Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Sis Farida
Cool down Sister...
no it does not hurt me, matter of fact what Ayman thinks is none of my business. He just happens to have some interesting
insights, and I picked up on them.
Again I repeat the ramadan proposal is correct as far as I double checked, and it took me four years to get convinced!
So I was slow and careful...
Umar being a zionist is a joke, zionism is a modern concept, one might as well say that Moses was a zionist, and Israel/Jacob... etc.
Err, I will burst your bubble, but on my grandmother side of my father, I have jewish ancestry who converted to Islam, does that make me a zionist too according to Ayman?, I think he just likes using shocking expressions, and even now, not all jews are zionists btw...
As for those you refer to, they are dead, or absent, or I do not know them, however you are pointing accusations at someone who is a participant in this forum, and among other things, this violates some forum rules...
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Makes sense, but what does 'few' mean then?
I will get my undestand/not understand list up in a few days (ayyaman madoodatin (?)), illa an yasha Allah.
Peace all,
Few means Kaleal (God used this word more than 100 time in Quran).
Now here is another verse where is used, which cannot mean any thing except COUNTED.
And We do not delay it except to a term already counted.
11104God has Counted Humans' Life-Term in this Earth...For sure it has been more than 10 years since human creation!!!
Thus, Madoda does not mean Few nor 3 to 10 but COUNTED.Now, would Ayman and Samia concur to this meaning, or would they continue to dispute, OR will they not answer?
"Maadood" is a common word which we use in urdu every day, and there is absolutely no doubt about it that it means , "A very limited count"
I hope 11-104 would clarify the misunderstanding that Ayman created.
Peace
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And We do not delay it except to a term already counted.
11104God has Counted Humans' Life-Term in this Earth...For sure it has been more than 10 years since human creation!!!
Peace
"Ajal" is singular here, meaning one "ajal"= appointed.
Context is the key word!
a small; a little (qaleel) is not A few (ma3doodat).
Again look at the context of these more than a 100 times where "qaleela" is used. It's adverb or again describing a singular.
You chose a dictionary and I showed you that it says ( a few), using the dictionary of your choice.
If you want to understand it as "counted", go ahead. No one is forcing you. As for me, I am not discussing this meaning anymore. -
Peace all,
I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.
This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread
As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.
Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).
bravo
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"Ajal" is singular here, meaning one "ajal"= appointed.
Context is the key word!
a small; a little (qaleel) is not A few (ma3doodat).
Again look at the context of these more than a 100 times where "qaleela" is used. It's adverb or again describing a singular.
You chose a dictionary and I showed you that it says ( a few), using the dictionary of your choice.
If you want to understand it as "counted", go ahead. No one is forcing you. As for me, I am not discussing this meaning anymore.Simple Question, What is the meaning of the word Madod in 11-104?
DOES IT MEAN FEW? NO
DOES IT MEAN 3 to 10? NO
DOES IT MEAN COUNTED? YES -
Simple Question, What is the meaning of the word Madod in 11-104?
DOES IT MEAN FEW? NO
DOES IT MEAN 3 to 10? NO
DOES IT MEAN COUNTED? YESThe simple answer is its root is .
Its Past tense He counted
Imperfect is He counts /will count
Active participle = counter
Passive participle = = Counted
It is obvious even to a KG student of the Arabic language.In fact Eyes cannot see what the mind does not know.
Regards
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Simple Question, What is the meaning of the word Madod in 11-104?
DOES IT MEAN FEW? NO
DOES IT MEAN 3 to 10? NO
DOES IT MEAN COUNTED? YESHow many "ajals" are there in the verse? Counted from what pool?
from "maqayyesul lugha"Translationtime is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and determined/decided/appointed
Here is a verse for you
2203And remember God in a few days . But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that you will surely be gathered unto Him.
It's clear from this verse that less than "ma3doodat" will be 2.
OK.This time I am off this topic of "ma3dood/ma3doodat". Sorry if I refrain from responding to you next time.
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How many "ajals" are there in the verse? Counted from what pool?
from "maqayyesul lugha"Translationtime is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and determined/decided/appointed
Peace
Wrong translation
Correct translation is
time is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and COUNTEDYou intentionally left the definition of Ma3dood by Maqayeesul lugha
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3addo = Counting of anything .you say ,"I counted a thing /I will count so I am a "counter and the THING IS COUNTED.
Moreovere it says
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al-3adeed means MANY
This is the definition of Ma3dood given by this dicitonary.
Regards - ( 4 / 22)
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Here is a verse for you
2203And remember God in a few days . But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that you will surely be gathered unto Him.
In addition to Q-Student reply, the following is more accurate translation of 2203
And remember God in a counted (number of) days . But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that you will surely be gathered unto Him.
Two days are a "Counted Days (Number of)"
Peace -
Peace
Wrong translation
Correct translation is
time is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and COUNTEDYou intentionally left the definition of Ma3dood by Maqayeesul lugha
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3addo = Counting of anything .you say ,"I counted a thing /I will count so I am a "counter and the THING IS COUNTED.
Moreovere it says
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al-3adeed means MANY
This is the definition of Ma3dood given by this dicitonary.
Regardssalaam brother
subhanAllah. very good arabic indeed. all praise to God.
brother would you please give us some examples to count an ajal? jazakumullahi khair.
God bless those who know arabic and hlep us understand quran elhamdulillah.
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Peace Eid,
We were discussing THE FULL MOON ILLUSION that you are too proud to admit is NOT applicable.
No you were either babbling irrelevant info or deliberately lying and building a strawman. If you disagree then show me where I said that the scorching full-moon was on July 18, as you keep repeating. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were merely babbling and not deliberately lying.
You seem to have tunnel vision where you are focusing on something irrelevant that I never said (July 1 and forgetting the big picture. This was the same exact attitude that you had when you were promoting a Code 19 miracle sometime ago that supposedly preserved the great reading. After proving you wrong numerous times and going in circles exactly like on this thread, you finally admitted what should have been indisputable from post #1 via a Personal Message. This is OK because we all make mistakes. However, afterwards, I looked for you to correct what you had been writing on the forum but unfortunately you didn?t. So you didn?t care that someone might be misguided by the wrong info that you provided and all you cared about was your ego. You are doing the same thing in this discussion.
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php
Data for June 18, 2008 FULL MOON 131 PM
1950 -2.9 124.1 1.00
2000 -1.3 125.6 1.00
2010 0.7 127.1 1.00 HUGE FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER SUNSET!
2020 2.0 128.6 1.00
Summer Solstice June 21, 2008Data for July 17, 2008
1920 -1.7 120.7 1.00
1930 0.4 122.2 1.00 was this the full moon illusion?
1940 1.8 123.7 1.00
Data for July 18, 2008 Full Moon 359 AM Ayman's HOT MOON
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 not full moon after sunset; was this the illusion?
2020 2.9 119.7 0.99
Answer the TWO simple YES or NO questions that I asked you.- Does THE FULL MOON ILLUSION have anything to do with it?
- Did you see THE FULL MOON ILLUSION last year after the solstice?
So finally, you post the data for the scorching full moon on July 17. However, still in your tunnel vision you forgot that the break between days at midnight is arbitrary and that the day actually is from dawn to the next dawn. The scorching full moon (100% full) as you can see from the data started to appear on July 17 at 1930 at the same time that the sun set and not July 18 as you wrongly said.
Now we will see why you are deliberately snipping the data so that people don?t see how fast and how far the moon rises by midnight on July 17 compared to by midnight on June 18. Here is the truth that you are hiding
WASHINGTON, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
Jul 17, 2008
Eastern Standard Time
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1930 0.4 122.2 1.00
1940 1.8 123.7 1.00
1950 3.3 125.3 1.00
2000 4.8 126.9 1.00
2010 6.3 128.5 1.00
2020 7.7 130.2 1.00
2030 9.1 131.9 1.00
2040 10.5 133.6 1.00
2050 11.9 135.4 1.00
2100 13.2 137.2 1.00
2110 14.5 139.1 1.00
2120 15.7 141.0 1.00
2130 16.9 143.0 1.00
2140 18.0 145.0 1.00
2150 19.1 147.0 1.00
2200 20.1 149.1 1.00
2210 21.1 151.3 1.00
2220 22.0 153.5 1.00
2230 22.8 155.7 1.00
2240 23.5 158.0 1.00
2250 24.2 160.3 1.00
2300 24.9 162.7 1.00
2310 25.4 165.1 1.00
2320 25.9 167.5 1.00
2330 26.3 169.9 1.00
2340 26.6 172.4 1.00
2350 26.8 174.9 1.00Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
Jun 18, 2008
Eastern Standard Time
2010 0.7 127.1 1.00
2020 2.0 128.6 1.00
2030 3.4 130.2 1.00
2040 4.7 131.8 1.00
2050 6.1 133.5 1.00
2100 7.4 135.2 1.00
2110 8.7 136.9 1.00
2120 10.0 138.7 1.00
2130 11.2 140.5 1.00
2140 12.4 142.3 1.00
2150 13.5 144.2 1.00
2200 14.6 146.1 1.00
2210 15.6 148.1 1.00
2220 16.6 150.1 1.00
2230 17.5 152.1 1.00
2240 18.3 154.2 1.00
2250 19.1 156.3 1.00
2300 19.9 158.5 1.00
2310 20.5 160.6 1.00
2320 21.1 162.9 1.00
2330 21.7 165.1 1.00
2340 22.1 167.4 1.00
2350 22.5 169.7 1.00By midnight only a miniscule 4.3 degrees difference between the moon BEFORE and AFTER the solstice. So the moon AFTER the solstice similarly took a very low path across the horizon, which is the source of the red color and illusion of a larger size. So this is why we saw a solstice moon illusion and red color on July 17 SAME as on June 18. So the answer to your two questions is YES and YES.
Compare this to the full-moon on December 12 that you erroneously wanted to convince us with and which climbs very quickly and is higher by a huge 52.1 degrees by midnight
Data for night of December 12, 2008
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1650 1.3 56.2 1.00
1700 2.7 57.6 1.00
1710 4.2 59.1 1.00
1720 5.8 60.5 1.00
1730 7.4 61.9 1.00
1740 9.0 63.2 1.00
1750 10.7 64.6 1.00
1800 12.4 65.9 1.00
1810 14.1 67.2 1.00
1820 15.8 68.5 1.00
1830 17.5 69.8 1.00
1840 19.3 71.1 1.00
1850 21.1 72.4 1.00
1900 22.8 73.6 1.00
1910 24.6 74.9 1.00
1920 26.5 76.2 1.00
1930 28.3 77.5 1.00
1940 30.1 78.7 1.00
1950 31.9 80.0 1.00
2000 33.8 81.3 1.00
2010 35.6 82.6 1.00
2020 37.5 84.0 1.00
2030 39.4 85.3 1.00
2040 41.2 86.7 1.00
2050 43.1 88.2 1.00
2100 45.0 89.6 1.00
2110 46.9 91.2 1.00
2120 48.8 92.7 1.00
2130 50.6 94.4 1.00
2140 52.5 96.1 1.00
2150 54.4 97.9 1.00
2200 56.2 99.8 1.00
2210 58.1 101.9 1.00
2220 59.9 104.1 1.00
2230 61.7 106.5 1.00
2240 63.5 109.2 1.00
2250 65.3 112.1 1.00
2300 67.0 115.3 1.00
2310 68.7 118.9 1.00
2320 70.3 123.1 1.00
2330 71.9 127.8 1.00
2340 73.3 133.2 1.00
2350 74.6 139.5 1.00You have such tunnel vision that you couldn?t understand even the title of the article that you brought yourself
Why the Moon Looks Big at the Horizon and Smaller When Higher Up
Unlike the wrong understanding that you have been repeating, as clear from the title, the article doesn?t dispute the fact that the moon looks big close to the horizon. It only provides explanation as to why our brains perceive it this way. I don?t care about the why and neither did the pre-Islamic Arabs. The observable fact is that it appears big close to THE HORIZON. Another indisputable fact is that not only it looks big but is also REDDISH in color (due to light refraction at low altitudes). It is an indisputable fact that BOTH the full-moon BEFORE and AFTER the solstice will take the LOWEST path across the horizon of ALL the full-moons and thus are the CLOSEST to the horizon. It is also an indisputable fact that the average temperature around the time of the full-moon AFTER the solstice will always be higher than the temperature around the full-moon BEFORE it. So only the full-moon AFTER the solstice satisfies the TWO connotations of ?scorching?, RED and HOT. If you disagree then please show any other full-moon which takes a lower path across the horizon than those two. I know you can?t and neither can Guest, no matter what ignorant things he says. This is not because I have a big ego like you but because it is a physical impossibility. If you get out of your tunnel vision and admit to this indisputable truth and correct then we can continue to discuss.
Peace and best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace Eid,
No you were either babbling irrelevant info or deliberately lying and building a strawman. If you disagree then show me where I said that the scorching full-moon was on July 18, as you keep repeating. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were merely babbling and not deliberately lying.
You seem to have tunnel vision where you are focusing on something irrelevant that I never said (July 1 and forgetting the big picture. This was the same exact attitude that you had when you were promoting a Code 19 miracle sometime ago that supposedly preserved the great reading. After proving you wrong numerous times and going in circles exactly like on this thread, you finally admitted what should have been indisputable from post #1 via a Personal Message. This is OK because we all make mistakes. However, afterwards, I looked for you to correct what you had been writing on the forum but unfortunately you didn?t. So you didn?t care that someone might be misguided by the wrong info that you provided and all you cared about was your ego. You are doing the same thing in this discussion.
...If you get out of your tunnel vision and admit to this indisputable truth and correct then we can continue to discuss.
Peace and best wishes,
Ayman
OUCH !!!
elektro rotfl brickwall yay '( O0 sun
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Peace all,
I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.
This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread
As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.
Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).
bravo
No , i think The disbelievers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their circular silly arguments...the result are, the dis-believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of rep-lies (out of 1600 replies).
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Peace Belal,
I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.
This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread
As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.
Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).
bravoSo the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents. )
Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic
Name belH
Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PMName farida
Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
Last Active Today at 071926 PMName ayman
Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
Position Wise One / Burnout
Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PMFarida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list. )
Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems. )
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
So the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents. )
Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic
Name belH
Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PMName farida
Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
Last Active Today at 071926 PMName ayman
Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
Position Wise One / Burnout
Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PMFarida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list. )
Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems. )
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
Re-ouucchhhh !!!
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Peace Quickduck,
OUCH !!!
elektro rotfl brickwall yay '( O0 sunActually, perhaps the only appropriate emotion is crying. There is nothing to laugh or be happy about and I feel sorry that I had to post this. However, this is bigger than me or Eid. What if my children read the site? We should always correct our mistakes publicly in the same way that we give our opinion publicly. As we are now people of the book we bear a heavy burden to reveal it to people. The god has surrounded us all and at the end we can only be saved by his mercy. May the god help Eid, Farida, Guest, Q_Student and help us all for we were once like them.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
So the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents.
Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic
Name belH
Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PMName farida
Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
Last Active Today at 071926 PMName ayman
Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
Position Wise One / Burnout
Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PMFarida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list.
Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
rotfl
This is between you and Frida...I'm out of it.
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Peace Quickduck,
Actually, perhaps the only appropriate emotion is crying. There is nothing to laugh or be happy about and I feel sorry that I had to post this. However, this is bigger than me or Eid. What if my children read the site? We should always correct our mistakes publicly in the same way that we give our opinion publicly. As we are now people of the book we bear a heavy burden to reveal it to people. The god has surrounded us all and at the end we can only be saved by his mercy. May the god help Eid, Farida, Guest, Q_Student and help us all for we were once like them.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
sorry i had to laugh my head off, but sincerly, the one thing i'm afraid of, is that if any genuine truthseeker came by this site and reads this thread, he will be lost , because af the huge amount of idiocy babbled and babbled again, by .....they would recognize themselves.
You act like old loving caring brother with them, and they treat back as secret agent willing to destruct islam, starting from the sahaba, then
muhammad and finishing with Quran . What kind of feedback/reward is this ??
I, like nabil, don't agree with you on all your explanations, maybe because you're wrong or because i didn't give enough time to read, search and analyse. But as far as this Ramadan issue, it seemed so clear and so logic from Page 1, except some doubting details. those doubts vanished 5 pages later. so i am very disappointed to see that this thread is now 113 pages.
I am pretty sure that they are not that stupid, but they do this circular arguing DELIBERATLY so this thread could loose credibility.
some of them even logged with different usernames to fake a huge confrontation against your ideas. to me it's really a kind of conspiracy.
It's sad, but i'm afraid very few new visitors would dare read through all those over a thousand rep-lies, and turn back,(except those whom GOD helps)."wa man adhlamu min man iftaraa 3ala allahi al-kadeb" ?
Peace
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Peace Ayman,
sorry i had to laugh my head off, but sincerly, the one thing i'm afraid of, is that if any genuine truthseeker came by this site and reads this thread, he will be lost , because af the huge amount of idiocy babbled and babbled again, by .....they would recognize themselves.
You act like old loving caring brother with them, and they treat back as secret agent willing to destruct islam, starting from the sahaba, then
muhammad and finishing with Quran . What kind of feedback/reward is this ??
I, like nabil, don't agree with you on all your explanations, maybe because you're wrong or because i didn't give enough time to read, search and analyse. But as far as this Ramadan issue, it seemed so clear and so logic from Page 1, except some doubting details. those doubts vanished 5 pages later. so i am very disappointed to see that this thread is now 113 pages.
I am pretty sure that they are not that stupid, but they do this circular arguing DELIBERATLY so this thread could loose credibility.
some of them even logged with different usernames to fake a huge confrontation against your ideas. to me it's really a kind of conspiracy.
It's sad, but i'm afraid very few new visitors would dare read through all those over a thousand rep-lies, and turn back,(except those whom GOD helps)."wa man adhlamu min man iftaraa 3ala allahi al-kadeb" ?
Peace
Peace
Your post is no surprise .It is very old theme.Regards