Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace all,
I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.
This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread
As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.
Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).
bravo
No , i think The disbelievers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their circular silly arguments...the result are, the dis-believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of rep-lies (out of 1600 replies).
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Peace Belal,
I want to share with you some Facts about This Thread.
This thread started in 2004 by Ayman--5 years old thread
As of August 2008, one year ago, this thread had 5 pages of replies (92 replies) and 800 viewers.
Since last year, August 2008, until today, The believers decided to confront Ayman and started posting their arguments...the result are, the believers have attracted more than 30,000 viewers and generated 113 pages of replies (1600 replies).
bravoSo the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents. )
Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic
Name belH
Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PMName farida
Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
Last Active Today at 071926 PMName ayman
Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
Position Wise One / Burnout
Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PMFarida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list. )
Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems. )
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
So the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents. )
Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic
Name belH
Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PMName farida
Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
Last Active Today at 071926 PMName ayman
Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
Position Wise One / Burnout
Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PMFarida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list. )
Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems. )
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
Re-ouucchhhh !!!
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Peace Quickduck,
OUCH !!!
elektro rotfl brickwall yay '( O0 sunActually, perhaps the only appropriate emotion is crying. There is nothing to laugh or be happy about and I feel sorry that I had to post this. However, this is bigger than me or Eid. What if my children read the site? We should always correct our mistakes publicly in the same way that we give our opinion publicly. As we are now people of the book we bear a heavy burden to reveal it to people. The god has surrounded us all and at the end we can only be saved by his mercy. May the god help Eid, Farida, Guest, Q_Student and help us all for we were once like them.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
So the believers are posting a lot. Don't tell this to Farida or she will think all the believers are secret agents.
Since you mentioned statistics. Here is another revealing statistic
Name belH
Posts 1428 (2.746 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered April 06, 2008, 084852 PMName farida
Posts 1326 (2.018 per day)
Position Advanced Truth Seeker
Date Registered November 20, 2007, 113838 PM
Last Active Today at 071926 PMName ayman
Posts 2285 (0.933 per day)
Position Wise One / Burnout
Date Registered December 25, 2002, 073238 PMFarida is posting at more than double my rate of posting so I guess the Bearded Mullah Agency wasn't hit as hard by the recession as other dark agencies. You are posting at almost triple my rate so be careful because Farida's might suspect you to be a double agent and put you on her hit list.
Sorry for the off-topic but I couldn't hold my self from laughing loud and it came at a good time when I needed it after a tiring day. Thanks Farida and Belal for chearing me up with your gems.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
rotfl
This is between you and Frida...I'm out of it.
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Peace Quickduck,
Actually, perhaps the only appropriate emotion is crying. There is nothing to laugh or be happy about and I feel sorry that I had to post this. However, this is bigger than me or Eid. What if my children read the site? We should always correct our mistakes publicly in the same way that we give our opinion publicly. As we are now people of the book we bear a heavy burden to reveal it to people. The god has surrounded us all and at the end we can only be saved by his mercy. May the god help Eid, Farida, Guest, Q_Student and help us all for we were once like them.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
sorry i had to laugh my head off, but sincerly, the one thing i'm afraid of, is that if any genuine truthseeker came by this site and reads this thread, he will be lost , because af the huge amount of idiocy babbled and babbled again, by .....they would recognize themselves.
You act like old loving caring brother with them, and they treat back as secret agent willing to destruct islam, starting from the sahaba, then
muhammad and finishing with Quran . What kind of feedback/reward is this ??
I, like nabil, don't agree with you on all your explanations, maybe because you're wrong or because i didn't give enough time to read, search and analyse. But as far as this Ramadan issue, it seemed so clear and so logic from Page 1, except some doubting details. those doubts vanished 5 pages later. so i am very disappointed to see that this thread is now 113 pages.
I am pretty sure that they are not that stupid, but they do this circular arguing DELIBERATLY so this thread could loose credibility.
some of them even logged with different usernames to fake a huge confrontation against your ideas. to me it's really a kind of conspiracy.
It's sad, but i'm afraid very few new visitors would dare read through all those over a thousand rep-lies, and turn back,(except those whom GOD helps)."wa man adhlamu min man iftaraa 3ala allahi al-kadeb" ?
Peace
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Peace Ayman,
sorry i had to laugh my head off, but sincerly, the one thing i'm afraid of, is that if any genuine truthseeker came by this site and reads this thread, he will be lost , because af the huge amount of idiocy babbled and babbled again, by .....they would recognize themselves.
You act like old loving caring brother with them, and they treat back as secret agent willing to destruct islam, starting from the sahaba, then
muhammad and finishing with Quran . What kind of feedback/reward is this ??
I, like nabil, don't agree with you on all your explanations, maybe because you're wrong or because i didn't give enough time to read, search and analyse. But as far as this Ramadan issue, it seemed so clear and so logic from Page 1, except some doubting details. those doubts vanished 5 pages later. so i am very disappointed to see that this thread is now 113 pages.
I am pretty sure that they are not that stupid, but they do this circular arguing DELIBERATLY so this thread could loose credibility.
some of them even logged with different usernames to fake a huge confrontation against your ideas. to me it's really a kind of conspiracy.
It's sad, but i'm afraid very few new visitors would dare read through all those over a thousand rep-lies, and turn back,(except those whom GOD helps)."wa man adhlamu min man iftaraa 3ala allahi al-kadeb" ?
Peace
Peace
Your post is no surprise .It is very old theme.Regards
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Peace Ayman,
sorry i had to laugh my head off, but sincerly, the one thing i'm afraid of, is that if any genuine truthseeker came by this site and reads this thread, he will be lost , because af the huge amount of idiocy babbled and babbled again, by .....they would recognize themselves.
You act like old loving caring brother with them, and they treat back as secret agent willing to destruct islam, starting from the sahaba, then
muhammad and finishing with Quran . What kind of feedback/reward is this ??
I, like nabil, don't agree with you on all your explanations, maybe because you're wrong or because i didn't give enough time to read, search and analyse. But as far as this Ramadan issue, it seemed so clear and so logic from Page 1, except some doubting details. those doubts vanished 5 pages later. so i am very disappointed to see that this thread is now 113 pages.
I am pretty sure that they are not that stupid, but they do this circular arguing DELIBERATLY so this thread could loose credibility.
some of them even logged with different usernames to fake a huge confrontation against your ideas. to me it's really a kind of conspiracy.
It's sad, but i'm afraid very few new visitors would dare read through all those over a thousand rep-lies, and turn back,(except those whom GOD helps)."wa man adhlamu min man iftaraa 3ala allahi al-kadeb" ?
Peace
hypno
Gregory XIII, 1502?85, pope (1572?85) had introduced Ayman's theory before 500 years ago...why do not you gave the Pope the credit? or your blind love for Ayman made you unjust. yes
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Peace Ayman,
You seem to have tunnel vision where you are focusing on something irrelevant that I never said (July 1 and forgetting the big picture. This was the same exact attitude that you had when you were promoting a Code 19 miracle sometime ago that supposedly preserved the great reading. After proving you wrong numerous times and going in circles exactly like on this thread, you finally admitted what should have been indisputable from post #1 via a Personal Message. This is OK because we all make mistakes. However, afterwards, I looked for you to correct what you had been writing on the forum but unfortunately you didn?t. So you didn?t care that someone might be misguided by the wrong info that you provided and all you cared about was your ego. You are doing the same thing in this discussion.
Yes, I did change my mind on code 19 after figuring out that it was all random, could not find any consistency, you pointed out some like flipping verses and did a lot of my own work looked into thoroughly was finding multiples everywhere which was the main reason I came back with Holiday, Pseudo, and Eid to dispel all that nonsense which you can easily search my user names and see that most of my posts were to refute the nineteen obsessed...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3466;sa=showPosts
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3633;sa=showPosts
What you do Ayman when proven wrong instead of repenting and make your mistakes right, you deny clear evidence, attack the messengers that brought you the contradicting news about your hot moon; you cannot let go of your ego which is the same that infected nineteen cult. You belittle people, build a straw man/woman call them ignorant, say they babbling, lying, etc., all one has to do is search your posts and you even stoop low as in the above PM example not telling truth what actually transpired.
Tell people about your PM to me and what you requested about my work/posts in the 19 forum.
On this hot moon topic you are more lost, obsessed, and illogical than those infected with fitna of 7431.
Actually, perhaps the only appropriate emotion is crying. There is nothing to laugh or be happy about and I feel sorry that I had to post this. However, this is bigger than me or Eid. What if my children read the site? We should always correct our mistakes publicly in the same way that we give our opinion publicly. As we are now people of the book we bear a heavy burden to reveal it to people. The god has surrounded us all and at the end we can only be saved by his mercy. May the god help Eid, Farida, Guest, Q_Student and help us all for we were once like them.
Hopefully you'll explain to your children why people don't fast who live in cloudy weather or the blind.
Hopefully they'll see a picture of the globe that it is the same night in both Hemispheres and you won't call them ignorant or accuse them of babbling and lying when they ask you to explain why Qur'an was descended in a night not TWO Nights and TWO Ramadans.
http//i25.tinypic.com/2im6s6h.jpg
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrT9A_MLA0&
- Ha.-Mim
2 By the manifest Book (this Qur'an) that makes things clear.
3 That We descended it (this Qur'an) down on a blessed night, that We are ever warning.
All best wishes to you and your children; may they grow up reading the Book, attain wisdom, and know the truth.
Peace
- Ha.-Mim
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Peace
As we know it, time is relative, however The Quran was revealed to start with to communities in the middle east.
So when it was descended on the ramadan full moon (Jerusalem time) to the Archangel Gabriel, who was instructed
by Allah to reveal it and make it memorised in stages by Mohamed and his group of believers.
This was a localised event, even if the Quran is meant for the whole of humanity.
Now how could you explain fasting nearest to the North Pole where daylights can either be inexistent or last months?
We will deal with these issues when we reach them, as the sectarians have already dealt with them with their own
"ijtihad".
For now, we need to accept that ramadan is a full moon, and it is the one after the summer equinox (which corresponds to the hot/scorching one) in the middle east where the Quran was revealed.Salaam
Nabsterand When you are ready to be tested say I Believe ...
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Peace
Wrong translation
Correct translation is
time is called "3iddan" because every time/period is limited and COUNTEDYou intentionally left the definition of Ma3dood by Maqayeesul lugha
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3addo = Counting of anything .you say ,"I counted a thing /I will count so I am a "counter and the THING IS COUNTED.
Moreovere it says
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al-3adeed means MANY
This is the definition of Ma3dood given by this dicitonary.
Regardssalaam brother
found any example yet to count an ajal? thanks
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I think the obvious thing to do would be for those who disagree with the "full moon of scorching heat" etc theory, is to write a clear and detailed rebuttal, as an article. Ideally, with an alternative.
These things are not difficult to do, but it takes a special kind of person to do them. We shall see.
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Peace ayman,
my 'understand/not understand/need clarification' lists
(Note for the reader these are only things I understand/dont understand from Ayman's article - they dont necessarily represent my own position).
First off, here are the things I understand
- 'shahr Ramadan' = 'full moon of scorching heat'
- this full moon appears after the summer solstice
- the Quran was sent down during the night appearance of this full moon (laylatul qadr)
- the year is solar we should count 12 full moons in each of them, hence the calendar is luni-solar
- the crescents help us for the timing of the hajj, but also the fast, since it takes 10 days for the moon to go from its full moon phase into its crescent phase - the fasting and the hajj both take 10 days each.
- as exaplained above, the fasting is for 'ayyaman madoodatin', which means 'few days'. As per a hint from 7142, one can conclude that fasting is for 10 days.
- the count of the full moons in a year is 12. Although 13 might appear in some years, they shall not be counted, as per the command in 936.
- the restricted full-moons are cleverly picked from Summer to Autumn, since this is when many female animals are pregnant, and to kill one of them would mean to kill their potential offspring.
Things that I dont understand/need clarification for
- PERF 558 (a link with the contents of this documents and it's validity would be good)
- a clear and thorough exaplanation of why 1712 and 105 make tell us that the year is solar and that the calendar is to be luni-solar. Also, a good reason why we should count from solstice to solstice and the command thereof in the Quran. Why not from winter solstice to winter soltice, or from autumn equinox to the next, etc.? Why not count the days and have the lunar months are markers?
I have noticed something very interesting from your article, which might seem insignificant at first, but with the right connection to the Bible, it has some significance
The first full-moon of the restricted full-moons (the full moon of scorching heat/"ramadhan" is for abstinence while the remaining three full moons are for the debate. This gives people three opportunities per year to meet up for the "7ajj"/debate."
(note for the reader ayman changed his definition of 'hajj' from 'debate' to 'feast'
Connection to Exodus 2314 "Three times a year you shall keep/observe a 'hag' to Me.
If there is anything that I have missed commenting about, then please let me know.
I'm looking forward to your response,
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Peace belH
this one is easy, let the cheerleader captain answer No we count 12 full moons/not months between 2 summer solstices. And eventually skip counting the 13th full moon/not months to keep in sync with seasons.
i don't agree , look for any arabic text with the word "ma3doodaat" in it. then ask any arabic speaker to tell you how many does "ma3doodat" in that context means.
if i tell you that your days are COUNTED/ma3doodat, it means that there's something you should worry about.Congratulations...The above ENGLISH Words in your post are the TRUE Translation of the Arabic sentence above.
bravo
brickwall why arguing otherwise...Apparently you Agree to the Meaning of Maddodat to be COUNTED.
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Although "Babylon" is not a dictioary to search for classical meanings, but the result search for " " is "A few days", because it's still the used meaning. Try it for yourself on tis link
http//translation.babylon.com/Arabic/to-English/
Samia, I copied the following arabic words
Then I paste them in your above link to translate. The following are the results
"Your age days are numbered"
Not only me who thinks that Maddodat = Numbered and not FEW nor 3 to 10.
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Peace Ayman,
I really liked your article and think it is the best example of how to observe abstinence as prescribed by the Qur'an that I have heard so far.
From what I understand, if it says to abstain two 'shahr', we would abstain from the first full moon and end on the next full moon. The only question I have is that if shahr = full moon, why does the Qur'an mention the word consecutive to describe the two full moons in 492 and 584. If the word consecutive wasn't there, we would get the same meaning.
If shahr = month, then the word consecutive would make a difference because it is possible to fast two months that aren't consecutive. I don't see any way you can fast two full moons that aren't consecutive. I am just wondering because it is hard for me to accept that the word contribute to the meaning of these verses.
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Peace all,
When comparing two things, both should have the same attributes.
Now, God is comparing the Night of Decree against 1000 Shahar
973 The Night of Decree is better than one thousand Shahar.
973Thus, if the Night is a period of time, then the Shahar has to be a measurable Period of Time and NOT A Beautiful Image.
Therefore, Shahar CANNOT BE a FULL MOON Image but a MONTH.Peace
