Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Then your question doesnt make sense, since the Sunnis have random restricted months which are not consecutive - totally against what the Quran says.
'you'? THEY are CALLING on the Prophet and mentioning ALONGSIDE GOD. You think that that's not shirk (setting up partners)?
Anyways...what does salat have to do with Ramadan and fasting?
Nothing. I wanted to make a point.
Let the match continue between the Scorching Moon Cronie Intercalators and the Traditional Islam Arbitrary Counters.
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Direct quote from muslim-canada.org/salaat.html
"All greetings, blessings and good acts are from You, my Lord.
Greetings to you, O Prophet, and the mercy and blessings of Allah.
Peace be unto us, and unto the righteous servants of Allah.
I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah.
And I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger."At the end of their salat they say the following (even when praying alone)
"Peace and blessings of God be upon you."
To whom are they adressing this?
7218 The temples are for God, so do not call on anyone alongside God.
Are you trying to tell me that the Sunnis are not setting up partners to God with their salat?3356 that God and His angels enjoin sal?t (blessings, mercy) on the prophet O you who believe call for God?s sal?t (blessings) on him (the prophet) and great greetings.
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Peace Sis farida,
I made my position clear.
I gather my knowledge from whence Allah guides me.
Slandering a Muslim without proof brings a punishment equal to the punishment you accuse him/her of.
What you are talking about is circumstantial.As for the one who asked me about ijtihad, take a good arabic dictionary and it will tell you, and do not give me the quick one that
it does not work because there is no such a word in the Quran, by the way I explained to you ijtihad with all the examples I gave you, you can figure it out...
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Attention Moderators
Salaam everyone,
I would like you to stop this malicious campaign and stop Ayman from spreading deliberate lies, as my reply below reflects my stance
I would also like the readers and the moderators to make a note that I bade goodbye to this circular discussion, but not to this thread.
Ayman, seeing that I have left the discussion, taking advantage of my absence and starting his spiteful propaganda again as everyone can see in his reply above and in the interast of decency and fairness I would request the moderators to investigage and put an end to this at their earliest.Best wishes and regards
faridaSalaam brother Nabil & everyone
I cannot provide a proof that Dr Ayman is working for money on this forum as I would need to access his account details and obviously I can?t do that. However, using Ayman?s favourate term, I can ?empirically verify? that someone is financially compensating Dr Ayman for devoting all his working time, writing in this forum.
From my last years experience on this topic I learned that prolific posting on this forum was as time consuming as a full time job. This year I planned it in such a way that I had my time off work incorporated into the month of Ramadan when I took on this ?jihad?.
Since I came back on this forum from August 16, 2009, and till today, despite not doing my regular work, I still have neglected my family who are quite irritated to see me absorbed in confronting the A-team. Ayman, as compared to me, has been far more prolific than I and has written many more replies to all and sundry, and on more than one topic.
Given the need to support his family, which we know he has, and his high flying lifestyle, beside his full time dedication to this forum, conducting a veritable Guerilla Blog-fare, where can he possibly find the time to go out and earn a living? Unless he is from among the Jinn it simply is not feasible (A lecture here or there will not provide a living).
The repeated reminder from Team Ayman of looming bankruptcy reflects their own fear of what must come if they lose out; I think that Farida's "dark agency" accusations are probably the funniest and most bankrupt argument (= bankrupting Ayman) September 06, 2009, 083300 PM
He has consistently been jumping from one subject to another, like a squirrel in heat, and when defeated he bawls If you are truthful then prove from your investigation of the great reading that Ramadan is the 9th month of a lunar calendar.And so it goes on and on, in circles, like the ripples in a lake where the fish are jumping.He challenged us several time about the uses of the crescent moons, as per 2189, to time the "hajj". I guarantee that you will NEVER be able to answer. Which is off list since I shamed him with my answer. He is in denial of anything that refers to AH (after Hijri)...
Then (out of frustration) he stoops to name calling; eg The Sunnis is as lost as you. Reply #1224 on August 27, 2009,And seeing he has lost his argument he turns to projection, claiming we (rather than he) are panicking Peace Farida and everyone who is having a panic attack as a result of the indisputable fact Reply #1261 on August 30, 2009,... Why in the world would we panic?! Who is paying us? The Saudi perhaps for cursing Abu Huraira ?!
Now please make a note of what NunHolidayPseudoEidRex said I have to focus on work, like you have to fly around and this stuff is taking too much time going in circles. Last Edit September 06, 2009, 102536 AM by NunHolidayPseudoEidRex ?
Have you ever heard Ayman expressing frustration at losing out on work with all the time devoted to this forum. Please give me just one such example- anyone?
In between Got to go catch a plane will reply to others later. on September 04, 2009, 013204 AM
He is back on the forum within hours or as he landed on September 04, 2009, 111809 PMNow would all this clear circumstantial evidence change your view of Ayman?
I think not,; I see this trend in all his followers who, despite all the convincing arguments shut their eyes, including out casting the blind. Not big ego but Ayman has got a lucrative job, and he is absolutely wrong about ramadan...This is brainwash.
We have quite a few like Ayman; an MQM leader A. Hussein is one example, not much different from Al Zawahri or Osama. He was banned from Pakistan yet he is controlling the population of Karachi from the UK via internet. bravoI do feel that you are sincere in your search for the truth and I pray to God to lead us to the right path of those He favoured not the path of those who went astray.
peacePs I remember you saying this I am in his blood line (a direct descendant) on both my father and mother side, via Hassan, and Ali + Fatima. For me, it is a genealogy family tree matter
You must be pleased to know that now your family lineage goes back to the Prince of Hira and not poor Ali bravoI've been traveling and hence have not been able to keep up with this thread. It has been brought to my attention that things have gotten out of hand and I suppose it was only a matter of time.
First off, if someone proclaims a self-imposed exile to discussion but not to the thread or to the numerous off-topic posts that belong to said person...it is not an absence. Secondly, if they feel strongly about whatever has been posted they can always respond, to cry I want others to stop responding to what I've already posted on the thread because I want to be able to have the last word and to go on aggressively trying to intimidate and scare people with my little gems of wisdom that match those I want it to (but not me of course) to a T...sorry, that's not fair or decent except to those blindsided by their "brilliant" posts that are apparently completely above reproach.
As we've already established in the thread, in this posters case, fairness and decency is only when it suits them. For example, they can scream sexist and then call someone "a squirrel in heat". One can only imagine if someone else were to call this poster an "animal in heat" for them to start a self-righteous storm of indignation. If you can't take the heat, don't dish it out and expect others not to respond in kind because someone then wants to hide behind their skirts. There is no higher moral ground anymore.
Regarding the continued (rather than one-time) slander of another poster on this thread, I'm not surprised to find the same poster involved who wastes no time accusing posters with a different point of view and who might happen to be long time/relatively active as "agents of the mysterious hidden hand". Heck, this forum was labeled as being financed by these mysterious entities of the deep, with the admin as willing and able cohorts/minions because it just isn't possible to allow differing interpretations/opinions on the same platform without being secret agents. What evidence you may ask? They post a lot, no one can post this much, I can't, someone else said they can't thus no one can, they have a high-flying lifestyle because they ride in planes (shock,gasp), they never complain about their family issues, how on earth do they support their families if they post a lot on the forum, these mad juggling skillz cannot be!...but wait, I did take some time out to carry on the "holy fight"...but don't anyone dare accuse this poster of being on temporary payroll because they aren't, they say so themselves and that's enough for it to be truth.
Regardless of what has been said, if this poster carries on and gets banned...they will always maintain it's because the "powers that be" can't take the "mad debatin' skillz" of said poster...most others reading the thread/forum however would know the actual reason as to why, especially when others having the same opinion continue like it's business as usual.
Once more for the road, personal attacks will not be tolerated, try to stay on topic, be respectful to other users, and all the other ruley type things.
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Peace Sis farida,
I made my position clear.
I gather my knowledge from whence Allah guides me.
Slandering a Muslim without proof brings a punishment equal to the punishment you accuse him/her of.
What you are talking about is circumstantial.As for the one who asked me about ijtihad, take a good arabic dictionary and it will tell you, and do not give me the quick one that
it does not work because there is no such a word in the Quran, by the way I explained to you ijtihad with all the examples I gave you, you can figure it out...
I am not into spoon feeding...Salaam brother Nabil,
Yes all those claims from Ayman that Umar was a hidden Jew and all the companions of the prophet were corrupt , like in Morocco/Jordan bought for $300. What proof did he produce for such grave accusations???
It hurts you if anyone attacks Ayman's credibility, whereas Ayman has a free pass to attack the whole of Islamic history including the best past where Jews and Muslims lived side by side like cousins.Wassalaam
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Peace Sis Farida
Cool down Sister...
no it does not hurt me, matter of fact what Ayman thinks is none of my business. He just happens to have some interesting
insights, and I picked up on them.
Again I repeat the ramadan proposal is correct as far as I double checked, and it took me four years to get convinced!
So I was slow and careful...
Umar being a zionist is a joke, zionism is a modern concept, one might as well say that Moses was a zionist, and Israel/Jacob... etc.
Err, I will burst your bubble, but on my grandmother side of my father, I have jewish ancestry who converted to Islam, does that make me a zionist too according to Ayman?, I think he just likes using shocking expressions, and even now, not all jews are zionists btw...
As for those you refer to, they are dead, or absent, or I do not know them, however you are pointing accusations at someone who is a participant in this forum, and among other things, this violates some forum rules...
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Makes sense, but what does 'few' mean then?
I will get my undestand/not understand list up in a few days (ayyaman madoodatin (?)), illa an yasha Allah.
Peace all,
Few means Kaleal (God used this word more than 100 time in Quran).
Now here is another verse where is used, which cannot mean any thing except COUNTED.
And We do not delay it except to a term already counted.
11104God has Counted Humans' Life-Term in this Earth...For sure it has been more than 10 years since human creation!!!
Thus, Madoda does not mean Few nor 3 to 10 but COUNTED.Now, would Ayman and Samia concur to this meaning, or would they continue to dispute, OR will they not answer?
"Maadood" is a common word which we use in urdu every day, and there is absolutely no doubt about it that it means , "A very limited count"
I hope 11-104 would clarify the misunderstanding that Ayman created.
Peace
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And We do not delay it except to a term already counted.
11104God has Counted Humans' Life-Term in this Earth...For sure it has been more than 10 years since human creation!!!
Peace
"Ajal" is singular here, meaning one "ajal"= appointed.
Context is the key word!
a small; a little (qaleel) is not A few (ma3doodat).
Again look at the context of these more than a 100 times where "qaleela" is used. It's adverb or again describing a singular.
You chose a dictionary and I showed you that it says ( a few), using the dictionary of your choice.
If you want to understand it as "counted", go ahead. No one is forcing you. As for me, I am not discussing this meaning anymore. -
Peace all,
I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.
This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread
As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.
Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).
bravo
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"Ajal" is singular here, meaning one "ajal"= appointed.
Context is the key word!
a small; a little (qaleel) is not A few (ma3doodat).
Again look at the context of these more than a 100 times where "qaleela" is used. It's adverb or again describing a singular.
You chose a dictionary and I showed you that it says ( a few), using the dictionary of your choice.
If you want to understand it as "counted", go ahead. No one is forcing you. As for me, I am not discussing this meaning anymore.Simple Question, What is the meaning of the word Madod in 11-104?
DOES IT MEAN FEW? NO
DOES IT MEAN 3 to 10? NO
DOES IT MEAN COUNTED? YES -
Simple Question, What is the meaning of the word Madod in 11-104?
DOES IT MEAN FEW? NO
DOES IT MEAN 3 to 10? NO
DOES IT MEAN COUNTED? YESThe simple answer is its root is .
Its Past tense He counted
Imperfect is He counts /will count
Active participle = counter
Passive participle = = Counted
It is obvious even to a KG student of the Arabic language.In fact Eyes cannot see what the mind does not know.
Regards
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Simple Question, What is the meaning of the word Madod in 11-104?
DOES IT MEAN FEW? NO
DOES IT MEAN 3 to 10? NO
DOES IT MEAN COUNTED? YESHow many "ajals" are there in the verse? Counted from what pool?
from "maqayyesul lugha"Translationtime is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and determined/decided/appointed
Here is a verse for you
2203And remember God in a few days . But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that you will surely be gathered unto Him.
It's clear from this verse that less than "ma3doodat" will be 2.
OK.This time I am off this topic of "ma3dood/ma3doodat". Sorry if I refrain from responding to you next time.
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How many "ajals" are there in the verse? Counted from what pool?
from "maqayyesul lugha"Translationtime is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and determined/decided/appointed
Peace
Wrong translation
Correct translation is
time is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and COUNTEDYou intentionally left the definition of Ma3dood by Maqayeesul lugha
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3addo = Counting of anything .you say ,"I counted a thing /I will count so I am a "counter and the THING IS COUNTED.
Moreovere it says
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al-3adeed means MANY
This is the definition of Ma3dood given by this dicitonary.
Regards - ( 4 / 22)
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Here is a verse for you
2203And remember God in a few days . But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that you will surely be gathered unto Him.
In addition to Q-Student reply, the following is more accurate translation of 2203
And remember God in a counted (number of) days . But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that you will surely be gathered unto Him.
Two days are a "Counted Days (Number of)"
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Peace
Wrong translation
Correct translation is
time is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and COUNTEDYou intentionally left the definition of Ma3dood by Maqayeesul lugha
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3addo = Counting of anything .you say ,"I counted a thing /I will count so I am a "counter and the THING IS COUNTED.
Moreovere it says
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al-3adeed means MANY
This is the definition of Ma3dood given by this dicitonary.
Regardssalaam brother
subhanAllah. very good arabic indeed. all praise to God.
brother would you please give us some examples to count an ajal? jazakumullahi khair.
God bless those who know arabic and hlep us understand quran elhamdulillah.
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Peace Eid,
We were discussing THE FULL MOON ILLUSION that you are too proud to admit is NOT applicable.
No you were either babbling irrelevant info or deliberately lying and building a strawman. If you disagree then show me where I said that the scorching full-moon was on July 18, as you keep repeating. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were merely babbling and not deliberately lying.
You seem to have tunnel vision where you are focusing on something irrelevant that I never said (July 1 and forgetting the big picture. This was the same exact attitude that you had when you were promoting a Code 19 miracle sometime ago that supposedly preserved the great reading. After proving you wrong numerous times and going in circles exactly like on this thread, you finally admitted what should have been indisputable from post #1 via a Personal Message. This is OK because we all make mistakes. However, afterwards, I looked for you to correct what you had been writing on the forum but unfortunately you didn?t. So you didn?t care that someone might be misguided by the wrong info that you provided and all you cared about was your ego. You are doing the same thing in this discussion.
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php
Data for June 18, 2008 FULL MOON 131 PM
1950 -2.9 124.1 1.00
2000 -1.3 125.6 1.00
2010 0.7 127.1 1.00 HUGE FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER SUNSET!
2020 2.0 128.6 1.00
Summer Solstice June 21, 2008Data for July 17, 2008
1920 -1.7 120.7 1.00
1930 0.4 122.2 1.00 was this the full moon illusion?
1940 1.8 123.7 1.00
Data for July 18, 2008 Full Moon 359 AM Ayman's HOT MOON
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 not full moon after sunset; was this the illusion?
2020 2.9 119.7 0.99
Answer the TWO simple YES or NO questions that I asked you.- Does THE FULL MOON ILLUSION have anything to do with it?
- Did you see THE FULL MOON ILLUSION last year after the solstice?
So finally, you post the data for the scorching full moon on July 17. However, still in your tunnel vision you forgot that the break between days at midnight is arbitrary and that the day actually is from dawn to the next dawn. The scorching full moon (100% full) as you can see from the data started to appear on July 17 at 1930 at the same time that the sun set and not July 18 as you wrongly said.
Now we will see why you are deliberately snipping the data so that people don?t see how fast and how far the moon rises by midnight on July 17 compared to by midnight on June 18. Here is the truth that you are hiding
WASHINGTON, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
Jul 17, 2008
Eastern Standard Time
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1930 0.4 122.2 1.00
1940 1.8 123.7 1.00
1950 3.3 125.3 1.00
2000 4.8 126.9 1.00
2010 6.3 128.5 1.00
2020 7.7 130.2 1.00
2030 9.1 131.9 1.00
2040 10.5 133.6 1.00
2050 11.9 135.4 1.00
2100 13.2 137.2 1.00
2110 14.5 139.1 1.00
2120 15.7 141.0 1.00
2130 16.9 143.0 1.00
2140 18.0 145.0 1.00
2150 19.1 147.0 1.00
2200 20.1 149.1 1.00
2210 21.1 151.3 1.00
2220 22.0 153.5 1.00
2230 22.8 155.7 1.00
2240 23.5 158.0 1.00
2250 24.2 160.3 1.00
2300 24.9 162.7 1.00
2310 25.4 165.1 1.00
2320 25.9 167.5 1.00
2330 26.3 169.9 1.00
2340 26.6 172.4 1.00
2350 26.8 174.9 1.00Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
Jun 18, 2008
Eastern Standard Time
2010 0.7 127.1 1.00
2020 2.0 128.6 1.00
2030 3.4 130.2 1.00
2040 4.7 131.8 1.00
2050 6.1 133.5 1.00
2100 7.4 135.2 1.00
2110 8.7 136.9 1.00
2120 10.0 138.7 1.00
2130 11.2 140.5 1.00
2140 12.4 142.3 1.00
2150 13.5 144.2 1.00
2200 14.6 146.1 1.00
2210 15.6 148.1 1.00
2220 16.6 150.1 1.00
2230 17.5 152.1 1.00
2240 18.3 154.2 1.00
2250 19.1 156.3 1.00
2300 19.9 158.5 1.00
2310 20.5 160.6 1.00
2320 21.1 162.9 1.00
2330 21.7 165.1 1.00
2340 22.1 167.4 1.00
2350 22.5 169.7 1.00By midnight only a miniscule 4.3 degrees difference between the moon BEFORE and AFTER the solstice. So the moon AFTER the solstice similarly took a very low path across the horizon, which is the source of the red color and illusion of a larger size. So this is why we saw a solstice moon illusion and red color on July 17 SAME as on June 18. So the answer to your two questions is YES and YES.
Compare this to the full-moon on December 12 that you erroneously wanted to convince us with and which climbs very quickly and is higher by a huge 52.1 degrees by midnight
Data for night of December 12, 2008
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1650 1.3 56.2 1.00
1700 2.7 57.6 1.00
1710 4.2 59.1 1.00
1720 5.8 60.5 1.00
1730 7.4 61.9 1.00
1740 9.0 63.2 1.00
1750 10.7 64.6 1.00
1800 12.4 65.9 1.00
1810 14.1 67.2 1.00
1820 15.8 68.5 1.00
1830 17.5 69.8 1.00
1840 19.3 71.1 1.00
1850 21.1 72.4 1.00
1900 22.8 73.6 1.00
1910 24.6 74.9 1.00
1920 26.5 76.2 1.00
1930 28.3 77.5 1.00
1940 30.1 78.7 1.00
1950 31.9 80.0 1.00
2000 33.8 81.3 1.00
2010 35.6 82.6 1.00
2020 37.5 84.0 1.00
2030 39.4 85.3 1.00
2040 41.2 86.7 1.00
2050 43.1 88.2 1.00
2100 45.0 89.6 1.00
2110 46.9 91.2 1.00
2120 48.8 92.7 1.00
2130 50.6 94.4 1.00
2140 52.5 96.1 1.00
2150 54.4 97.9 1.00
2200 56.2 99.8 1.00
2210 58.1 101.9 1.00
2220 59.9 104.1 1.00
2230 61.7 106.5 1.00
2240 63.5 109.2 1.00
2250 65.3 112.1 1.00
2300 67.0 115.3 1.00
2310 68.7 118.9 1.00
2320 70.3 123.1 1.00
2330 71.9 127.8 1.00
2340 73.3 133.2 1.00
2350 74.6 139.5 1.00You have such tunnel vision that you couldn?t understand even the title of the article that you brought yourself
Why the Moon Looks Big at the Horizon and Smaller When Higher Up
Unlike the wrong understanding that you have been repeating, as clear from the title, the article doesn?t dispute the fact that the moon looks big close to the horizon. It only provides explanation as to why our brains perceive it this way. I don?t care about the why and neither did the pre-Islamic Arabs. The observable fact is that it appears big close to THE HORIZON. Another indisputable fact is that not only it looks big but is also REDDISH in color (due to light refraction at low altitudes). It is an indisputable fact that BOTH the full-moon BEFORE and AFTER the solstice will take the LOWEST path across the horizon of ALL the full-moons and thus are the CLOSEST to the horizon. It is also an indisputable fact that the average temperature around the time of the full-moon AFTER the solstice will always be higher than the temperature around the full-moon BEFORE it. So only the full-moon AFTER the solstice satisfies the TWO connotations of ?scorching?, RED and HOT. If you disagree then please show any other full-moon which takes a lower path across the horizon than those two. I know you can?t and neither can Guest, no matter what ignorant things he says. This is not because I have a big ego like you but because it is a physical impossibility. If you get out of your tunnel vision and admit to this indisputable truth and correct then we can continue to discuss.
Peace and best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace Eid,
No you were either babbling irrelevant info or deliberately lying and building a strawman. If you disagree then show me where I said that the scorching full-moon was on July 18, as you keep repeating. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were merely babbling and not deliberately lying.
You seem to have tunnel vision where you are focusing on something irrelevant that I never said (July 1 and forgetting the big picture. This was the same exact attitude that you had when you were promoting a Code 19 miracle sometime ago that supposedly preserved the great reading. After proving you wrong numerous times and going in circles exactly like on this thread, you finally admitted what should have been indisputable from post #1 via a Personal Message. This is OK because we all make mistakes. However, afterwards, I looked for you to correct what you had been writing on the forum but unfortunately you didn?t. So you didn?t care that someone might be misguided by the wrong info that you provided and all you cared about was your ego. You are doing the same thing in this discussion.
...If you get out of your tunnel vision and admit to this indisputable truth and correct then we can continue to discuss.
Peace and best wishes,
Ayman
OUCH !!!
elektro rotfl brickwall yay '( O0 sun
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Peace all,
I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.
This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread
As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.
Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).
bravo
No , i think The disbelievers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their circular silly arguments...the result are, the dis-believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of rep-lies (out of 1600 replies).