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    Q_student
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    #1662

    How many "ajals" are there in the verse? Counted from what pool?
    from "maqayyesul lugha"

    Translationtime is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and determined/decided/appointed

    Peace
    Wrong translation
    Correct translation is
    time is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and COUNTED

    You intentionally left the definition of Ma3dood by Maqayeesul lugha

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      .

    3addo = Counting of anything .you say ,"I counted a thing /I will count so I am a "counter and the THING IS COUNTED.

    Moreovere it says

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      .

    al-3adeed means MANY

    This is the definition of Ma3dood given by this dicitonary.
    Regards

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      belH
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      Here is a verse for you
      2203

      And remember God in a few days . But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that you will surely be gathered unto Him.

      In addition to Q-Student reply, the following is more accurate translation of 2203

      And remember God in a counted (number of) days . But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear God, and know that you will surely be gathered unto Him.

      Two days are a "Counted Days (Number of)"
      Peace

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        Peace
        Wrong translation
        Correct translation is
        time is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and COUNTED

        You intentionally left the definition of Ma3dood by Maqayeesul lugha

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          .

        3addo = Counting of anything .you say ,"I counted a thing /I will count so I am a "counter and the THING IS COUNTED.

        Moreovere it says

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          .

        al-3adeed means MANY

        This is the definition of Ma3dood given by this dicitonary.
        Regards

        salaam brother

        subhanAllah. very good arabic indeed. all praise to God.

        brother would you please give us some examples to count an ajal? jazakumullahi khair.

        God bless those who know arabic and hlep us understand quran elhamdulillah.

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          Peace Eid,

          We were discussing THE FULL MOON ILLUSION that you are too proud to admit is NOT applicable.

          No you were either babbling irrelevant info or deliberately lying and building a strawman. If you disagree then show me where I said that the scorching full-moon was on July 18, as you keep repeating. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were merely babbling and not deliberately lying.

          You seem to have tunnel vision where you are focusing on something irrelevant that I never said (July 1 and forgetting the big picture. This was the same exact attitude that you had when you were promoting a Code 19 miracle sometime ago that supposedly preserved the great reading. After proving you wrong numerous times and going in circles exactly like on this thread, you finally admitted what should have been indisputable from post #1 via a Personal Message. This is OK because we all make mistakes. However, afterwards, I looked for you to correct what you had been writing on the forum but unfortunately you didn?t. So you didn?t care that someone might be misguided by the wrong info that you provided and all you cared about was your ego. You are doing the same thing in this discussion.

          http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
          http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php
          Data for June 18, 2008 FULL MOON 131 PM
          1950 -2.9 124.1 1.00
          2000 -1.3 125.6 1.00
          2010 0.7 127.1 1.00 HUGE FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER SUNSET!
          2020 2.0 128.6 1.00
          Summer Solstice June 21, 2008

          Data for July 17, 2008
          1920 -1.7 120.7 1.00
          1930 0.4 122.2 1.00 was this the full moon illusion?
          1940 1.8 123.7 1.00
          Data for July 18, 2008 Full Moon 359 AM Ayman's HOT MOON
          Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
          1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
          2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
          2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 not full moon after sunset; was this the illusion?
          2020 2.9 119.7 0.99
          Answer the TWO simple YES or NO questions that I asked you.

          1. Does THE FULL MOON ILLUSION have anything to do with it?
          2. Did you see THE FULL MOON ILLUSION last year after the solstice?

          So finally, you post the data for the scorching full moon on July 17. However, still in your tunnel vision you forgot that the break between days at midnight is arbitrary and that the day actually is from dawn to the next dawn. The scorching full moon (100% full) as you can see from the data started to appear on July 17 at 1930 at the same time that the sun set and not July 18 as you wrongly said.

          Now we will see why you are deliberately snipping the data so that people don?t see how fast and how far the moon rises by midnight on July 17 compared to by midnight on June 18. Here is the truth that you are hiding

          WASHINGTON, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
          Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
          Jul 17, 2008
          Eastern Standard Time
          Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
          1930 0.4 122.2 1.00
          1940 1.8 123.7 1.00
          1950 3.3 125.3 1.00
          2000 4.8 126.9 1.00
          2010 6.3 128.5 1.00
          2020 7.7 130.2 1.00
          2030 9.1 131.9 1.00
          2040 10.5 133.6 1.00
          2050 11.9 135.4 1.00
          2100 13.2 137.2 1.00
          2110 14.5 139.1 1.00
          2120 15.7 141.0 1.00
          2130 16.9 143.0 1.00
          2140 18.0 145.0 1.00
          2150 19.1 147.0 1.00
          2200 20.1 149.1 1.00
          2210 21.1 151.3 1.00
          2220 22.0 153.5 1.00
          2230 22.8 155.7 1.00
          2240 23.5 158.0 1.00
          2250 24.2 160.3 1.00
          2300 24.9 162.7 1.00
          2310 25.4 165.1 1.00
          2320 25.9 167.5 1.00
          2330 26.3 169.9 1.00
          2340 26.6 172.4 1.00
          2350 26.8 174.9 1.00

          Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
          Jun 18, 2008
          Eastern Standard Time
          2010 0.7 127.1 1.00
          2020 2.0 128.6 1.00
          2030 3.4 130.2 1.00
          2040 4.7 131.8 1.00
          2050 6.1 133.5 1.00
          2100 7.4 135.2 1.00
          2110 8.7 136.9 1.00
          2120 10.0 138.7 1.00
          2130 11.2 140.5 1.00
          2140 12.4 142.3 1.00
          2150 13.5 144.2 1.00
          2200 14.6 146.1 1.00
          2210 15.6 148.1 1.00
          2220 16.6 150.1 1.00
          2230 17.5 152.1 1.00
          2240 18.3 154.2 1.00
          2250 19.1 156.3 1.00
          2300 19.9 158.5 1.00
          2310 20.5 160.6 1.00
          2320 21.1 162.9 1.00
          2330 21.7 165.1 1.00
          2340 22.1 167.4 1.00
          2350 22.5 169.7 1.00

          By midnight only a miniscule 4.3 degrees difference between the moon BEFORE and AFTER the solstice. So the moon AFTER the solstice similarly took a very low path across the horizon, which is the source of the red color and illusion of a larger size. So this is why we saw a solstice moon illusion and red color on July 17 SAME as on June 18. So the answer to your two questions is YES and YES.

          Compare this to the full-moon on December 12 that you erroneously wanted to convince us with and which climbs very quickly and is higher by a huge 52.1 degrees by midnight

          Data for night of December 12, 2008
          Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
          1650 1.3 56.2 1.00
          1700 2.7 57.6 1.00
          1710 4.2 59.1 1.00
          1720 5.8 60.5 1.00
          1730 7.4 61.9 1.00
          1740 9.0 63.2 1.00
          1750 10.7 64.6 1.00
          1800 12.4 65.9 1.00
          1810 14.1 67.2 1.00
          1820 15.8 68.5 1.00
          1830 17.5 69.8 1.00
          1840 19.3 71.1 1.00
          1850 21.1 72.4 1.00
          1900 22.8 73.6 1.00
          1910 24.6 74.9 1.00
          1920 26.5 76.2 1.00
          1930 28.3 77.5 1.00
          1940 30.1 78.7 1.00
          1950 31.9 80.0 1.00
          2000 33.8 81.3 1.00
          2010 35.6 82.6 1.00
          2020 37.5 84.0 1.00
          2030 39.4 85.3 1.00
          2040 41.2 86.7 1.00
          2050 43.1 88.2 1.00
          2100 45.0 89.6 1.00
          2110 46.9 91.2 1.00
          2120 48.8 92.7 1.00
          2130 50.6 94.4 1.00
          2140 52.5 96.1 1.00
          2150 54.4 97.9 1.00
          2200 56.2 99.8 1.00
          2210 58.1 101.9 1.00
          2220 59.9 104.1 1.00
          2230 61.7 106.5 1.00
          2240 63.5 109.2 1.00
          2250 65.3 112.1 1.00
          2300 67.0 115.3 1.00
          2310 68.7 118.9 1.00
          2320 70.3 123.1 1.00
          2330 71.9 127.8 1.00
          2340 73.3 133.2 1.00
          2350 74.6 139.5 1.00

          You have such tunnel vision that you couldn?t understand even the title of the article that you brought yourself

          Why the Moon Looks Big at the Horizon and Smaller When Higher Up

          Unlike the wrong understanding that you have been repeating, as clear from the title, the article doesn?t dispute the fact that the moon looks big close to the horizon. It only provides explanation as to why our brains perceive it this way. I don?t care about the why and neither did the pre-Islamic Arabs. The observable fact is that it appears big close to THE HORIZON. Another indisputable fact is that not only it looks big but is also REDDISH in color (due to light refraction at low altitudes). It is an indisputable fact that BOTH the full-moon BEFORE and AFTER the solstice will take the LOWEST path across the horizon of ALL the full-moons and thus are the CLOSEST to the horizon. It is also an indisputable fact that the average temperature around the time of the full-moon AFTER the solstice will always be higher than the temperature around the full-moon BEFORE it. So only the full-moon AFTER the solstice satisfies the TWO connotations of ?scorching?, RED and HOT. If you disagree then please show any other full-moon which takes a lower path across the horizon than those two. I know you can?t and neither can Guest, no matter what ignorant things he says. This is not because I have a big ego like you but because it is a physical impossibility. If you get out of your tunnel vision and admit to this indisputable truth and correct then we can continue to discuss.

          Peace and best wishes,

          Ayman

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            quickduck
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            Peace Eid,

            No you were either babbling irrelevant info or deliberately lying and building a strawman. If you disagree then show me where I said that the scorching full-moon was on July 18, as you keep repeating. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were merely babbling and not deliberately lying.

            You seem to have tunnel vision where you are focusing on something irrelevant that I never said (July 1 and forgetting the big picture. This was the same exact attitude that you had when you were promoting a Code 19 miracle sometime ago that supposedly preserved the great reading. After proving you wrong numerous times and going in circles exactly like on this thread, you finally admitted what should have been indisputable from post #1 via a Personal Message. This is OK because we all make mistakes. However, afterwards, I looked for you to correct what you had been writing on the forum but unfortunately you didn?t. So you didn?t care that someone might be misguided by the wrong info that you provided and all you cared about was your ego. You are doing the same thing in this discussion.

            ...If you get out of your tunnel vision and admit to this indisputable truth and correct then we can continue to discuss.

            Peace and best wishes,

            Ayman

            OUCH !!!

            elektro rotfl brickwall yay '( O0 sun

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              quickduck
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              #1667

              Peace all,

              I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.

              This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread

              As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.

              Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).

              bravo

              No , i think The disbelievers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their circular silly arguments...the result are, the dis-believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of rep-lies (out of 1600 replies).

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                ayman
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                Peace Belal,

                I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.
                This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread
                As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.
                Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).
                bravo

                So the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents. )

                Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic

                Name belH
                Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
                Position Advanced Truth Seeker
                Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PM

                Name farida
                Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
                Position Advanced Truth Seeker
                Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
                Last Active Today at 071926 PM

                Name ayman
                Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
                Position Wise One / Burnout
                Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PM

                Farida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list. )

                Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems. )

                Peace and all best wishes,

                Ayman

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                  quickduck
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                  #1669

                  Peace Belal,

                  So the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents. )

                  Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic

                  Name belH
                  Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
                  Position Advanced Truth Seeker
                  Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PM

                  Name farida
                  Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
                  Position Advanced Truth Seeker
                  Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
                  Last Active Today at 071926 PM

                  Name ayman
                  Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
                  Position Wise One / Burnout
                  Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PM

                  Farida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list. )

                  Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems. )

                  Peace and all best wishes,

                  Ayman

                  Re-ouucchhhh !!!

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                    ayman
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                    #1670

                    Peace Quickduck,

                    OUCH !!!
                    elektro rotfl brickwall yay '( O0 sun

                    Actually, perhaps the only appropriate emotion is crying. There is nothing to laugh or be happy about and I feel sorry that I had to post this. However, this is bigger than me or Eid. What if my children read the site? We should always correct our mistakes publicly in the same way that we give our opinion publicly. As we are now people of the book we bear a heavy burden to reveal it to people. The god has surrounded us all and at the end we can only be saved by his mercy. May the god help Eid, Farida, Guest, Q_Student and help us all for we were once like them.

                    Peace,

                    Ayman

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                      belH
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                      #1671

                      Peace Belal,

                      So the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents.

                      Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic

                      Name belH
                      Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
                      Position Advanced Truth Seeker
                      Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PM

                      Name farida
                      Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
                      Position Advanced Truth Seeker
                      Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
                      Last Active Today at 071926 PM

                      Name ayman
                      Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
                      Position Wise One / Burnout
                      Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PM

                      Farida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list.

                      Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems.

                      Peace and all best wishes,

                      Ayman

                      rotfl

                      This is between you and Frida...I'm out of it.
                      Let us focus on what will benefit the readers.

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                        quickduck
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                        #1672

                        Peace Quickduck,

                        Actually, perhaps the only appropriate emotion is crying. There is nothing to laugh or be happy about and I feel sorry that I had to post this. However, this is bigger than me or Eid. What if my children read the site? We should always correct our mistakes publicly in the same way that we give our opinion publicly. As we are now people of the book we bear a heavy burden to reveal it to people. The god has surrounded us all and at the end we can only be saved by his mercy. May the god help Eid, Farida, Guest, Q_Student and help us all for we were once like them.

                        Peace,

                        Ayman

                        Peace Ayman,
                        sorry i had to laugh my head off, but sincerly, the one thing i'm afraid of, is that if any genuine truthseeker came by this site and reads this thread, he will be lost , because af the huge amount of idiocy babbled and babbled again, by .....they would recognize themselves.
                        You act like old loving caring brother with them, and they treat back as secret agent willing to destruct islam, starting from the sahaba, then
                        muhammad and finishing with Quran . What kind of feedback/reward is this ??
                        I, like nabil, don't agree with you on all your explanations, maybe because you're wrong or because i didn't give enough time to read, search and analyse. But as far as this Ramadan issue, it seemed so clear and so logic from Page 1, except some doubting details. those doubts vanished 5 pages later. so i am very disappointed to see that this thread is now 113 pages.
                        I am pretty sure that they are not that stupid, but they do this circular arguing DELIBERATLY so this thread could loose credibility.
                        some of them even logged with different usernames to fake a huge confrontation against your ideas. to me it's really a kind of conspiracy.
                        It's sad, but i'm afraid very few new visitors would dare read through all those over a thousand rep-lies, and turn back,(except those whom GOD helps).

                        "wa man adhlamu min man iftaraa 3ala allahi al-kadeb" ?

                        Peace

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                          Jack
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                          Guys, let's get back on topic. Thanks!

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                            Q_student
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                            #1674

                            Peace Ayman,
                            sorry i had to laugh my head off, but sincerly, the one thing i'm afraid of, is that if any genuine truthseeker came by this site and reads this thread, he will be lost , because af the huge amount of idiocy babbled and babbled again, by .....they would recognize themselves.
                            You act like old loving caring brother with them, and they treat back as secret agent willing to destruct islam, starting from the sahaba, then
                            muhammad and finishing with Quran . What kind of feedback/reward is this ??
                            I, like nabil, don't agree with you on all your explanations, maybe because you're wrong or because i didn't give enough time to read, search and analyse. But as far as this Ramadan issue, it seemed so clear and so logic from Page 1, except some doubting details. those doubts vanished 5 pages later. so i am very disappointed to see that this thread is now 113 pages.
                            I am pretty sure that they are not that stupid, but they do this circular arguing DELIBERATLY so this thread could loose credibility.
                            some of them even logged with different usernames to fake a huge confrontation against your ideas. to me it's really a kind of conspiracy.
                            It's sad, but i'm afraid very few new visitors would dare read through all those over a thousand rep-lies, and turn back,(except those whom GOD helps).

                            "wa man adhlamu min man iftaraa 3ala allahi al-kadeb" ?

                            Peace

                            Peace
                            Your post is no surprise .It is very old theme.

                            Regards

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                              belH
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                              Peace Ayman,
                              sorry i had to laugh my head off, but sincerly, the one thing i'm afraid of, is that if any genuine truthseeker came by this site and reads this thread, he will be lost , because af the huge amount of idiocy babbled and babbled again, by .....they would recognize themselves.
                              You act like old loving caring brother with them, and they treat back as secret agent willing to destruct islam, starting from the sahaba, then
                              muhammad and finishing with Quran . What kind of feedback/reward is this ??
                              I, like nabil, don't agree with you on all your explanations, maybe because you're wrong or because i didn't give enough time to read, search and analyse. But as far as this Ramadan issue, it seemed so clear and so logic from Page 1, except some doubting details. those doubts vanished 5 pages later. so i am very disappointed to see that this thread is now 113 pages.
                              I am pretty sure that they are not that stupid, but they do this circular arguing DELIBERATLY so this thread could loose credibility.
                              some of them even logged with different usernames to fake a huge confrontation against your ideas. to me it's really a kind of conspiracy.
                              It's sad, but i'm afraid very few new visitors would dare read through all those over a thousand rep-lies, and turn back,(except those whom GOD helps).

                              "wa man adhlamu min man iftaraa 3ala allahi al-kadeb" ?

                              Peace

                              hypno

                              Gregory XIII, 1502?85, pope (1572?85) had introduced Ayman's theory before 500 years ago...why do not you gave the Pope the credit? or your blind love for Ayman made you unjust. yes

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                                I told you the scorching hot moon will win. sun

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                                  Peace Ayman,

                                  You seem to have tunnel vision where you are focusing on something irrelevant that I never said (July 1 and forgetting the big picture. This was the same exact attitude that you had when you were promoting a Code 19 miracle sometime ago that supposedly preserved the great reading. After proving you wrong numerous times and going in circles exactly like on this thread, you finally admitted what should have been indisputable from post #1 via a Personal Message. This is OK because we all make mistakes. However, afterwards, I looked for you to correct what you had been writing on the forum but unfortunately you didn?t. So you didn?t care that someone might be misguided by the wrong info that you provided and all you cared about was your ego. You are doing the same thing in this discussion.

                                  Yes, I did change my mind on code 19 after figuring out that it was all random, could not find any consistency, you pointed out some like flipping verses and did a lot of my own work looked into thoroughly was finding multiples everywhere which was the main reason I came back with Holiday, Pseudo, and Eid to dispel all that nonsense which you can easily search my user names and see that most of my posts were to refute the nineteen obsessed...

                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3466;sa=showPosts

                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3633;sa=showPosts

                                  What you do Ayman when proven wrong instead of repenting and make your mistakes right, you deny clear evidence, attack the messengers that brought you the contradicting news about your hot moon; you cannot let go of your ego which is the same that infected nineteen cult. You belittle people, build a straw man/woman call them ignorant, say they babbling, lying, etc., all one has to do is search your posts and you even stoop low as in the above PM example not telling truth what actually transpired.

                                  Tell people about your PM to me and what you requested about my work/posts in the 19 forum.

                                  On this hot moon topic you are more lost, obsessed, and illogical than those infected with fitna of 7431.

                                  Actually, perhaps the only appropriate emotion is crying. There is nothing to laugh or be happy about and I feel sorry that I had to post this. However, this is bigger than me or Eid. What if my children read the site? We should always correct our mistakes publicly in the same way that we give our opinion publicly. As we are now people of the book we bear a heavy burden to reveal it to people. The god has surrounded us all and at the end we can only be saved by his mercy. May the god help Eid, Farida, Guest, Q_Student and help us all for we were once like them.

                                  Hopefully you'll explain to your children why people don't fast who live in cloudy weather or the blind.

                                  Hopefully they'll see a picture of the globe that it is the same night in both Hemispheres and you won't call them ignorant or accuse them of babbling and lying when they ask you to explain why Qur'an was descended in a night not TWO Nights and TWO Ramadans.

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                                  1. Ha.-Mim
                                    2 By the manifest Book (this Qur'an) that makes things clear.
                                    3 That We descended it (this Qur'an) down on a blessed night, that We are ever warning.

                                  All best wishes to you and your children; may they grow up reading the Book, attain wisdom, and know the truth.

                                  Peace

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                                    Peace
                                    As we know it, time is relative, however The Quran was revealed to start with to communities in the middle east.
                                    So when it was descended on the ramadan full moon (Jerusalem time) to the Archangel Gabriel, who was instructed
                                    by Allah to reveal it and make it memorised in stages by Mohamed and his group of believers.
                                    This was a localised event, even if the Quran is meant for the whole of humanity.
                                    Now how could you explain fasting nearest to the North Pole where daylights can either be inexistent or last months?
                                    We will deal with these issues when we reach them, as the sectarians have already dealt with them with their own
                                    "ijtihad".
                                    For now, we need to accept that ramadan is a full moon, and it is the one after the summer equinox (which corresponds to the hot/scorching one) in the middle east where the Quran was revealed.

                                    Salaam
                                    Nabster

                                    and When you are ready to be tested say I Believe ...

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                                      Peace
                                      Wrong translation
                                      Correct translation is
                                      time is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and COUNTED

                                      You intentionally left the definition of Ma3dood by Maqayeesul lugha

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                                      3addo = Counting of anything .you say ,"I counted a thing /I will count so I am a "counter and the THING IS COUNTED.

                                      Moreovere it says

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                                      al-3adeed means MANY

                                      This is the definition of Ma3dood given by this dicitonary.
                                      Regards

                                      salaam brother

                                      found any example yet to count an ajal? thanks

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                                        I think the obvious thing to do would be for those who disagree with the "full moon of scorching heat" etc theory, is to write a clear and detailed rebuttal, as an article. Ideally, with an alternative.

                                        These things are not difficult to do, but it takes a special kind of person to do them. We shall see.

                                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                          Peace ayman,

                                          my 'understand/not understand/need clarification' lists

                                          (Note for the reader these are only things I understand/dont understand from Ayman's article - they dont necessarily represent my own position).

                                          First off, here are the things I understand

                                          • 'shahr Ramadan' = 'full moon of scorching heat'
                                          • this full moon appears after the summer solstice
                                          • the Quran was sent down during the night appearance of this full moon (laylatul qadr)
                                          • the year is solar we should count 12 full moons in each of them, hence the calendar is luni-solar
                                          • the crescents help us for the timing of the hajj, but also the fast, since it takes 10 days for the moon to go from its full moon phase into its crescent phase - the fasting and the hajj both take 10 days each.
                                          • as exaplained above, the fasting is for 'ayyaman madoodatin', which means 'few days'. As per a hint from 7142, one can conclude that fasting is for 10 days.
                                          • the count of the full moons in a year is 12. Although 13 might appear in some years, they shall not be counted, as per the command in 936.
                                          • the restricted full-moons are cleverly picked from Summer to Autumn, since this is when many female animals are pregnant, and to kill one of them would mean to kill their potential offspring.

                                          Things that I dont understand/need clarification for

                                          • PERF 558 (a link with the contents of this documents and it's validity would be good)
                                          • a clear and thorough exaplanation of why 1712 and 105 make tell us that the year is solar and that the calendar is to be luni-solar. Also, a good reason why we should count from solstice to solstice and the command thereof in the Quran. Why not from winter solstice to winter soltice, or from autumn equinox to the next, etc.? Why not count the days and have the lunar months are markers?

                                          I have noticed something very interesting from your article, which might seem insignificant at first, but with the right connection to the Bible, it has some significance

                                          The first full-moon of the restricted full-moons (the full moon of scorching heat/"ramadhan&quot is for abstinence while the remaining three full moons are for the debate. This gives people three opportunities per year to meet up for the "7ajj"/debate."

                                          (note for the reader ayman changed his definition of 'hajj' from 'debate' to 'feast&#039

                                          Connection to Exodus 2314 "Three times a year you shall keep/observe a 'hag' to Me.

                                          If there is anything that I have missed commenting about, then please let me know.

                                          I'm looking forward to your response,
                                          Peace

                                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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