the Truth
from their Lord, but as for those who disbelieve, they say "What did All?h intend by this parable?"
By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are
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Only those with pure hearts not locked by traditions and preconceptions can understand the great reading.
Talk is cheap. Hypocrites are people who say one way and do another. You are seeing the Qur?an via a polluted dictionary. Your understanding is heavily biased by the dictionary meaning. Therefore, you are locked by your traditions and preconceptions. You just don?t want to admit it.
If one starts from a pure heart, a clean sheet, without preconceptions then one cannot in a million years reach the sectarian calendar based on understanding the great reading.
You satisfy none of these criteria. Your heart is impure and your sheet is full of satanic dictionary words. Therefore, your understanding of Qur?an is off-target and misleading.
I admit that I am guilty of trying to find out the timing without preconceptions and based purely on earnestly seeking to understand the great reading.
A pure lie.